SmashGT 3 July 17th (Melee Only) CONFIRMED

[SwizzyUK]

One more point is that playing singles at the same time means that there's no hype for the doubles because everyone is busy.
Imagine if you had a doubles game which you had to play during the grand finals of singles - it means you can't watch the top players play which is half the fun for me, seeing who emerges as winner from our UK power triangle. The same should be true for doubles, the Grand Finals last time when me and VA played Prof and Fuzz was so much fun, because loads of people were watching and commenting when something cool happened.

Just putting my opinion out there. I understand what you were trying to do and why, but I like the hype of watching top level play, and also the pressure of having a crowd watching you play important games.

 

[Kone]

I agree, I do think running pools and doubles takes something away from the atmosphere, momentum and hype of the tournament. I would run them separately but it the decision of the host and what sort of tournament they are wanting to run.

 

[Kone]

LJ - anychance of bringing tvs then? also, and this is a big ask I understand, but are you are welcome to come monday and stay at mine (also help me drive tvs to the venue?). Do you know if dan wants to go/can go with you guys?

 

[X1-12]

How could I forget the Scots, good stuff both of you coming down so far. Shifting Shadows we had some awesome games and Cookie had a cool T-shirt which I completely approve of, Ganon dittos were cool too.

People, remember there's a smashfest at mine in just under 2 weeks with ~8 spaces I'll post details sometime this week, but I heard rumours that Professor Pro might be coming...

 

[gm jack]

Bad things happened last time I played prof...

 

[J03]

Pool 3 had 4 of its 7 players playing doubles up to losers quarters, 3 up to losers semis and 1 up to losers finals. Whenever Tamoo and I were free from doubles we were playing singles pools matches. Crabman and Jo3 definately did hurry people along with them as much as they could I assure you. It wasn't though lack of effort - people simply weren't available to play until later because they were engaged in doubles matches.

^this! i know noone thought 'hey ill run singles and doubles to utterly shaft joe' but thats the way it worked out lol. I didnt want to cause a fuss because TC and Fuzzy, i really get on with you guys and wouldnt wanna be a prick lol. But we were assured doubles would finish in time and because of it me and mike were essentially forced to forfeit. obv edwin stepped in but its not the same lol, although we did **** when we went double sheik

Thats not even taking into account Swizzys side of things

 

[Jolteon]

joe if you have an issue just tell it to me straight, I dont mind lol. obviously it seems the real issue is that doubles was run with pools since it's a lot of matches to do at once, it would probably be a different case if both brackets were running at once.

 

[Fuzzyness]

joe if you have an issue just tell it to me straight, I dont mind lol. obviously it seems the real issue is that doubles was run with pools since it's a lot of matches to do at once, it would probably be a different case if both brackets were running at once.

yeah pools are harder to keep up with as there's so many people, but if you have a "specific game". Say doubles were running 1/2 way through singles the doubles would still go **** fast as most of the players would be free

 

[Tamoo]

EPIC moderator triple post fail

don't make me give you a yellow

 

[Jolteon]

lol Crashboards.

Also remember that if we do run both brackets at once (doubles later when singles is mostly done), we can schedule matches at will which means we can allow people to take a break and watch an important set (like WF/GF).

 

[Clockmire]

We had to wait for dacacia to finish 2 whole pool matches before we could play him and bulletbill in a doubles match. Like, we waited for the first set to finish but apparently he had to prioritise another pools match over the doubles bracket.

Mismatched teams players in pools that started early made a significant difference in pool finishing times IMO.

 

[J03]

exactly! people who where knocked out of doubles/ didnt enter obviously prioritised singles matches over doubles matches. The fact is we had 10 teams and 28 entrants for singles.

There is absolutely no way we needed to start singles early. The logic was to save time but we had plenty. I could understand if there was 40+ entrants but there was 28 lol, I did like the larger pool size, gives everyone more games and was fun.

