Smash Ultimate Leak Discussion Thread

[CosmicQuark]

Yeah, Smash would never add Japan-only characters.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it said that Sakurai only added Lucas to the game because he thought Mother 3 would be released outside of Japan, and when that didn't happen, he was not included in Smash 4 until fan demand brought him back? Could have been a rumor, but I thought I remember hearing about that.

EDIT:

 

[Nintrendo]

I'd even be head over heels for Square tossing him in a PS4 game or something, assuming they're within their rights to do so as long as they don't reference his origins.

there’s kind of a reference to geno in Kingdom hearts 3, in the toy story world a geno look alike appears as a heartless

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Yeah, Smash would never add Japan-only characters.

To be fair Lucas and Roy are from series that were already released in the west; just their specific installments are Japan only.

Characters like Takamaru (RIP), Lip (RIP?), Tamagon or Ayumi on the other hand...

 

[Malkior7]

>Tamagon

Already, this leak is fake because it's from Japanese video game series that wasn't released in NA.

If i recall correctly pretty sure Marth and Roy's Fire Emblem games weren't in the West yet during Melee and Earthbound never had an official US release until Wii U.

 

[T3Z3R1]

I believe Sakurai only added Lucas because he thought his game would be released in America. If he knew it wouldn’t, he wouldn’t have added Lucas.

We still have him in smash and Earthbound fans are hungering for localization of Mother 3 here in America Man, I wish that I want to play it. since Earthbound seems interesting to me.

 

[LetterO]

To be fair Lucas and Roy are from series that were already released in the west; just their specific installments are Japan only.

Characters like Takamaru (RIP), Lip (RIP?), Tamagon or Ayumi on the other hand...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it said that Sakurai only added Lucas to the game because he thought Mother 3 would be released outside of Japan, and when that didn't happen, he was not included in Smash 4 until fan demand brought him back? Could have been a rumor, but I thought I remember hearing about that.

EDIT:

That makes sense,but also there's Roy.

 

[Momotsuki]

Earthbound never had an official US release until Wii U.

This is false. EarthBound released for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System on June 5, 1995 for North American consumers.

 

[Deoxys911]

The thing about copyright renewals is that companies have to do them or those properties become public domain, where any idiot can do whatever they want with them ala Alice in Wonderland. The only thing unusual to come out of these recent renewals was that Golden Sun was renewed two years earlier than it's deadline for some reason. Otherwise, it's very routine legal stuff.

Hey, I guess that means Ubisoft can use the idea DaybreakHorizon mentioned with the Custom Robo name fully intact and everything! I look forward to the leaks stating Ray will be the second Ubisoft rep.

 

[ZenythSmash]

Nekoo you were right about Square-Enix being ultra-protective on their ****
the fact they told their employees mixed messages so they can weed out leakers shows how tightly strict they are with their stuff
even getting Disney to bend to their knees to not mess with Nomura's baby

powerful company

 

[Rie Sonomura]

That makes sense,but also there's Roy.

I mentioned Roy tho...

 

[T3Z3R1]

Earthbound never had an official US release until Wii U.

Say what? Earthbound was released to NA on SNES in June 5, 1995

Edit: ed.

 

[CosmicQuark]

That makes sense,but also there's Roy.

I'm heavily tempted to say that makes sense, but it's also Fire Emblem. Still, if Sakurai did remark that about Lucas, it would seem Sakurai takes a character's country of release into consideration. So while plausible, it could be unlikely depending on the circumstances.

 

[Noipoi]

Earthbound came out in the 90s, and no one bought it because of it's pathetic marketing campaign.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Say what? Earthbound was released to NA on SNES in Jun 5, 1995

I think he was being sarcastic

I hope...

 

[Narr]

I think he was being sarcastic

I hope...

probably just meant it had no re-releases and forgot the "re"

 

[Nekoo]

Nekoo you were right about Square-Enix being ultra-protective on their ****
the fact they told their employees mixed messages so they can weed out leakers shows how tightly strict they are with their stuff
even getting Disney to bend to their knees to not mess with Nomura's baby

powerful company

Oh. I wasn't joking, that's why Unlike most people I reacted differently to Hashimoto's tweet. There is a chance, that Vice-President of Square, Co-creator of KH or not, he's not allowed to talk about Smash related stuff himself.

