Smash Ultimate Leak Discussion Thread

[I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!]

Wait, what’s this about a Black Shadow CSS leak?

It's fake. The only real leaks are Vergeben/DasVergeben, Senjougahara__Hitagi, and the picture of Ivysaur, Pichu, Ken, and Pac-Man.

 

[Chrono.]

I'm 50/50 on it. One side of me says probably not, Nintendo doesn't usually announce Smash Related stuff outside of their Nintendo Directs.
But the other side of me says, that it's a very Sakurai thing to do it and throw people off guard...
So I don't really know at this point...

Aside from announcing a Smash Direct at EVO, I can't think of any time where Sakurai threw people off guard with an announcement.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Honestly, if Nitnendo has any major presence at Minecon, I think it'd be to show off a Legend of Zelda pack.

 

[CosmicQuark]

The reason I suspect they don't announce game content at events outside of official Nintendo sources is they want to control the information and who sees it--they can't guarantee the wider Nintendo/Smash fans would be at Minecon or even necessarily watching EVO, but they can guarantee that with Nintendo Directs.

And I know I feel like a broken record, but Verge doesn't leak stuff, he gives us rumors--we can only guarantee they are leaks after the fact, no matter how credible he is (which I think he is). The only thing close to a real leak we have is the Ken picture, and that's assuming it's true (while very likely, it's not guaranteed). The distinctions matter, as rumors could possibly be false/misleading, while leaks are directly from the source.

EDIT:

Only exception seems to be Ubisoft's E3 events for their crossovers.
Which makes sense, given that it's Ubisoft doing most of the legwork in both cases.

Agreed. We would probably never see a Nintendo game at another conference (as some had assumed with Smash content being at Microsoft's conference), but Ubisoft games with Nintendo content make sense outside of Nintendo's announcements. It's also why we would probably not see a Rayman Smash announcement at a Ubisoft conference--while it's their character, Smash is ultimately Nintendo's product. In fact, I recall seeing many Nintendo fans not knowing what Star Link was when watching Nintendo Directs, as they didn't watch Ubisoft's--that tends to be what they want to avoid happening.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

The reason I suspect they don't announce game content at events outside of official Nintendo sources is they want to control the information and who sees it--they can't guarantee the wider Nintendo/Smash fans would be at Minecon or even necessarily watching EVO, but they can guarantee that with Nintendo Directs.

Only exception seems to be Ubisoft's E3 events for their crossovers.
Which makes sense, given that it's Ubisoft doing most of the legwork in both cases.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Has the leaker themselves requested stated such?
Also, any new leaks abound from anywhere else? Particularly any involving Phoenix Wright?

Guessing no such luck so far?

 

[Motor Bug2005]

The situation with the Prima "leak" on GameFAQs is getting laughable; now it's actually been compared to the ESRB leak in terms of validity. A text leak being compared to possibly the biggest leak in Smash Bros. history!? I despair at some people's stupidity sometimes, I really do.

 

[Untouch]

The situation with the Prima "leak" on GameFAQs is getting laughable; now it's actually been compared to the ESRB leak in terms of validity. A text leak being compared to possibly the biggest leak in Smash Bros. history!? I despair at some people's stupidity sometimes, I really do.

Anyone who "believes" the Prima leak is just playing along in the vague attempts it will "own" Vergeben.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

The situation with the Prima "leak" on GameFAQs is getting laughable; now it's actually been compared to the ESRB leak in terms of validity. A text leak being compared to possibly the biggest leak in Smash Bros. history!? I despair at some people's stupidity sometimes, I really do.

What? people are believing that leak? Just because the Prima Guides Went up for preorder shortly after?
I thought the Prima leak was proven fake...
Vault Boy better not be getting in over some more deserving Nintendo Owned Characters

 

[Nekoo]

The situation with the Prima "leak" on GameFAQs is getting laughable; now it's actually been compared to the ESRB leak in terms of validity. A text leak being compared to possibly the biggest leak in Smash Bros. history!? I despair at some people's stupidity sometimes, I really do.

And what's sad is that our only real leaker mostly post there for Smash stuff.

 

[Motor Bug2005]

What? people are believing that leak? Just because the Prima Guides Went up for preorder shortly after?
I thought the Prima leak was proven fake...
Vault Boy better not be getting in over some more deserving Nintendo Owned Characters

Obviously, some people on GameFAQs are so stubborn that they come up with nearly every excuse under the sun to try and keep the leak looking valid.

 

[Pyra]

Good morning my dudes. So far have been 2 for 2 for my guesses about how eventful a day will be.

Nothing will happen today either! Would love to be wrong.


