So I guess ICs are "S Tier" now :) / :( ?

[r3d d09]

Time for catching up.

r3d d09 wants me to start playing brawl again, so i'm going to

awe see, i do have an impact on people

Hmmm Dont give up Im finally getting back into myself.. Ive been playing so much the last week but there are so few Ice climber players out there we need you

I thought I'd never see this person post. and I totally agree with this post. we need to stick in number. we are like a family. . . we get in arguments, but we get over it

I would really like to play Melee again, but my disk I've had for like 7 years just stopped working recently. x.x

But uhh...if you get good at Brawl ICs, people here will most likely listen to you. xD

Last part is so true. people frown upon IC's but respect players that take the time to be good with them. *this is what i've noticed anyways*

I feel like this board is in a marriage counseling process. xD

... hylian and Nya = Pa and Ma? haha.

I'm beating m2k this weekend.

3 stock him in the face, maybe somehow he will get some pigment on that white face of his. ha

Okay, I'm gonna say something nice about everyone I can remember off the top of my head:


Bunny- You ****ing suck. Leave.

nah, you're too hard on yourself at times, be happy :D

Hylian- You know lots of stuff and it's helpful. :3

You're my the mother of my baby O.o

lain- You too good! <3

I wish i was Asian, then maybe i could play IC's as good as you.

meep- Your taste in avatars is almost as good as mine. Almost.

Your playing style is epic

Teh Future- I don't hate you. :3 <3

You're my future

FrozenPopo: You are sarcastic and it makes me smile. Sometimes.

Change your name to freezepop and your status will be the highest on SWF. . . anyone know freezepop? :D

red dog- You are very determined.

aka, I suck for how much time i put into IC's. ha

e_alert- You do lots of helpful research stuff. :3

E_A deserves the determined title.

Fly- You are cool beans (mushrooms...?) in my book. Come here more. D:< And play Brawl more. D:<

I went to the Melee IC boards for a reason, now come back :D

Prawn- You funny.

District 9 is one of my favorite movies. if the result of having sex with you would turn me into a prawn... i'd take the offering

swordgard- You're uhh...confident. @.@;

We got in a dispute when i first joined the boards. . . it made me laugh

That's all I can remember right now.

read under the names

What kind of mod doesn't regulate an argument in a matchup thread? xD

That argument was gonna be going on for a while.

No comment. no need for discussion on what happened

We need more people to teach us stuff.

I 2nd this.

lol my taste in avatars is better than u bunny ;(

lain remember everything i told you about the mk match up. Theres absolutely no way mk can beat you if he camps with my method unless if totally outplays you on the ground which is hard as hell.

You should share everything with us that you tell Lain :D

frozenpoop dont do it bro...



Actually, I'd like to see that anyway. Do it.

what a mod

r3d d0g:
you have to be the biggest lurker i've ever seen. i mean, what kind of a person spends their time on a dead board for a game that needs to be played with outer people. thats like buying a disk to play virtual golf with a keyboard; its about as far away from being a human as you can possibly get and still be aware enough to be made fun of. fish in a barrel, dude.


let the good times roll!

Don't bring Tiger Woods into this. Yeah, you caught me, i am the biggest lurker...ever. and i don't know anything about IC's actually. I just post theory to make myself sound smart. plus I actually am an over weight,bug eyed, pig nosed, gimp that should learn life. * insert negative remark here*


all the above is false

, speaking of lurker... what happened to Chok?

Well that was pretty funny. Now I can sleep tonight.

... you never sleep... why are you telling such lies. ha




AMERICA

 

[Snipa4800]

I can't 0-Death ZSS consistently anymore X_x;;.
Anyone else have trouble with her?

 

[lain]

She's really skinny so she's really hot! sorta hard to cg 'cause of that. Just imagine it's MK or something. @_@

these boards sure are getting weird...

 

[Prawn]

FrozenPoop:
you are the biggest *** hole i have ever met. seriously, you go out of your way to instigate arguments and make people feel bad. everything about you infuriates me. my advice is get laid or get out.

Bunny:
it doesn't matter what you do, or how well you play the game, you're still a girl. oh, and you have bad taste in avatars

Hylian:
i can understand that most people consider you one of the top IC players, but honestly, after watching your ids i just can't see it. you make simple mistakes that most middle level IC mains wouldn't do, you repeatedly use tactics that don't work and then you wonder why nobody respects your input. you can know everything there is to know about how a character works, but if you can't use that knowledge in a real match then you might as well just shut up and get back in the kitchen.

meepxzero:
while you may be a good player, your attitude to most everything is really pompous and thoroughly unhelpful to the rest of us IC mains. you may understand a lot about the character, but if you don't contribute to the the community discussions (pivot grab everything isn't contributing, btw) then you're just a figure head that doesn't really help in any way.