Support or not. Because during that time they are under NDA for that Characters and those fake list. Sora, Geno, Dragon quest or whatever.

Can't say more, but we were tense in the game I did work on as a tiny texturing helper. Because that game had a crossover with FF XV. (being Assassin's Creed Origins) And it was basically alleyway talk that Square were apparently very stingy and other talk stuff.

I learned that I worked on texturing and mapping the Crossover waaay after it was shown to the public, because the Characters (I think it was FFXV bad guy?) Model was put in at the last second just to make sure no one knew.

 

[Potato_]

That Tamagon leak is fake not because of Tamagon.

It's fake because the guy who made up the DLC list seriously thought Nintendo would make a Japanese only character who 80% of the world hasn't heard of a ****ing paid character.

There were people that didn't buy CLOUD for pete's sake. Imagine the sales for Ayumi.

 

[praline]

So anyone leak Incineroar yet?

 

[Majora's Visage]

I just want to see an Incineroar leak already

 

[T3Z3R1]

Oh. I wasn't joking, that's why Unlike most people I reacted differently to Hashimoto's tweet. There is a chance, that Vice-President of Square, Co-creator of KH or not, he's not allowed to talk about Smash related stuff himself.

Support or not. Because during that time they are under NDA for that Characters and those fake list. Sora, Geno, Dragon quest or whatever.

Can't say more, but we were tense in the game I did work on as a tiny texturing helper. Because that game had a crossover with FF XV. (being Assassin's Creed Origins) And it was basically alleyway talk that Square were apparently very stingy and other talk stuff.

I learned that I worked on texturing and mapping the Crossover waaay after it was shown to the public, because the Characters (I think it was FFXV bad guy?) Model was put in at the last second just to make sure no one knew.

Huh. Whatever specific character for smash Square Enix was trying to protect from being leaked sounds like the serious situation there at SE, and we know this because due to vergeben's mentions about mysterious square enix rep and his latest post implies that there is list of characters being passed around in that building to prevent any leaks.

 

[KingofKoopas]

I can see Tamagon being this generations WTF first party newcomer ala game and watch, Duck Hunt, and ROB. Honestly hes probably the only one left as people EXPECT Mach Rider, Excite Biker, and Foreman Spike now..

 

[Untouch]

That Tamagon leak is fake not because of Tamagon.

It's fake because the guy who made up the DLC list seriously thought Nintendo would make a Japanese only character who 80% of the world hasn't heard of a ****ing paid character.

There were people that didn't buy CLOUD for pete's sake. Imagine the sales for Ayumi.

This is the ONLY thing I think would be hurting a DQ character's chances, though some characters would alleviate that.

 

[ZenythSmash]

Just got home, what'd I miss


oh why the HELL ARE WE DISCUSSING INCINEROAR/KEN = ONLY BASE ROSTERS LEFT AGAIN AAAA

blame SourceGaming

 

[Deoxys911]

For the record, Marth and Roy were both from a Japan-only game series at the time of Melee's release (though Marth, as "Mars," made an appearance in an English dubbed Fire Emblem OVA released in the US in the '90s). Originally, due to their Japan-exclusivity, Marth and Roy were planned to be removed from international releases of Melee, but this decision was reversed before release. The prequel to Roy's game would later be released abroad, as would the remake of Marth's game on the DS. Lucas was from a Japan-only game at the time of his inclusion in Brawl, having been planned for Melee initially but ultimately scrapped when EarthBound 64 was cancelled. Despite Mother 3 never releasing outside of Japan, the first Mother game had been planned for release on the NES in North America, even being fully localized, but it was scrapped before release. EarthBound, the localization of Mother 2, was eventually released in North America for the SNES, however it was not released in PAL regions until it was made available on the Wii U Virtual Console in 2013. The original Mother, as EarthBound: Beginnings, later saw its first international release on the Wii U Virtual Console, as well. As of today, the only playable character to never appear in a localized game other than Smash Bros. (cameos notwithstanding) is Lucas. Also, it is worth noting that Sakurai has explicitly said that he has not made Takamaru playable due to his lack of recognition outside of Japan, implying that while international recognition was not especially important to him in the earlier days of the series, it is now something that he gives a notable amount of consideration to.

