Smash Ultimate Leak Discussion Thread

[Eru13]

You know, I miss @PushDustIn being around, it would be really nice to hear what rumors and supposed leaks have been floating around the Japanese Smash/Nintendo community. There are far more Japanese people working on this game than people from anywhere else in the world, so it would stand to reason that the most leaks, as well as possibly the biggest leaks, would come out of Japan. Now, I do believe that somebody with knowledge of Japanese culture once said that leaking isn't as prominent in Japan due to cultural differences, but still, it's hard for me to believe that there wouldn't at least be a little talk of what insiders and those who claim to know such people are saying about what's coming in Ultimate when it's so rampant in the Americas and Europe. I don't suppose anyone here reads enough Japanese to have any clue what the biggest leaks from over there are, do you? Venus of the Desert Bloom do you happen to have any idea? You're the General Discussion thread's resident expert on Japan, after all.

I went through 2ch's (well 5ch's actually) video game hardware forum during the direct delay to see if they just happened to know anything we didn't, long story short, they didn't, actually, most of their info came from american/european sites

I even saw them talking about how Nintendo Life leaked the new direct date and how many agreed that NL was a reputable source and they could trust it on that

Well, one interesting thing I saw is that they were pretty sure early on that Famitsu wouldn't leak anything related to the direct, apparently Nintendo doesn't really trust Famitsu after a few hiccups and so on

But yeah, most leaks you'll find on the Japanese community, come from stores which get access to magazines early and upload pics (like what happened with the coro coro stages things)

 

[Koopaul]

Nintendo Directs are not Smash Directs with multiple characters to reveal, and if you want to argue this being some sort of "pattern", all it shows is a newcomer being revealed at the end, which definitively precludes a newcomer from being revealed in the middle of a Smash Direct how?

Who cares if it's a Nintendo Direct or a Smash Direct or not? My point is all unique newcomers with a reveal trailer have been shown at the end or beginning of something.

And it precludes a UNIQUE newcomer with their own trailer from being shown in the middle because of how all these trailers are set up. These trailers have a slow build up to them. It would throw off the pacing of any sort of presentation (Nintendo Direct or Smash Direct) to have a trailer like King K. Rool's reveal right in the middle of it. It would be sloppy and no one would be able to focus on anything else being said in the rest of the presentation.

The Simon/Richter trailer worked as an opening hook for the presentation because it showcased a lot of new stuff that Sakurai proceeded to explain, and then easily segue into discussion on echo fighters which slowly brought the pacing down to a more reasonable speed.

In fact all the information that has been presented for Ultimate was done in such a genius way I would be shocked if he was to do something so sloppy as to have a big reveal trailer right in the middle of any presentation.

These reveal trailers are giant hype bombs and they need to be exploded carefully and tactfully.

Disagree with me if you want but everything I've seen so far for Ultimate reveals has convinced me he is well aware of how big a deal it is to reveal a new unique fighter and will tactfully reveal these fighters. As he has shown to have done this time around.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

You know, I miss @PushDustIn being around, it would be really nice to hear what rumors and supposed leaks have been floating around the Japanese Smash/Nintendo community. There are far more Japanese people working on this game than people from anywhere else in the world, so it would stand to reason that the most leaks, as well as possibly the biggest leaks, would come out of Japan. Now, I do believe that somebody with knowledge of Japanese culture once said that leaking isn't as prominent in Japan due to cultural differences, but still, it's hard for me to believe that there wouldn't at least be a little talk of what insiders and those who claim to know such people are saying about what's coming in Ultimate when it's so rampant in the Americas and Europe. I don't suppose anyone here reads enough Japanese to have any clue what the biggest leaks from over there are, do you? Venus of the Desert Bloom do you happen to have any idea? You're the General Discussion thread's resident expert on Japan, after all.

I haven’t really explored much in terms of leaks in Japan but I will try later tonight if I have time. But then again I don’t really go looking for English leaks either. I tend to stay off the grid outside of Smashboards so I’m not as visible as someone like Pushdustin and hes the one that knows more about that stuff than I do. But I can give it a look into it once my daughter goes to bed.

The only notable Japanese leak I recall (being in japanese that is) was the one that mentioned characters like Heihachi, Lloyd, Prince Sable, and I think Black Shadow.