Fly_Amanita:
if you don't want to play brawl then don't. its that simple. don't be pressured into returning to a game because people want you to. if you enjoy melee more than brawl then play that. why would you ever let yourself be forced to play a game? its just stupid.

lain:
you are conceited, elitist, and force your opinions on others. you can get away with this, however, due to your placement in tourneys/how well you play the character. your problem is similar to meep's: you don't contribute. making a one sentence post every once in a while that might be related to something tactical doesn't help us that much. you know a lot about the character but you don't share it with the rest of us.

Swordgard:
canada sucks, but with this last series of arguments thats sprouted up i've found myself agreeing with you… i liked it better when i just thought you were a **** and left it at that.

r3d d0g:
you have to be the biggest lurker i've ever seen. i mean, what kind of a person spends their time on a dead board for a game that needs to be played with outer people. thats like buying a disk to play virtual golf with a keyboard; its about as far away from being a human as you can possibly get and still be aware enough to be made fun of. fish in a barrel, dude.

TigerWoods:
your name is the most unoriginal thing i've heard since 'Metal Sonic'. On top of this, you've done nothing to make yourself stand out in any way to compensate for your horribly bland name. Yes, you're still here, but what have you actually done? i honestly forgot about you till a few pages ago when i saw you had posted something and i had to remind myself of who you were.



let the good times roll!

I winnnnnn for not being in the post

 

[JustNoOne]

0.0

Yeah the IC boards are getting so weird 0.0

Btw Canada does not suck... Tell em Swordgard.

 

[IxxI]

What's a Canada?

 

[meepxzero]

ice climber mains are so emo.

 

[FrozenHobo]

ice climber mains are so emo.

 

[IxxI]

I want to kill myself.

 

[swordgard]

0.0

Yeah the IC boards are getting so weird 0.0

Btw Canada does not suck... Tell em Swordgard.

/tells em

Seriously though, our scene is good enough, its kinda weird. Our scene is small compared to most, but has a high % of very good players.

Frozenpopo quote
Swordgard:
canada sucks, but with this last series of arguments thats sprouted up i've found myself agreeing with you… i liked it better when i just thought you were a **** and left it at that.

I make statements which look outrageous but are often true so yeah, at first people are like who is this guy, but then they realize XD. And then youd rather never have learned what you did.

 

[momochuu]

I have a hard time CGing ZSS, Falco/Fox, and Zelda. >_< Humanshape small characters are weird.

 

[swordgard]

I have a hard time CGing ZSS, Falco/Fox, and Zelda. >_< Humanshape small characters are weird.

Practice, practice, practice.


Its all about shape/weight, which is why we should include the weight in each matchup discussion to get more precise at cging.

 

[Prawn]

Falco/Fox.

GAHHHHH I hate them so much

 

[Snipa4800]

She's really skinny so she's really hot! sorta hard to cg 'cause of that. Just imagine it's MK or something. @_@

It almost feels like mk , except the bthrow won't work if your spaced even a little from nana.
Im going to keep losing to Nick Riddle if I don't get this down. ._.

 

[meepxzero]

ZZS bthrow timing is a little slower than jiggs and faster than mk when u buffer the timing.

 

[choknater]

i have a hard time cging no one

 

[r3d d09]

0.0

Yeah the IC boards are getting so weird 0.0

Btw Canada does not suck... Tell em Swordgard.

lol JNO, i confused you with a SNO this week. how awkward xD

What's a Canada?

stop making up words. what kind of word is canada anyways

ice climber mains are so emo.

lul

I want to kill myself.

you should SPRING yourself into a FENSE

I have a hard time CGing ZSS, Falco/Fox, and Zelda. >_< Humanshape small characters are weird.

i agree with this oddly enough :/

Practice, practice, practice.


Its all about shape/weight, which is why we should include the weight in each matchup discussion to get more precise at cging.

Couldn't agree more on this. that's why i asked KB to make a list of specific timings for character throws if that makes sense.

i feel like m2k's weight class doesn't satisfy any of the IC's. so having a list that is specific for IC grabs would be more accurate. weight class dependant. lights, mids, heavies.

I think it would be a good idea to get a write up of what who you need to grab the fastest then gradually get down to the slowest *for Bthrow*

so something like:
MK
*insert name*
*insert name*
*insert name*
*insert name*
*insert name*
Bowser

understand?

so we know atleast two character grab speeds well, then we can know that we either need to be faster, or slower.