I still believe our pool suffered the most due to singles starting early and tbh doubles would have finished in like 1 hour 30 mins if wed prioritised it.

There are 7 rounds of doubles including winners + losers bracket (never needing more then 8 tv's) the first 5 rounds take on average 10 mins and the last 2 rounds average 15 mins with the chance of another 15 mins if Losers beat winners in GF.

Then singles could have been prioritised and pools would have finished earlier then they did do in the end. In short we lost time by trying to save time BY FIXING SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT BROKE with no notice or chance to say its a bad idea...

 

[Fuzzyness]

so next gt, lets do pools, then doubles then singles bracket? :s or maybe singles bracket inbetween doubles

or just doubles first >_>

 

[Jolteon]

I'm thinking we should get pools done first since it's the longest event to run. After pools is over we can assess how much time we have left, if we have loads of time then I think singles then doubles afterwards works. otherwise if we're running tight on time we could start doubles later on in the singles bracket? :S it seems to work fine when there's less singles matches to play since it worked 100% fine when I did it that way at the monthly lol.

 

[Tamoo]

I don't understand why doubles and singles have to be intertwined. I'd much prefer to have all the doubles done then all the singles done, although i've come round to alex's way of thinking of having doubles last. I have a hard time adjusting from doubles to singles but it's easier for me the other way round

Oh yeah and half of the vids should go up tonight whilst im asleep, the other half once ive woken up

 

[Jolteon]

I don't understand why doubles and singles have to be intertwined. I'd much prefer to have all the doubles done then all the singles done, although i've come round to alex's way of thinking of having doubles last. I have a hard time adjusting from doubles to singles but it's easier for me the other way round

Oh yeah and half of the vids should go up tonight whilst im asleep, the other half once ive woken up

well I just did it once and it worked well lol ;v meant that the duration of both events was practically just as long as doing singles alone and it was really easy to run.

but I guess if everyone wants both events seperately we could make a poll about which event to do first, I think doing doubles last is better really >_<

 

[J03]

im sorry but i dont understand any of this.

Uk tournies have had similar venues, more players, less tv's and a similar time scale and always get done on time.

you dont need fancy ways of doing things. Just doubles, then pools, then singles brackets. its really simple and has worked for years, so dont tell me you NEED to do things another way =/ if theres a problem then its that you have little to no control over the pools so they take much longer.

There were 7 people in my pool. As soon as doubles was over it took us less then 30 minutes to complete over 80% of the matches, simply by making sure every available person played at every available oppoutunity. If you doubt it then ask L'J, Tamoo, Crabman, Joe man, Calzum and Clockmire.

Ive never seen as much of a meal made of scraps. TC i really dont want you to think im angry with you or to think i believe you to be incompetent. I just think theres too much fuss and not enough control =/

 

[J03]

Right whilst ive got the chance i want to host a fest in preparation for SNY on the 30th of July

So far AmcD, s.shadows and f.cookie are coming to this with coey and aiko probably coming.

any others interested?

also does anyone have edwins number?

more over does edwin have a phone?

 

[Kone]

ill come joe

 

[Fuzzyness]

can I come joe? manchester right?

 

[Jolteon]

im sorry but i dont understand any of this.

Uk tournies have had similar venues, more players, less tv's and a similar time scale and always get done on time.

you dont need fancy ways of doing things. Just doubles, then pools, then singles brackets. its really simple and has worked for years, so dont tell me you NEED to do things another way =/ if theres a problem then its that you have little to no control over the pools so they take much longer.

There were 7 people in my pool. As soon as doubles was over it took us less then 30 minutes to complete over 80% of the matches, simply by making sure every available person played at every available oppoutunity. If you doubt it then ask L'J, Tamoo, Crabman, Joe man, Calzum and Clockmire.