 

[PLATINUM7]

If that's the case, the question then becomes: why make the distinction of "Mute City SNES" if Mute City Melee won't be in the game? Why toss the idea of one more retro stage in the form of Mute City Melee returning away, in spite of evidence of other stages being renamed supporting the idea of Muty Melee returning?

:thinking:

There's going to be a new Mute City stage obviously.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Sorry to double post but she went down for a late afternoon nap. Did anyone discuss or bring these up?

When ever I search for スマブラスペシャルリーク, I get basically what we have been getting in terms of leaks. Though my searches tend to bring up the usual characters - Banjo, Geno, Shadow, etc.

I’ll do some more searching but my wife has given me the very important task of fixing the weed whacker to trim our yard while the daughter slumbers.

 

[Nonno Umby]

Sorry to double post but she went down for a late afternoon nap. Did anyone discuss or bring these up?

When ever I search for スマブラスペシャルリーク, I get basically what we have been getting in terms of leaks. Though my searches tend to bring up the usual characters - Banjo, Geno, Shadow, etc.

I’ll do some more searching but my wife has given me the very important task of fixing the weed whacker to trim our yard while the daughter slumbers.

Besides being a potato camera image, Rex is most likely fake because the shadow is a mess and he is using Mythra's Sword but the icon near him shows Pyra.

EDIT: Rex is also way bigger than he should be, since he is a smol boi

 

[Chrono.]

Sorry to double post but she went down for a late afternoon nap. Did anyone discuss or bring these up?

When ever I search for スマブラスペシャルリーク, I get basically what we have been getting in terms of leaks. Though my searches tend to bring up the usual characters - Banjo, Geno, Shadow, etc.

I’ll do some more searching but my wife has given me the very important task of fixing the weed whacker to trim our yard while the daughter slumbers.

Both of these are pretty old.

Dee looks okay enough but Rex... Jesus, Rex. What did they do to you, I can barely tell what going on with model, much less his sword.

What's worse is that I can tell this is the same Rex model that's been available for a while online.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Besides being a potato camera image, Rex is most likely fake because the shadow is a mess and he is using Mythra's Sword but the icon near him shows Pyra.

EDIT: Rex is also way bigger than he should be, since he is a smol boi
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Tbf, that second point is kinda moot considering that Toon and Young Link are about as tall as adult Link.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Besides being a potato camera image, Rex is most likely fake because the shadow is a mess and he is using Mythra's Sword but the icon near him shows Pyra.

Very true but it also shows that Bandana Dee and Rex are noteworthy to appear on a japanese Smash site.

 

[Nonno Umby]

Tbf, that second point is kinda moot considering that Toon and Young Link are about as tall as adult Link.

They are still smaller

Spoiler

So they would keep the difference in height. But in that picture, if we consider how big Rex is compared to the Villager and that he is bending his legs for the attack, he is considerably taller than Shulk

Very true but it also shows that Bandana Dee and Rex are noteworthy to appear on a japanese Smash site.

Oh absolutely, Bandana Dee and Kirby in general is very popular in Japan, as proved by SourceGaming's Ballot poll, and Rex has also risen in popularity.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

So according to the 4chan leaker....Verg confirmed that...

Newcomers:

• Incineroar
• Banjo Kazooie
• Geno
• Elma
• Steve

Echo:

• Ken
• Shadow
• Dixie
• Medusa

So these characters??

Banjo and Steve both in Smash in which were both owned Microsoft is a bit of a stretch imo.

This would make the fan base explode with excitement beyond the stratosphere. I would be too happy with this result but I'm still gonna remain sceptical until the end which will be soon thankfully.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I have moved the "leak" post here. However, for now, since it's just another random person, the post will not be visible.

Do not reply to leak posts. Just report them and let the moderation handle it.

If a leaker is real, they can PM the moderation and discuss it.

 

[Nonno Umby]

This would make the fan base explode with excitement beyond the stratosphere. I would be too happy with this result but I'm still gonna remain sceptical until the end which will be soon thankfully.

As much as I would love this to be true, Vergeben has already stated that he has nothing to do with this leak.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77034158?jumpto=24#24

 

[CosmicQuark]

Doesn't seem like I missed any leaks since I went to sleep? Man, and we're at 68. Also Verge has made it clear that he never posts on 4chan, so while I like that leak, it's not real.

