Snake in B-

[Squall of fame]

Make his C4 the strength the same range and power as a electrode. C4 Electrode FTW!

 

[Yumewomiteru]

Make his C4 the strength the same range and power as a electrode. C4 Electrode FTW!

This, and make it faster too.

 

[llamapaste]

Also, besides other's thoughts, make his up-b have super armor for the duration of the cypher. Also make sure he can't get grabbed out of it.

 

[etecoon]

if you attempt to cypher grab snake you should explode

 

[smashkng]

Increase the start-up speed of fair to around 17 frames. IMO 23 frames start-up is too slow. Of course, reduce his landing lag aerials as well.

 

[6Mizu]

VidS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVNhjHpHS9c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jALLGSHjGpI

Just watch them!

 

[Mister Cadaver]

snake should be able to glide

and his glide attack should be utilt.

Lol, at this idea. I like it.

 

[Sinz]

VidS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVNhjHpHS9c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jALLGSHjGpI

Just watch them!

Holy ****. Snake has a ton of lag. =/ Getting punished for Ftilting your opponents shield by a laggy move(wario's ftilt). wtf?

Snake just seems really slow and looks like he can't punish opponents in B- :/

Maybe it was just the Snake being a bad player. But, Snake in B- looks worse than regular Snake(because of the lagggggg)

 

[Berserker.]

Reduce the lag then he'll be more broken than anyone

 

[llamapaste]

Wario is so broken in B-

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

That's not my pac. I can tell.

Too. Much. Hitlag.

Anyway, I'll try to get a DL up of my latest version whenever I can. Until then , here's a changelist of what'll be in the pac.

Jab 1 and 2 sped up by 1.5
Fsmash given 3 explosion waves horizontal
Nair and Dair sped up to 1.5
Bair AC window inserted earlier
Fair can now grab ledges during windup
Uthrow retooled to almost guaranteed lead to a utilt
Grenade Summon - When Snake presses B when there are 2 grenades out, he will teleport the newer grenade back to his hand. This does not alter the timer.
Cypher distance given improved vertical momentum when fast falling
Cypher given more knockback
C4 power level back to normal

I'm currently experimenting on how to improve the cypher's vertical distance without sacrificing horizontal momentum and control.

I found a parameter, but it made the Cypher go too high, like off the top in less than 1 second.

 

[Sinz]

Did you already have the triple mortar thing?
That all looks really good. =D

 

[6Mizu]

Did you already have the triple mortar thing?
That all looks really good. =D

Yea, that's cool.
I think his F-tilt should do 25% lol. (no one get any idea about going over board with this idea).

 

[Toneh]

VidS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVNhjHpHS9c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jALLGSHjGpI

Just watch them!

3 mortars LOL! and triple f-smash

That hitlag thing is weird, makes him worse

 

[smashkng]

Make Nikita's start-up, movement and IASA after canceling be MUCH faster, and all hitboxes of it, even when canceling, hit like the strong hit (14% one). And hitting the Nikita still makes it turn around, but if they touch the Nikita with any of their hurtbox, they'll still get hit (by the strong hitbox).

 

[Zajice]

My favorite thing about B- Snake is the sensor bombs he pulls out when 2 nades are already on the field.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Make him immune to his own explosives.

 

[smashkng]

Not from his C4. He needs it to keep his C4 recovery.

 

[Berserker.]

Make him heavier than Bowser -

 

[Yumewomiteru]

Snake seem too underwhelming so far. I say increase the range of his tilts and aerials.

 

[Berserker.]

Make his nades have a VERY HUGE (As huge as bowser) hitbox

 

[smashkng]

Make him heavier than Bowser -

Such weight is not neccessary for a thin human.

 

[Berserker.]

Thin? Snake's has muscles.

Plus, at least it makes him more broken

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Make him immune to his own explosives.

I'm not sure this is possible on Grenades currently, but maybe he can be made immune to his mines. I'll try to do so in the next update

Make Nikita's start-up, movement and IASA after canceling be MUCH faster, and all hitboxes of it, even when canceling, hit like the strong hit (14% one). And hitting the Nikita still makes it turn around, but if they touch the Nikita with any of their hurtbox, they'll still get hit (by the strong hitbox).

Startup and canceling are much faster in my update.
Both the soft and strong hitboxes do a bit more knockback.

An updated pac is right here.
http://www.mediafire.com/?mldnjn4z2im

Cypher grabbers be ****ed.

 

[Corrupted]

Make his tilts mad disjointed, powerfull AND fast that would be really cool...


oh wait

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Allow him to keep his jumps after cyphering, and make it so if you hit someone with the cypher it gives a powerful, upward knockback hit.

If you want, you can make him immune to his own C4 and give him 2 cyphers in the air to compensate. That'd be interesting.

 

[6Mizu]

Allow him to keep his jumps after cyphering, and make it so if you hit someone with the cypher it gives a powerful, upward knockback hit.

If you want, you can make him immune to his own C4 and give him 2 cyphers in the air to compensate. That'd be interesting.

^ I really like this!
Can he have this?

 

[Turazrok]

Such weight is not neccessary for a thin human.

He carries an unlimited supply of missiles, grenades, and plastic explosives. He shouldn't be able to stand up if that's the case.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Know what would be hilarious? Make his Dair fast (so it combos) and have the 4th hit spike in the air.

 

[6Mizu]

Know what would be hilarious? Make his Dair fast (so it combos) and have the 4th hit spike in the air.

How about making all hits of his D-air connect?

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Know what would be hilarious? Make his Dair fast (so it combos) and have the 4th hit spike in the air.

That can be arranged. It's already 1.5 times the normal speed, and I can easily make the last hit spike.

The test to make him immune to his mines worked. I also managed to keep the SE.

What I want to do is to make the missle itself move faster in the air.

Can't seem to find the animation in FitSnake, and FitSnakeMotionEtc.pac. It's probably in another file.

 

[Mister Cadaver]

Eh, I agree with Panda on the grenades not harming you. >_>

 

[6Mizu]

Know what would be hilarious? Make his Dair fast (so it combos) and have the 4th hit spike in the air.

How about making all hits of his D-air connect?

Can we do both of these?

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Yes and Yes.

 

[smashkng]

I think dair keeping with it super-strong knockback on last hit is better than making it spike.

 

[Limeee]

have box have utilt power and bounce for 10 seconds

 

[6Mizu]

Know what would be hilarious? Make his Dair fast (so it combos) and have the 4th hit spike in the air.

How about making all hits of his D-air connect?

Can we do both of these?

Yes and Yes.

EY could you talk to the Brawl - people about adding this?

 

[Berserker.]

jujtsutid, you post much more now these days O_O

Another thing, make n-air impossible to DI, SDI or whatever DI.

 

[Superspright]

The spike would be epic on dair. BOOM--BOOM--BOOM--SPIKE! He'll have Ganon status.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

OK. An update.

http://www.mediafire.com/?43dnwzmnmtw

I did something very strange here.
Dair links and the last hit spikes, Melee Marth Dair tipper style.

Anyway, If Snake trips, anyone who is near his body when he shakes the ground will trip themselves. Also if he rolls from the edge or from tripping, they will get hit by his frame and most likely trip.