 

[Misery Brick]

I believe Sakurai only added Lucas because he thought his game would be released in America. If he knew it wouldn’t, he wouldn’t have added Lucas.

Y'all are really forgetting Marth and Roy aren't you?
Fire Emblem didn't even make it to the west until 2003, so they were Japan only characters for Melee, but Sakurai still included them because he wanted to.
Even despite throwing out Ayumi for the same reason.
Hell, even when FE came to the West, we still didn't get the chance to play Roy's game.

Sakurai could break that rule again, guys. It's not impossible for a Japan only character to get their due.

EDIT: 'd like crazy.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Woof a lot of commotion here in the last few hours. I’m just gonna throw down a few thoughts of mine:

-I don’t see Ninten being an Echo of Ness. From my understanding every Echo fighter has to look distinct from their parent. When I look at them from far away, I can easily tell Samus and Dark Samus apart. You could argue that Marth and Lucina look similar, but Lucina at least has a different gender. Now Ness and Ninten on the other hand look so damn similar, and because they’ve gone so far as to remove costumes that resemble other characters, I highly doubt Ninten would get an Echo spot.

-This Sora talk is going literally nowhere. I don’t think he’s in the base game, I think talks came late and so he’s slated to be the first DLC character. Given their stingyness and money involved I doubt he’d get a second rep, although I agree Roxas makes perfect sense. Mentioned earlier that I think Geno is in the launch game as well.

-I don’t believe the box or music theory. I think the blog theory is the most “sound” one. The evidence I’ve personally compiled for Shadow is damning to the point where I’m almost certain he’s in the base game and he’ll be revealed with Ken as they’re both 3rd party echoes. Tails I’m not betting on but he could absolutely follow as DLC down the line given how much SEGA likes to play ball.

-What the hell is a Tamagon?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

For the record, Marth and Roy were both from a Japan-only game series at the time of Melee's release (though Marth, as "Mars," made an appearance in an English dubbed Fire Emblem OVA released in the US in the '90s). Originally, due to their Japan-exclusivity, Marth and Roy were planned to be removed from international releases of Melee, but this decision was reversed before release.

Imagine a world where the US never got Marth and Roy in Melee... That's some scary stuff.

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/432878923

He left this pic:

 

[Untouch]

We are NOT getting 18 more character.
No way.
Not even slightly possible.

 

[Chrono.]

blame SourceGaming

What they do this time?

 

[ZenythSmash]

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/432857928

There is a leak of someone who claims to be the one who has upload a pic of Ken..

already discarded

once again, /v/ have leak threads every single day.
don't take every single one of them as gospel. especially the last once being crafted by french Discord goons

 

[Shroob]

I think at this point we all just wanna see Incineroar clock someone over the head with a chair made out of pure fire.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/432878923

He left this pic:

Lol there is no way... I'm sorry, but this is as fake as Bigfoot.

 

[T3Z3R1]

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/432878923

He left this pic:

Meh, I already saw this picture before. So it's likely repost.

 

[Noipoi]

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/432878923

He left this pic:

Skull Kid, Isaac, Geno, Bandanna Dee, Banjo, Tails, Steve, , Incineroar, Shadow, ?, Sora, Rayman, Crash, ? , Doomguy, Vault Boy, ? , ?.

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

We are NOT getting 18 more character.
No way.
Not even slightly possible.

His excuse was:"Not all on the same day, some are DLC"

 

[ZenythSmash]

What they do this time?

nothing
they just uploaded a video talking about the "Incineroar Ken= 2 left" stuff, reigniting the discussion to active again.

 

[Shroob]

Skull Kid, Isaac, Geno, Bandanna Dee, Banjo, Tails, Steve, , Incineroar, Shadow, ?, Sora, Rayman, Crash, ? , Doomguy, Vault Boy, ? , ?.

Fist is Ken, stuff after Vault boy is Dante and Kloanoa.

 

[PLATINUM7]

People realise Devil World was released in PAL regions right?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

What they do this time?

I think they are referring to this