Out of curiosity, why is nobody speculating about the 5 remaining stages Corocoro dropped?

Do people actually think that was a typo? But everyone takes Vergeben’s word as gospel? We believe some anonymous German guy with “insider info” and discuss him incessantly but not a Japanese publication with proven professional ties to Nintendo? The amount of editing passes that magazine has to go through before revealing something like 108 stages tells me it can’t possibly be a typo. So based on that I still think we have some unrevealed franchises, because otherwise why hide the stages?

I think there should be more speculation about it because it's been a whole week without a correction, so those saying it'll be corrected soon are probably wrong. I really don't believe they can just leave it if it was a mistake and there are only 103 stages--that verges on false advertising. If it was a mistake, but true, I'd expect them to be silent.

My guess:
104. Sun and Moon stage (if any returning series gets a new stage, it'll be Pokemon)
105. Golden Sun stage (if Isaac is playable)
106. Banjo-Kazooie stage (if B&K are playable, and if there's Microsoft content, they're likely)
107. Monster Hunter stage (no playable character, Rathalos assist)
108. Minecraft stage (no playable character, Creeper assist)

I don't think any more returning stages will return. I think the renaming of Mute City was done across all stages, regardless of if they were going to be in the base game, for future proofing. I would assume they would show off all returning stages before ending on Fountain of Dreams. A new Pokefloats, while unlikely, is still possible though. I also think Geno could be in the base roster, though I think they would treat him as a Mario character and not need a new stage--especially if he's the final character reveal.

 

[The_Naraotor]

So what happen while I was sleeping ?

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/432800629 We got another Minecon leak

 

[Nonno Umby]

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/432800629 We got another Minecon leak

Two Minecraft stages and three from Touhou when we have only one for all the other TP series except Sonic which has two...

Yeah, calling it fake.

 

[Shroob]

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/432800629 We got another Minecon leak

>2 Touhou characters
>3 Touhou stages
>TWO Minecraft stages


Oi vey, this one reeks.

 

[Deoxys911]

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/432800629 We got another Minecon leak

Why do so many fake leaks include Touhou Project characters? Is that series way more popular and successful than I've ever realized, or is it indicative that either the same person made all of them or that it has a small, quite dedicated fanbase that loves making fake leaks claiming that a TP character will be in Smash?

 

[Deleted member]

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/432800629 We got another Minecon leak

"Castlevania got a lot of love but what if we multiplied that by 10????"
There's no ****ing way a 3rd Party would ever get their own Pokeball item, 3 ****ing stages and OVER 100 TRACKS.
Also, classic "describe everything that happens in the Direct"
Also also, these moveset concepts sound so ****ing bad, Steve's is a convoluted mess and Reimu's is a "look how faithful to the games it is guys!"

 

[CosmicQuark]

I can see two Microsoft stages (Minecraft, B&K), but that's very optimistic. No way Minecraft would get two stages. Also, it feels so anti-climatic to go from the Ken leak to these ****ty 4chan text posts again.

 

[Shroob]

Why do so many fake leaks include Touhou Project characters? Is that series way more popular and successful than I've ever realized, or is it indicative that either the same person made all of them or that it has a small, quite dedicated fanbase that loves making fake leaks claiming that a TP character will be in Smash?

I mean, Touhou is arguably the BIGGEST Indie game series to ever come out of Japan, especially since they're all done by one guy.

The fact that they have their own game/music/manga/anime festival yearly is a testament to how big it still is after like, 20 years now?

 

[iruchii]

Why do so many fake leaks include Touhou Project characters? Is that series way more popular and successful than I've ever realized, or is it indicative that either the same person made all of them or that it has a small, quite dedicated fanbase that loves making fake leaks claiming that a TP character will be in Smash?

It's used to be the biggest indie franchise before Minecraft took its crown. It was absolutely massive in Japan, having a "Minecon" of its own (Reitaisai) and being a bastion of Internet culture. Its popularity has faded in the last few years, but from around 2004 up to 2015 Touhou was the biggest and most important indie franchise in Japan spawning more fanworks than any other series ever.

