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Smoke breaks, addictions and working in the 1950's/2010's

Browny

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So I’ve always had a massive bias against smokers. If someone wants to speed along the death process and waste countless dollars while doing it, they can go right ahead. I’d prefer it if it wasn’t members of my immediate family (2 grandparents, one had a stroke and one died from smoking related illnesses) though. But what annoys me off the most is why ‘smoke breaks’ are legal in workplaces. I’ve only been working full time for a few days now but I’ve seen enough already to verify my baseless hatred from the previous years. I don’t hate these people because they smoke and I don’t hate that they waste thousands of dollars, per person, of their employer’s money. What I hate is that this addiction is considered mainstream, while other addictions are degenerative and will get you in trouble at work.

I am addicted to the internet, there is no doubt about it. So as I sit in my cubicle, so often I just want to quickly check SWF or chat online with friends, if just for a few minutes. But doing that will get you in trouble. All the while, people are getting out of work all day long for smoke breaks. Just today I saw one lady take 3 within about 3 hours. At 10 minutes each, its effectively 16.67% of your total time at work wasted. That directly equals 16.67% of her salary. Every single year the company is losing something in the order of $10,000 COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY WASTED EVERY YEAR on this degenerative habit. Not only are they funding her addiction, by allowing it, it simply increases the chances she will take time off work for sick leave etc and probably be forced to quit a job because of a hospital visit, the company loses even more money in having to train someone new/have someone less qualified do her work prematurely.

But at the end of all this, it’s perfectly fine. No one seems to care and no one dares impose some sort of common sense rule into this farce for fear of public backlash which has happened in the past. The only justifiable reason I can see for why this is allowed (I’m not for banning it, but employees should have their smoke time monitored and salary cut accordingly since it’s the entire company, thus all the other employees, who ultimately lose out), is because it is assumed a mainstream addiction in a way. However like idk... just about EVERYTHING that people used to do in the past, all those habits die out over time and what is ‘normal’, changes. From what fields of study students gravitate towards, to the massive obsession with coffee and sandwich bars, so many habits and lifestyle aspects come and go yet this one remains. On that note, obsessions with coffee breaks can also be applied to all smoking scenarios from here onwards.

But that’s not what I’m talking about here, I’m raging about why is it that my mainstream addiction is considered so downright destructive, I don’t dare do it in my new job. I’ve had to sit through a few scare talks about not using facebook and how personal web browsing will be monitored and scrutinised. God forbid if I was to use a chat client and talk to my friends and family away from home. While I understand the obvious reasons for controlling and monitoring internet use, I’m referring to the fact that if you only spent 10 mins every hour doing random things on the net, that would be heavily scrutinised while that time could be spent smoking/getting coffee and no one cares. The argument that you are using company resources for your own personal use, thus banned, is complete hypocritical bull**** since smoke breaks are no different. The person is a resource. The company bought them, they install them, get their use from them, upgrade them and then replace them. Literally every single ‘resource’ aspect of a computer and internet can be equally applied to a human resource.

So yeah, iMad. I wouldn’t care if both were allowed or both were banned, as long as the hypocrisy dies. If I am to earn the same salary as the person next to me, I’d ****ing expect they would put in the same amount of hours as me. This whole thing just stems from ignorant, outdated ******** public opinion. There is not a single justifiable reason for us to keep living with these 1950’s workplace rules while today’s lifestyles are shunned. Because we all KNOW that in the future, internet addiction will take a hold of nearly everyone. Not so much to the degree it has over me, but that everyone I know has increased their time spent online DRAMATICALLY, at the rate they are increasing they would overtake me in a year (obviously they slow down as an addiction is something that is built up slowly).

From when I started university to the final year, the change was incredible. From every student paying attention, to literally more than half the class on a laptop/phone on facebook or some equivalent. What’s the point in denying the inevitable, as Gen Y take over the workplace, I’d bet anything that personal internet use will become FAR more prevalent. We are just delaying that transition under the idea that we are increasing workplace productivity while at the same time allowing a dangerously destructive enemy of workplace productivity to live on.

Smoking doesn’t affect me, but it offers an unfair escape from those who choose to be addicted to it. Why should I feel threatened of my job security while a more destructive habit is allowed. I’d like to escape work every so often to keep my addiction moderated (cold turkey sucks) but I don’t have a choice.

In short, **** you activists for allowing smoke breaks to continue to remain at full pay and costing me and every other employee time and money because of your addiction.

@ Employers and the country in general, they need to check a goddam calendar and take a look at the year we are in and get an analyst (or anyone with a brain) to spend 5 minutes finding out what the real cause of missing productivity is. The answer is dead set obvious. Who cares what we used to do in the past, it’s almost always proven wrong or made infinitely better in the future.
 

Kanelol

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you could start smoking, then you could remain at full pay and cost other employees time and money because of your addiction
 

Splice

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At Grill'd we still get paid for Meal Breaks, haha...