I'm out of it right now, so this post probably doesn't make any sense. if there needs to be some clarification. let me know and i will get on it when i'm in the right state of mind.

i have a hard time cging no one

where have you been? ha

 

[momochuu]

I seriously thought I was the only one that thought MK had his own weight class. With lightweights it's like:

MK
Jiggs
Kirby, Pikachu, Olimar, Game and Watch, Squirtle

 

[choknater]

where have you been? ha

i gave up my computer for a week

 

[Funen1]

To r3d d09, if you want a reference for character weights/fall speeds:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=162546

I think I mentioned weights a few times in recent matchup discussions. And is there a B-throw/D-throw speed list somewhere? I thought I saw one already, though I could be wrong.

 

[r3d d09]

I seriously thought I was the only one that thought MK had his own weight class. With lightweights it's like:

MK
Jiggs
Kirby, Pikachu, Olimar, Game and Watch, Squirtle

i'm with you on MK having his own class. Since i've been told it's more strict. i thought it'd be better to learn him for lights than others. like F throw. grab frame is the same on everyone, but some have a bigger grab box than others, so it's better to learn the more strict box characters if you get what i'm saying.
when i try and use the same timing on kirbz, it's not the same weight. i miss the grab. so i believe that mk, and selected others have their own timing.

To r3d d09, if you want a reference for character weights/fall speeds:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=162546

I think I mentioned weights a few times in recent matchup discussions. And is there a B-throw/D-throw speed list somewhere? I thought I saw one already, though I could be wrong.

You have mentioned weights in a few, but i like swordgards match up pdf file because it lists relevant weights.

but i want a list specific for IC grabbing. as in timing in comparison to others. Comprendeeehhhh?

 

[Funen1]

i'm with you on MK having his own class. Since i've been told it's more strict. i thought it'd be better to learn him for lights than others. like F throw. grab frame is the same on everyone, but some have a bigger grab box than others, so it's better to learn the more strict box characters if you get what i'm saying.
when i try and use the same timing on kirbz, it's not the same weight. i miss the grab. so i believe that mk, and selected others have their own timing.




You have mentioned weights in a few, but i like swordgards match up pdf file because it lists relevant weights.

but i want a list specific for IC grabbing. as in timing in comparison to others. Comprendeeehhhh?

Aha. Well, as for CG "classes", we'd need to specify how to define them. Weights, as we all know, alter the speed of Back and Down throws. But certain characters, like MK, seem to defy initial projections on B-throwing difficulty, even if two or more characters share the same weight.

I think I can explain this, however. It has more to do with the character's movement upon being launched, which isn't really as simple as it seems (in other words, weight and fall speed aren't very important). Characters launch at different angles compared to some reference point (say, Popo's right shoulder), which I believe is related to where the Ice Climbers are actually holding the victim (their head vs. their torso, for instance). Because such angles are lower for some characters, like Pikachu and Olimar, they are kept withing the IC's grab range for a bit longer, making them a bit easier to alt. B-throw. Of course, my knowledge of characters' "grabbed" animations is limited at the moment, so if someone else knows more, feel free to speak up.

 

[r3d d09]

Funen, i think you basically wrote down what was going on in my head.

all of us have a few characters that we have a difficult time CGing over others. and if we do something like this. it will help us perfect our grab game. I know it would help me.

-ps i never said it would be simple/easy haha.

 

[Funen1]

We all have trouble with certain characters, no doubt. I guess my goal was to explain why they are harder, which would certainly help out those who haven't perfected their grab game yet.

 

[meepxzero]

I think its a mental thing lol mk doesnt have his own weight class. Every character in brawl has a little variation to their cging timing but the window to get the timing is almost the same.

The only weird ones are the midweight timings. They progressively get stricter the higher the percentage (diddy, luigi, lucario, sonic, and etc) NO matter how good you are u will never get it a 100% of the time.

 

[Teh Future]

Meep I dont see how brinstar would be better than RC.... at all. Its tornado central which is ICs biggest problem with MK to begin with plus its way harder to punish platform camping than any other stage with platforms.

 

[swordgard]

i'm with you on MK having his own class. Since i've been told it's more strict. i thought it'd be better to learn him for lights than others. like F throw. grab frame is the same on everyone, but some have a bigger grab box than others, so it's better to learn the more strict box characters if you get what i'm saying.
when i try and use the same timing on kirbz, it's not the same weight. i miss the grab. so i believe that mk, and selected others have their own timing.




You have mentioned weights in a few, but i like swordgards match up pdf file because it lists relevant weights.

but i want a list specific for IC grabbing. as in timing in comparison to others. Comprendeeehhhh?