I'm not arguing if it should be in Smash or not, but if one of Sakurai's criteria is importance and relevance to the gaming world, I would say it very much should.

 

[Shroob]

Also Touhou music is absolutely godlike and if we ever did get it in Smash, I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be interested in seeing what Sakurai's team could do with it.

 

[Kadji100]

The series is so huge that in Soundvoltex (a music game made by konami) the music of the series got its own "category folder" with over 100 original tracks / remixes. It is said that the inclusion of Touhou Remixes (which where not present in Soundvoltex 1 but only got added during Soundvoltex 2) saved the game from beeing a flop.

So yeah....Touhou was and still is big at least in japan.
Also concider how many Touhou Games we got on the Switch (still hoping for some Ports of the PC games instead of only getting the spinoff titles).

 

[Shroob]

Like:

Do I think Touhou has any chance of all in Smash? Absolutely not.


But if Sakurai would go for an "Indie" rep specifically and passed over Steve?


Forget Shovel Knight, Shantae or even Quote. Reimu would be the heavy hitter.



Besides Minecraft, no other Indie series can say they hold their own goddamn festival yearly.

 

[SSB4Dojo]

For me, any I know this is personal hope/bias, but I can’t see Steve without an agreement on Banjo down the pipeline either in the base game or as DLC. I know my poll collection on the ballot isn’t 100% accurate but among the gaming communities, Banjo is a wanted fighter. Banjo gives no benefit back to Microsoft with how dead they keep the franchise but they know he is wanted with Phil even saying something. A package deal with Steve/Minecraft would give Microsoft the benefit they need.

Now I don’t believe Minecon will show any fighter before another direct. Maybe a direct happens this week with a head ups for something this weekend. Unless Nintendo begins hyping Minecon, there should be no expectations of Smash anywhere that isn’t fully Nintendo controlled. The closest we have ever come is the Japan only direct where Shulk was revealed where is was like 4am on the west coast so they weren’t attempting for a worldwide reveal.

 

[PLATINUM7]

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/432800629 We got another Minecon leak

Minecraft x Touhou featuring Super Smash Bros. basically

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/432800629 We got another Minecon leak

And we got another Leak With Reimu...
I'd say toss it aside and ignore it.

 

[The_Naraotor]

Minecraft x Touhou featuring Super Smash Bros. basically

Final Fantasy Touhou Super Smash Bros V Ultimate Third Strike Hyper Turbo EX and Knuckles featuring Dante from Devil May Cry Minecraft Edition.

Go ahead to beat that title ^^

 

[xzx]

There was a guy stating that he would "upload a video soon" of Smash Ultimate gameplay. What was his excuse this time?

 

[JustCallMeJon]

There was a guy stating that he would "upload a video soon" of Smash Ultimate gameplay. What was his excuse this time?

Oh, that guy to promised us a video of it?

We got Jebaited.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Well, see if Nintendo or Sakurai or anyone tweets about Minecon closer to the date

 

[Chrono.]

Well, see if Nintendo or Sakurai or anyone tweets about Minecon closer to the date

Kinda doubt it.

These "Smash character will show up at X event because it'd make sense" things never work.

 

[Michele]

Well, see if Nintendo or Sakurai or anyone tweets about Minecon closer to the date

Minecon?

 

[Chrono.]

Minecon?

A Minecraft convention.

 

[Untouch]

Do we even know if Nintendo is going to be at Minecon, it's in less than a week so I think they would have announced it by now.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Do we even know if Nintendo is going to be at Minecon, it's in less than a week so I think they would have announced it by now.

I highly doubt they'd announce Smash news there, if they weren't going to show the Direct at EVO. All I could see is an announcement there for a Direct that would have Minecraft/Microsoft content in it--but that would spoil the surprise. So I give it very little chance, even with Minecraft content in the game.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Do we even know if Nintendo is going to be at Minecon, it's in less than a week so I think they would have announced it by now.

I'm 50/50 on it. One side of me says probably not, Nintendo doesn't usually announce Smash Related stuff outside of their Nintendo Directs.
But the other side of me says, that it's a very Sakurai thing to do it and throw people off guard...
So I don't really know at this point...

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Wait, what’s this about a Black Shadow CSS leak?