Also at Grill'd one of the Team-Leaders (a new Team Leader) fired someone for smoking.
And now he smokes all the time and uses the chip vats to light the cigarretes. Pretty unfair.
 

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Skimmed the OP. Don't complain about smoke breaks, it's considering that smoking is widely addictive, and that not only is it bad for the person smoking, but bad for people around them. by allowing smoking breaks it allows people who don't want their job to be a risk to them, to actually not have to deal with it. Yes a small percentage of money goes to allowing them to have smoke breaks, and yes it's unfair, but think about it this way; most jobs give health insurance after a certain amount of time, by singling out the smokers and putting them into designated areas, they make it so that only the smokers will be going to the hospital, instead of everyone who's around them (via them smoking inside)
 

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No it doesn't Browny. Skimming doesn't mean I didn't pay attentopns, it just means I got a basic view of the topic. Honestly a lot of the post was unnecessary drabble anyways.
 

§witch

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People ***** about the wrong things. How about we complain about actual issues and try to solve them? Or is that too productive for you?
 

n88

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People ***** about the wrong things. How about we complain about actual issues and try to solve them? Or is that too productive for you?
Complaining about people complaining about the wrong things is totally productive, just like everything on this site. :troll:

Seriously though, I wouldn't consider paid smoke breaks to be that big a deal. It's kinda stupid, yes, and definitely irritating, but not something to get too hung up over.
 

El Nino

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@Switch: Productivity and internetz do not go together well.

@Browny: I see your point, but I think part of the reason why employers monitor net use is because it's easier for people to get away with pretending to do work while surfing the web. It's hard to fake working while you're on a smoke break. It's more a matter of employers wanting to see what people are doing rather than offering favorable treatment to one group.
 

Browny

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So interesting thing today...

Had a fraud and ethics course all employees have to do. It was great taking note of how EVERY SINGLE aspect of fraud, can be applied to smoke breaks. That is no exaggeration. I brought it up with the presenter afterwards and he had nothing to say. then a smoker who overheard me got in on it and explained his side of the argument. so i counter with my side about wanting to spend some time each day talking to family back home. He had no comeback.

Of course one is illegal, and one is fine -_-

Im writing a proper analysis of this whole situation ill post it soon.. I actually think about things a lot so im not ranting coz I cant go on the net lol (I have my net-enabled phone if I really wanted to) Its just there is no reason why smoke breaks are allowed, which dont equally apply to going on the net, which both are not fraudulent.
 

Mota

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I agree with you Browny, smokers shouldn't be given allocated time and paid for a choice they made. Whereas non-smokers work more and get the paid the same.
Everyone has to go to the toilet, that's a given, but smokers choose to smoke. Special treatment seems unnecessary.

drug, alcohol, caffeine, sex, internet, eating, gambling addicts don't get specific "breaks". They're forced to simply tough it out and get on with their job, whilst of course watching the smoker through the office window satisfying his cravings and getting paid for it. :awesome:
/ramble ramble
 

SuperBowser

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It is in a company's interest to provide employees with a smoke break. People who are addicted to cigarettes will be less productive without a cigarette.

A break for everyone sounds fairer though.
 

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If you want an internet break take a portable device with you that has internet access and then vape for a break. Vaping is a new smokingish method that involves inhaling water vapor instead of smoke. They come in many different flavors and with different levels of nic.
I think they make packs that have no nic. So you can basically just inhale water vapor.
While doing this every so often surf the web.

Also, I totally agree about the whole coffee thing. It pisses me off when people ***** about drugs and tobacco when first thing in the morning they HAVE to have a cup of coffee. Same thing goes with monster, red bull and gatoraid.


Do not put all smokers into the same category.
I for one hate cigarettes. I do however, smoke a pipe and on occasion premium cigars.
It's like comparing cheap beer to expensive champagne. The way you smoke them is also completely different. When smoking a cigarette you inhale through it. When smoking a pipe you use your lips or tongue to pull a small amount of smoke through the bowl. After you have built up a large amount in your mouth you use you lips to push most of it out and then you exhale to push out the rest. Another method is to pull in and then push out every small bit, but this can give you tongue bite if done to fast.
Anyways, my point is that they are completely different. Mainly, only cigarette smokers are addicted. I have done as much as smoke 6 bowl fulls in one day in my pipe (I was sitting around a camp fire) though I mostly only do one or two.
I haven't smoked in almost 2 weeks.

So yeah, not all smokers are the same.
I do agree that smoke breaks are kinda stupid but they pay for it through their insurance if the company provides insurance.
Then again, smoke breaks are not always bad. My psych teacher is a smoker so we get a nice long break in my 3 hour long psych class. :awesome:
 

Teran

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I agree with you Browny, smokers shouldn't be given allocated time and paid for a choice they made.
Actually my choice would be to smoke at my desk, but everyone would baww like little babies and think they're going to die of cancer because of a negligible amount of tobacco smoke.

So **** it, if I'm going to be treated like a leper because I blow delicious tobacco smoke out my lungs, then I might as well get paid for the short time I'm on my break.
 
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