And about Nintendo @ Minecon I doubt it’ll happen.
If I had to expect literally anything at all, I’d probably just want it to be a direct announcement. It’s close enough that a direct announcement for the 1st makes sense because it’s in the 2 day window

And yes I think a direct on the first, as unlikely as it is, is more likely than Steve being announced at Minecon

What? people are believing that leak? Just because the Prima Guides Went up for preorder shortly after?
I thought the Prima leak was proven fake...
Vault Boy better not be getting in over some more deserving Nintendo Owned Characters

“Deserving” lol
I don’t really buy that mindset but hey

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

• Maybe a second Sonic stage (if Shadow is a semi-clone)

Sonic already has two stages, Green Hill and Windy Hill. It's still the only 3rd party series with this distinction unless Pac-Maze makes a return.

 

[Fenriraga]

Sonic already has two stages, Green Hill and Windy Hill. It's still the only 3rd party series with this distinction unless Pac-Maze makes a return.

Man, I'd REALLY like there to be a Sonic stage without "Hill" in its name.

Seriously, Sonic team has eternally ruined Green Hill for me. The fact that both of Sonic's stages are essentially Green Hill really isn't much better.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Man, I'd REALLY like there to be a Sonic stage without "Hill" in its name.

Seriously, Sonic team has eternally ruined Green Hill for me. The fact that both of Sonic's stages are essentially Green Hill really isn't much better.

You and me both, I'd kill for a Crisis City stage personally. Hell just grab locations from Generations and make them into Smash stages, anything to distance us from Lost World.

 

[Chrono.]

Seriously, Sonic team has eternally ruined Green Hill for me. The fact that both of Sonic's stages are essentially Green Hill really isn't much better.

Lost Valley for Smash Ultimate.

Speaking of Forces I'd like Sunset Heights as a stage tbh

 

[Fenriraga]

Lost Valley for Smash Ultimate.

Speaking of Forces I'd like Sunset Heights as a stage tbh

P E R I S H

I'd take Sunset Heights, sure. Literally anything besides Windy Hill.

 

[The_Naraotor]

I'd like a Stardust Speedway battle stage with Metal Sonic as an Hazard boss. With three form for him his Metal Sonic Kai form, his Phantom Ruby Form and his Metal Overlord form shape shifting in those various form as well as his base form.

 

[Deleted member]

The situation with the Prima "leak" on GameFAQs is getting laughable; now it's actually been compared to the ESRB leak in terms of validity. A text leak being compared to possibly the biggest leak in Smash Bros. history!? I despair at some people's stupidity sometimes, I really do.

In an alternate universe, the ESRB leak was a text leak, and people have arguments about whether or not it was legit because Tharja's trophy was removed.

 

[Exalt4747]

I'm not a Sonic expert, but I really like chemical plant for some reason.

 

[Fenriraga]

I'm not a Sonic expert, but I really like chemical plant for some reason.

Chemical Plant is sadly the second most recycled stage in the series as of right now.

Still, it's more interesting than Green Hill.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Man, I'd REALLY like there to be a Sonic stage without "Hill" in its name.

Seriously, Sonic team has eternally ruined Green Hill for me. The fact that both of Sonic's stages are essentially Green Hill really isn't much better.

I guess our only hope for another interesting Sonic stage is if we get Radical Highway Hill.

 

[Fenriraga]

I guess our only hope for another interesting Sonic stage is if we get Radical Highway Hill.

Radical Hillway.

...I'd take that, honestly.

 

[Exalt4747]

Chemical Plant is sadly the second most recycled stage in the series as of right now.

Still, it's more interesting than Green Hill.

I only know the Sonic 2 version rip.

 

[The_Naraotor]

I guess our only hope for another interesting Sonic stage is if we get Radical Highway Hill.

I think they should choose a stage from a reccent game and we have Sonic Mania and Forces also Stardust Speedway got this freaking BADASS tune

Imagine fight with this tune oh my gosh

Edit:
And this tune also OH MYYYYYYYYYY !

 

[NintenRob]

It's fake. The only real leaks are Vergeben/DasVergeben, Senjougahara__Hitagi, and the picture of Ivysaur, Pichu, Ken, and Pac-Man.

What's Senjougahara__Hitagi?

 

[CosmicQuark]

What's Senjougahara__Hitagi?

The Reddit user who said Steve and a Granblue character were in, somehow. If Verge hadn't legitimized him, someone spouting "A MOTHU ****IN MINECRAFT CHARACTER" and calling Smash a kids game now would have gained no traction, regardless if they got some non-Smash things right. If Verge legitimizes him, there may be something to him--but with regards to Smash, we have no way of verifying his authenticity outside of Verge, and we don't know how he corroborates his sources like Verge, so it could just be him falling for leaker bait if true (which is why Verge is careful not to claim something like that until hearing from his main Smash sources). I would still not put him on the same level of Verge and the Ken leak, but something to follow just in case.

