Smash Ultimate Leak Discussion Thread

[NextChannelGames]

Out of curiosity, why is nobody speculating about the 5 remaining stages Corocoro dropped?

Do people actually think that was a typo? But everyone takes Vergeben’s word as gospel? We believe some anonymous German guy with “insider info” and discuss him incessantly but not a Japanese publication with proven professional ties to Nintendo? The amount of editing passes that magazine has to go through before revealing something like 108 stages tells me it can’t possibly be a typo. So based on that I still think we have some unrevealed franchises, because otherwise why hide the stages?

Haven’t thought of that... Though the question is what those stages are going to be? For me I think we’ll definitely get a new Pokémon stage.

 

[Shroob]

Since he didn't provide pictures of the discord, here they are:

Spoiler: Screenshots

Spoiler: Fullscreen Screenshots

Nice find on your part. It was never out of the realm of possibility for one or multiple people to be in on this. Good to know that we can finally bury this one.

Next time just edit your original post. If you believe the point is important enough to have it's own post you can just edit it out and post it when other people have posted.

God this is funny.


I love how it starts with them being all confident until it all comes crashing down.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

I'd argue that at least one of the five remaining stages is at least Mute City Melee. After all, why make the distinction of renaming Smash 4's Mute City to "Mute City SNES" when Mute City Melee is currently not in the game (at least to our knowledge)?

 

[Shroob]

I'd argue that at least one of the five remaining stages is at least Mute City Melee. After all, why make the distinction of renaming Smash 4's Mute City to "Mute City SNES" when Mute City Melee is currently not in the game (at least to our knowledge)?

I'd say this, but... why would they save one retro stage?

 

[Isaac for Smash Pls]

I'd argue that at least one of the five remaining stages is at least Mute City Melee. After all, why make the distinction of renaming Smash 4's Mute City to "Mute City SNES" when Mute City Melee is currently not in the game (at least to our knowledge)?

Because it uses the graphical style of the SNES game? At least that’s the way I always interpreted it. You could have a point but somehow it doesn’t seem like there would be a reason to hide that as one of the 5 remaining stages.

I always thought they would/could release a “remaining stages” DLC pack that just adds the 10+ missing stages and then they could say everywhere is here.

 

[Drarky]

Out of curiosity, why is nobody speculating about the 5 remaining stages Corocoro dropped?

Do people actually think that was a typo? But everyone takes Vergeben’s word as gospel? We believe some anonymous German guy with “insider info” and discuss him incessantly but not a Japanese publication with proven professional ties to Nintendo? The amount of editing passes that magazine has to go through before revealing something like 108 stages tells me it can’t possibly be a typo. So based on that I still think we have some unrevealed franchises, because otherwise why hide the stages?

There's actually something that caught my attention a lot about the new stages.
Right now, we have 4 new stages, and all of them are related to either characters that got big hits recently (Mario and Zelda), or are directly related to the newcomers (Splatoon and Castlevania). It is also very odd that they didn't add those stages to the count in the Direct, if they were on the making too. It makes me believe that all of those stages have something linked to them that might a surprise for us.

I have nothing to back-up this, sadly. But from past experiences, I just know that the development team doesn't make these kind of things at random.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Out of curiosity, why is nobody speculating about the 5 remaining stages Corocoro dropped?

Do people actually think that was a typo? But everyone takes Vergeben’s word as gospel? We believe some anonymous German guy with “insider info” and discuss him incessantly but not a Japanese publication with proven professional ties to Nintendo? The amount of editing passes that magazine has to go through before revealing something like 108 stages tells me it can’t possibly be a typo. So based on that I still think we have some unrevealed franchises, because otherwise why hide the stages?

This isn't the thread for speculation, this is the thread to discuss leaks, and in the general thread it has been discussed a ton, both whether it was mistake or not (seems more people than not think it's legit or that it could be true, but a few were adamant it was a typo and 103 stages is it), and what those remaining 5 stages could be.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Out of curiosity, why is nobody speculating about the 5 remaining stages Corocoro dropped?

Do people actually think that was a typo? But everyone takes Vergeben’s word as gospel? We believe some anonymous German guy with “insider info” and discuss him incessantly but not a Japanese publication with proven professional ties to Nintendo? The amount of editing passes that magazine has to go through before revealing something like 108 stages tells me it can’t possibly be a typo. So based on that I still think we have some unrevealed franchises, because otherwise why hide the stages?

