Smash vs. Other Fighting Games

[Grim Tuesday]

Hi, I'm working on a fighting game at the moment and I was just wondering, what makes you prefer smash over traditional fighting games like Soul Calibur, Tekken, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, etc...

 

[Darkmega]

mostly it's uniqueness... what? how many other fighting games do you have fast paced fighting like some of these matches go, a simple 2D on 3D playing field and people flying off in every direction exploding outside the screen?

 

[Neo Exdeath]

Mostly because of all the Nintendo characters. I"m a big Nintendo fanboy.

 

[GreenFox]

It's the characters for me and the simple yet hard to master most traditional fighters its really hard to even start playing one

 

[n88]

A) All-Star Cast
B) Longer Matches
C) Simple Controls
D) More Players
E) Falcon PAAAAAWWWWWWNNCH!

 

[Grim Tuesday]

So if I were to alter my traditional-fighting style game, it should be:
-Fast-paced
-Good, unique characters
-Simplicity
-Longer matches
-More players

m'right?
Is there anyway I could make it more fast-paced without adding too much of the aerial-based damage system Smash has?

 

[★Chaos★]

all the nintendo characters gives everyone someone to play as.also very unique with fast paced but long matches. i'ma nintendo fanboy. GO NINTENDO!

 

[theunabletable]

The unique play.

I can't stand traditional fighters.

 

[DarkWarCloud]

I think its the versatility of smash.
Think of it like this, in smash, you have so many options. In street fighter you more than likely would throw out a hadouken or something and your options are limited. I also think the competitive slope of it is what really attracts people, the more distance between pros and noobs, the better.

 

[Chileno4Live]

Well, for instance, try a different way instead of a HP bar. Like Smash has a Percent gauge and all that. Maybe you can think of a way that makes your fighting game unique.

 

[Super Shadow Brawler 99]

It's definitely all the different characters from other games and also all the unique stages you play on. The final smashes is something else I've enjoyed over the same plain moves of some traditional characters.

 

[Mota]

No health Bar.

 

[BlackLightning90]

It's a 4-player, action-pack, incredibly, fast paced, many charcaters, many stages, unique, special, awesome, radical, more competively, button mashing, no HP, nice, hyperactive, controllable, agressively, memorable, nintendo game.

That's why I choose smash more than any other fighting game.

 

[SmashChu]

So if I were to alter my traditional-fighting style game, it should be:
-Fast-paced
-Good, unique characters
-Simplicity
-Longer matches
-More players

m'right?
Is there anyway I could make it more fast-paced without adding too much of the aerial-based damage system Smash has?

Which is Tatsunoko vs Capcom despite the lots of characters part. Of course, it is harder to learn.

 

[kuenzel]

Why isn't Falcon a guest character in any 2-D fighters? I'd take him over Lloyd any day.

 

[★Chaos★]

also there isn't a health bar to limit the time you live. it's all up to you

 

[AlphaZealot]

My character can actually ****ing move around the screen in a way that feels responsive to controls.

Oh, and there is no life bar. Screw life bars. The Percent/Stage knock outs offer way more depth as a game mechanic.

 

[Mecakoto]

I enjoy being able to pick up a game and not have to worry about miss-entering a 6 button string for an attack that would have otherwise won me a match.

I enjoy being able to go as far left as I want without having to stop for anything short of death.

I enjoy not having to study every move a character has in order to play them

Also, Luigi. And Pokemon. And the Knee. But mostly Luigi.

 

[Turbo Ether]

I don't prefer Smash over other fighters. I just happened to get involved with competitive Smash first, since it's the series I pretty much grew up on. I plan to switch my competitive focus to Street Fighter (and maybe Tekken). I believe that Smash is inferior to these games, but I will still attend Smash tournaments because the community is great.

 

[Nibbles 2]

I haven't played a lot of any other fighting games besides Smash, but it's the fast pace and off-stage game that I love that I haven't been able to experience in any other game.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Okay, so here is what I have so far, the things that make smash great, and what I'll put in my game to match them:
-Fast-paced - Fast characters, low emphasis on prediction and blocking, interesting ATs
-Good, unique characters - Pretty basic...
-Simplicity - Basic moves, but depth withing the moves themselves.
-Longer matches - ?
-More players - Pretty basic...
-No Health Bar - ?
-More Free Movement - No strafing, fast 360 degree movement.
-Learning Curve - Lots of ATs and emphasis on spacing.
-No Huge Combos - Once again, emphasis on spacing.

I was thinking, to make the game less about remembering a sequence of buttons, I'd have stats interchangeable in the middle of the game (Through some kind of charging or whatever) and make attacks have different effect depending on where they hit (I'm talking a different knockback for each pixel). I have hated in games like Soul Calibur how you are restricted to always facing your opponent and just sidestepping around them, I want to give this game 360 movement, but no limits like in Smash. I was going to have the core moves pretty basic, but add lots of strategy to when and where they hit.