Ive never seen as much of a meal made of scraps. TC i really dont want you to think im angry with you or to think i believe you to be incompetent. I just think theres too much fuss and not enough control =/

Because I ran it before with no issues and it was quite literally about 5x more efficient and allowed for way more time at the end. I know the standard method works, no one is saying we need to do things another way, I just think we can improve it. I think it could work again, and the only way to find out is experiment and learn from mistakes.

Also make no mistake, the last thing I think atm is that you're angry with me. I like criticism, lol.

And I know how long pools should take lol.

 

[Fuzzyness]

http://www.daysoutguide.co.uk/oyster

robby you should come down to london for £5 return and play us for a day

 

[VA]

possibly, I'm in reading.

 

[Yeniths]

Jooeeeeeee I want to come! Will make sure that I am free soon!

My hayfever is killing me I cant stop sniffing!! ahhh

 

[Willz]

I want to come, I'm doubtful though lol

 

[Fuzzyness]

coach is £10-15 to mancheter, duno if im gonna come joe :/

 

[J03]

haha charles man your so pringles

i really want edwin to come, and maybe tamoo if he can. George mate your always welcome ^_^

 

[Kone]

If people came to birmingham first (Say the night before) id drive us up to joes for the night

 

[Tamoo]

I'm afraid i've got work on the 30th and i'm going to X1-12's place on the 31st so im busy :/

 

[J03]

aw man i really wanted you to come =( really think your a good laugh plus i actually love playing you haha. Wanna try out my sheik on a jiggs too =(. If anything changes let me know.

Ed: your always welcome ^_^

 

[L-J]

Ed: between the three of us in the car I can definately bring at least one TV, possibly two and James might be able to bring one as well if it'll fit in the car. You can confirm me for one TV at least, and I'll see about a second or third.

Tristan: I'm confirmed for the 31st just so you know. Is George coming so we have the full crew? (really need a name for that btw, it's getting lame having to refer to it as just 'the crew' lol)

 

[L-J]

Ed: between the three of us in the car I can definately bring at least one TV, possibly two and James might be able to bring one as well if it'll fit in the car. You can confirm me for one TV at least, and I'll see about a second or third.

Tristan: I'm confirmed for the 31st just so you know. Is George coming so we have the full crew? (really need a name for that btw, it's getting lame having to refer to it as just 'the crew' lol)

 

[gm jack]

possibly, I'm in reading.

Play at some time? I live just outside reading.

 

[Fuzzyness]

I might take that offer ed seems much more do'able and maybe you could show me the venue

 

[L-J]

ugh ******** SWF, ignore

 

[Kone]

Ed: between the three of us in the car I can definately bring at least one TV, possibly two and James might be able to bring one as well if it'll fit in the car. You can confirm me for one TV at least, and I'll see about a second or third.

Jam as many in as possible? please

Tristan: I'm confirmed for the 31st just so you know. Is George coming so we have the full crew? (really need a name for that btw, it's getting lame having to refer to it as just 'the crew' lol)

Who is in this crew btw?

I might take that offer ed seems much more do'able and maybe you could show me the venue

Sounds grand, we will need to pack the car full of people to make it cheap though. Also, venue should be doable and shall check.

Tamoo want to come over some weekend soon to play? ill get others. I wanna sort me samus out.

 

[Fuzzyness]

should I return from manchester? or birmingham on the 31st? I go to birmingham on the 29th right ed?

 

[J03]

L-J itd be cool if we could play smash and chill out some time, are you free for the 30th?

 

[Kone]

LJ come to mine then drive to joes lol

 

[X1-12]

People who are available on 31st and want practise for SNY:

SMASHFEST NEAR READING AT X1-12s


Expect:

****
Recording
3 TVs + set-ups
~8 people
and a chance of REALLY CHEAP PIZZA delivery




Confirmed:

Tamoo
Crabman
L-J
GmJack



Maybe:

Jolteon
PROFESSOR PRO
FUZZYNESS
Mitsuki
Yeniths?
Craiigg?
anyone else that wants to come

Confirm soon since spaces will go and I can only have so many