My pdf actually comes from that ones thread with weights, and weight is what determine the amount of frames on d and b throw, heavier meaning more frames before the throw. I just give relative weights for quick access, but it is not only the actual weight but shows the timing.

 

[Teh Future]

omg new AT. something new to incororate vs Wario other than spamming pivot grab the entire time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_STH2l0yufU&feature=channel_page#t=1m20s

lol

 

[meepxzero]

Meep I dont see how brinstar would be better than RC.... at all. Its tornado central which is ICs biggest problem with MK to begin with plus its way harder to punish platform camping than any other stage with platforms.

high level mks make the most out of the one area were most vunerable in. If ur playing a mediocre mk its fine to go to RC, but expect to lose a stock if ur not careful when ur going up on anyone really good.

I havent tried brinstar much but it doesnt seem THATTT baad. its just hard to move around on the ground.

 

[swordgard]

high level mks make the most out of the one area were most vunerable in. If ur playing a mediocre mk its fine to go to RC, but expect to lose a stock if ur not careful when ur going up on anyone really good.

I havent tried brinstar much but it doesnt seem THATTT baad. its just hard to move around on the ground.

I think we need to make some documentation on the stage, but your right. The problem on RC is they can stall until the part where you are most vulnerable.



Things we need to learn on the stage: How to use the weird hitbox changes to the best of our abilities, how to control the stage movement using those blocks and to make it optimal, char specific techs and so on.

 

[Prawn]

omg new AT. something new to incororate vs Wario other than spamming pivot grab the entire time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_STH2l0yufU&feature=channel_page#t=1m20s

lol

Dude that is the funniest thing I think I've ever seen lol

 

[r3d d09]

I think its a mental thing lol mk doesnt have his own weight class. Every character in brawl has a little variation to their cging timing but the window to get the timing is almost the same.

The only weird ones are the midweight timings. They progressively get stricter the higher the percentage (diddy, luigi, lucario, sonic, and etc) NO matter how good you are u will never get it a 100% of the time.

what i was saying before still applies. when stuff becomes more strict. I don't now how to phrase this properly, but here it goes >.>

since the grab becomes more strict at higher percentages, we should just get use to the strict timings so it's easier when it's not "that" strict.

how i was talking about f throws. Learn to grab on that 25th frame and move the right amount that it will apply with all the characters possible. making it easier due to muscle memory.

even though we can have different muscle memory for higher percentage, different characters.. why not just make it the same or as close as possible with minimal variations?

^ ^ poorly written ;\ but you get the sum of it.

 

[swordgard]

what i was saying before still applies. when stuff becomes more strict. I don't now how to phrase this properly, but here it goes >.>

since the grab becomes more strict at higher percentages, we should just get use to the strict timings so it's easier when it's not "that" strict.

how i was talking about f throws. Learn to grab on that 25th frame and move the right amount that it will apply with all the characters possible. making it easier due to muscle memory.

even though we can have different muscle memory for higher percentage, different characters.. why not just make it the same or as close as possible with minimal variations?

^ ^ poorly written ;\ but you get the sum of it.

Actually, i have develloped some variation of my throws which are "Self correcting", what i mean is that when i miss it i often get a 2nd chance of grabbing before hitstun wears off .

 

[lain]

I'd rather take Rainbow over Brinstar. I think if played right you can do better on Rainbow cruise.

Brinstar is just ********. Lava comes up to ruin cg's or forces you into a bad position, some of the ground is uneven so you can't cg there, and it's generally harder to deal with things.

The laval is the one thing that immediately sets me off of this stage for IC's. Ok lava is coming, I have to go to top plat with MK....

 

[momochuu]

Not a fan of RC or Brinstar. At all. I hate dumb stages.

I keep trying to Blizzard wall with Melee ICs. >_<

 

[Fly_Amanita]

Melee ICs are extremely different from Brawl ICs.

 

[momochuu]

Yeah, seriously. I randomly play Melee with people sometimes, and now I'm trying to do Brawl stuff. At least my Jiggs is okay.

 

[JustNoOne]

Brinstar >.> WTF? It's so dumb =.= Rainbow Cruise pl0x. :/


Also Melee ICs gets murked by like... CF and Fox... basically anyone that can seperate Nana really quickly. It's just nice now they die sometimes 0.0

 

[Lovely]

Samus use to be my only main on every Smash Brothers game, but after I gave in to the competitive scenes, I knew I had to main someone else besides one main. I never knew how to play Ice Climber back then. ^_^;

 

[JustNoOne]

Best freakin' thread on SWF. Sweeeeeeeeeeeettt.

I find Samus to be a awesome character... I just don't like the games >.> I see runs of it on YouTube... looks 0.0