No idea for a health bar alternative or a way to have long but interesting matches though.

Thanks for the feedback everyone!

 

[Nihongo-ookami]

Okay, so here is what I have so far, the things that make smash great, and what I'll put in my game to match them:
-Fast-paced - Fast characters, low emphasis on prediction and blocking, interesting ATs
-Good, unique characters - Pretty basic...
-Simplicity - Basic moves, but depth withing the moves themselves.
-Longer matches - ?
-More players - Pretty basic...
-No Health Bar - ?
-More Free Movement - No strafing, fast 360 degree movement.
-Learning Curve - Lots of ATs and emphasis on spacing.
-No Huge Combos - Once again, emphasis on spacing.

Thanks for the feedback everyone!

Dude. High-Level Smash is ALL about predicting.

IMHO, I only enter Smash tourneys because I suck at other games. Plus, the community is great.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Dude. High-Level Smash is ALL about predicting.

IMHO, I only enter Smash tourneys because I suck at other games. Plus, the community is great.

By that, I mean less standoffs where the two players are just thinkinh "Okay, he will be expecting me to do this, so If I do this followed by this, then he will probably respond with this and..."

 

[Hobs]

This one isn't really THAT important, but one thing that maybe you missed is unique stages?

 

[Moblin]

By that, I mean less standoffs where the two players are just thinkinh "Okay, he will be expecting me to do this, so If I do this followed by this, then he will probably respond with this and..."

That's called looking for an opening, and it's in all 3 of the smash games. In 64 it's careful spacing that looks a lot like soul calibur. In melee, it's dash dancing in and out of range, waiting for your opponent to screw up and take advantage of that opening. It's even in brawl, too. Especially since for a lot of characters in Brawl, if your attack hits a shield you're punished.



Trying to get inside your opponent's head is at the core of most, if not all competitive 1v1 games.

edit: But in some games like BB, a lot of characters have block strings and the like, which is just another form of looking for/creating an opening.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

That's called looking for an opening, and it's in all 3 of the smash games. In 64 it's careful spacing that looks a lot like soul calibur. In melee, it's dash dancing in and out of range, waiting for your opponent to screw up and take advantage of that opening. It's even in brawl, too. Especially since for a lot of characters in Brawl, if your attack hits a shield you're punished.



Trying to get inside your opponent's head is at the core of most, if not all competitive 1v1 games.

edit: But in some games like BB, a lot of characters have block strings and the like, which is just another form of looking for/creating an opening.

Please re-read my last post.
You don't have to look for a certain bit, just read all of it.
I was talking about LONG STAND-OFFS, not simple 1-second prediction. I see the former in many fighting games.

 

[AlphaZealot]

stages are super important!

 

[Big-Cat]

1. The characters
- If it were not for the characters, and this had been Ryu-Oh, I probably wouldn't have much interest in the series.

2. The controls

3. Longer matches

4. Freedom of movement.

I enjoy being able to pick up a game and not have to worry about miss-entering a 6 button string for an attack that would have otherwise won me a match.

I enjoy being able to go as far left as I want without having to stop for anything short of death.

I enjoy not having to study every move a character has in order to play them

Also, Luigi. And Pokemon. And the Knee. But mostly Luigi.

1. It's not like all fighting games are like this. A number of them like Guilty Gear, BlazBlue, and Street Fighter use mostly quick controller motions and one to three buttons depending on the move (most only require one). If anything, the 6 button string thing is a small combo string that mostly consists of normal moves.

2.Without having to stop for anything? Are you talking about how far other fighters let you move back? Smash has this, but in a different form.

3. On the surface, no. However, there's the time you have to take when it comes to combos and applications.

4. YESH!

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Okay I've added something new to the list:
-Fast-paced - Fast characters, low emphasis on prediction and blocking, interesting ATs
-Good, unique characters - Pretty basic...
-Simplicity - Basic moves, but depth withing the moves themselves.
-Longer matches - ?
-More players - Pretty basic...
-No Health Bar - ?
-More Free Movement - No strafing, fast 360 degree movement.
-Learning Curve - Lots of ATs and emphasis on spacing.
-No Huge Combos - Once again, emphasis on spacing.
-Interesting Stages - Each stage will have different things you can interact with, or destroy.

Still need an alternative to the Health Bar and a way to have longer matches though.

 

[Octane]

-Characters.
-Stages that offer way more than being just backgrounds.
-Top-notch controls that even a first time player can figure out.
-Captain Falcon and Ganondorf.
-No life bar.
-Alternating gameplay. (percentage, stale moves)
-AT's.
-Remixed classic Nintendo music.
-Moments. (Pauwnches, knees, edgeguards)
-Ability to play with up to 3 other people in the same match.
-Team matches.
-Taunts.
-Items.
-Always colorful graphics.