 

[Untouch]

More evidence towards my theory that we're having a network test on the 16th.
Splatoon ALSO had the first testfire 3 weeks before the game launched, that makes 3 out of the 4 Nintendo games with a network test before launch.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

More evidence towards my theory that we're having a network test on the 16th.
Splatoon ALSO had the first testfire 3 weeks before the game launched, that makes 3 out of the 4 Nintendo games with a network test before launch.

You mean for that so called October 16th direct? Claus/Masked Man effectively deconfirms it I think, and if not, Saki being an AT again would sink it

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

You mean for that so called October 16th direct? Claus/Masked Man effectively deconfirms it I think, and if not, Saki being an AT again would sink it

I think he meant November 16th if he was referring to 3 weeks before launch.

 

[I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!]

The Reddit user who said Steve and a Granblue character were in, somehow. If Verge hadn't legitimized him, someone spouting "A MOTHU ****IN MINECRAFT CHARACTER" and calling Smash a kids game now would have gained no traction, regardless if they got some non-Smash things right. If Verge legitimizes him, there may be something to him--but with regards to Smash, we have no way of verifying his authenticity outside of Verge, and we don't know how he corroborates his sources like Verge, so it could just be him falling for leaker bait if true (which is why Verge is careful not to claim something like that until hearing from his main Smash sources). I would still not put him on the same level of Verge and the Ken leak, but something to follow just in case.

Senjougahra__Hitagi also leaked the new Samurai Shodown (aka Samurai Spirits in Japan) to a T.

 

[NextChannelGames]

Where was it?

Sadly I can’t find where this was posted but got the picture. History is this was posted back in mid April and was pretty much went under the radar.

Yes, like always with pictures it’s terrible quality but I only found one video that talked about here https://youtu.be/735SR54g288 for a bit.

I’ll keep looking for which site this was posted on because since this was back in April.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Sadly I can’t find where this was posted but got the picture. History is this was posted back in mid April and was pretty much went under the radar. View attachment 166438

Yes, like always with pictures it’s terrible quality but I only found one video that talked about here https://youtu.be/735SR54g288 for a bit.

I’ll keep looking for which site this was posted on because since this was back in April.

Yeah, the font gives it away as fake

 

[PK-remling Fire]

Man, I'd REALLY like there to be a Sonic stage without "Hill" in its name.

Seriously, Sonic team has eternally ruined Green Hill for me. The fact that both of Sonic's stages are essentially Green Hill really isn't much better.

Not wanting Pumpkin Hill? For shame!

 

[Untouch]

You mean for that so called October 16th direct? Claus/Masked Man effectively deconfirms it I think, and if not, Saki being an AT again would sink it

No not related to that, I mean November 16th. I think we're getting a direct early November (possibly the 8th) to announce it at the end of the direct.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Sadly I can’t find where this was posted but got the picture. History is this was posted back in mid April and was pretty much went under the radar. View attachment 166438

Yes, like always with pictures it’s terrible quality but I only found one video that talked about here https://youtu.be/735SR54g288 for a bit.

I’ll keep looking for which site this was posted on because since this was back in April.

That...doesn't even look like the Ultimate CSS, probably another Brawl mod.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Senjougahra__Hitagi also leaked the new Samurai Shodown (aka Samurai Spirits in Japan) to a T.

Which is why I made the distinction between their "non-Smash" information and "Smash" information. We've had examples of legitimate leakers getting things from one game right, and another wrong, especially if they have different sources from different companies. As it stands, it's too soon to verify his authenticity when it comes to Smash. Verge is a connection, which raises his status as a Smash leaker, but doesn't have the same record to be on the same level of Verge when it comes to Smash, in my opinion.

 

[Untouch]

Senjougahra__Hitagi also leaked the new Samurai Shodown (aka Samurai Spirits in Japan) to a T.

Misconception, Vergeben posted about it first.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comm...t_new_samurai_shodown_game/dz83ftq/?context=1

If they do communicate it wouldn't be surprising if he got that from Vergeben or the other way around. It's best to take what he says with a grain of salt.

 

[The_Naraotor]

Damn would be neat to have Black Shadow but I'd rather have Deathborn he is more evil.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Which is why I made the distinction between their "non-Smash" information and "Smash" information. We've had examples of legitimate leakers getting things from one game right, and another wrong, especially if they have different sources from different companies. As it stands, it's too soon to verify his authenticity when it comes to Smash. Verge is a connection, which raises his status as a Smash leaker, but doesn't have the same record to be on the same level of Verge when it comes to Smash, in my opinion.

For whatever reason non-Smash leakers LOOOOOVE jerking over the Nintendo fans by stapling fake Smash leaks to their genuine ones.

Is that to throw off the sent?