Assuming that the Big 5 are true, we'll likely see:

• Pokemon Stage (Probably Battle Royale Arena or Alolan Pokemon League) (Most likely imo)
• Kingdom Hearts Stage (Either Twilight Town or Dive to the Heart)
• Minecraft Stage (Second most likely imo)
• Maybe a SMRPG Stage (Forest Maze 11/10 times)
• Maybe a second Sonic stage (if Shadow is a semi-clone)

Other possible stage choices could be a new Fire Emblem Stage representing Fates, a new Xenoblade Stage representing Xenoblade Chronicles X, *insert returning stage here*, etc.

Also, Vergeben is much more than "some anonymous German guy with "insider info,"" and as Omega Tyrant said, this isn't the place to discuss this stuff unless it relates to leaks.

 

[Deoxys911]

Vergeben said several times he doesn't post on 4chan
plus we already had several forged leaks there of fake PMs too which loz18 and verge already discredited, so don't take everything they ****post on /v/ as gospel.
it wasn't until Ultimate's reveal to verify one rumor. which was already passed around by multiple people too even Vergeben leaking at the last minute that Super Mario Party had a online feature and Smash Switch's name, Ultimate

also if you see a guy crying about "Toby", don't buy anything he's LARPing about.
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no Isabelle and Richter, implying Chrom is unique, Funky Kong being priority, and "don't expect anyone else on the base roster" garbo
in theory, he's probably even the guy he's crying about (i.e. sockpuppeting)

also he's spamming a crop of Dante on Spear Pillar, which looks painted on, and was behind that 9/11 rumor. Again, don't pay attention to this guy

Randomly brings up Toby's rival, says we shouldn't pay attention to the guy calling out Toby, calls garbage "garbo"... Toby spotted! How's that 'za?

 

[Nonno Umby]

IMO the final 5 stages will be:
-a Xenoblade X stage
-a Pokémon Sun/Moon stage
-a Minecraft stage
-a Pushmo stage
-a Rhythm Heaven stage

I'd argue that at least one of the five remaining stages is at least Mute City Melee. After all, why make the distinction of renaming Smash 4's Mute City to "Mute City SNES" when Mute City Melee is currently not in the game (at least to our knowledge)?

So that if they so decide to bring it back for DLC they don't have to rename files already in the game.
Besides I don't really see any of the remaining 5 being past stages, because why hide them? Also F-Zero has already 3 stages for a 1-character dormant series, I don't really see them adding a 4th one, even if it is from a previous game.

 

[Chrono.]

Out of curiosity, why is nobody speculating about the 5 remaining stages Corocoro dropped?

Do people actually think that was a typo? But everyone takes Vergeben’s word as gospel? We believe some anonymous German guy with “insider info” and discuss him incessantly but not a Japanese publication with proven professional ties to Nintendo? The amount of editing passes that magazine has to go through before revealing something like 108 stages tells me it can’t possibly be a typo. So based on that I still think we have some unrevealed franchises, because otherwise why hide the stages?

We've discussed the stage count, but truth is there isn't much to go on with it.

I will say that both Verge and Corocoro being right is 100% likely. The 5 stages could be pretty much anything (with any remaining legacy stages having the lowest chances, imo.)

For example, if both Corocoro and Verge are right the missing stages could easily be filled out by:

• Pokemon Stage
• Minecraft Stage
• Crafted World Stage
• A random 1st party stage not tied to any playable character (Let's say Rhythm Heaven.)
• SE rep stage

I could also see something like

• Pokemon
• Minecraft
• Crafted World
• Stage-only 1st party franchise
• Mute City (Either Melee or a brand new one based on GX or Mario Kart's)

I'm really iffy on Mute City Melee being in the base game for the simple fact that, unless they were planning on tying that to a new playable character from F-Zero, there's no real reason to make a huge deal out of "LOOK AT ALL THESE STAGES WE'RE BRINGING BACK" in the August then hold back Mute City. Most will point to the (SNES) suffix on the current Mute City, but if anything, I think that's just a fail safe in case they decide to bring back Mute City Melee via DLC (much like all those returning stages in 4 came on their own.)

 

[Zinith]

I buy the idea that one of the 5 stages would be a Crafted World stage due to the discovery of the new Yoshi alt...

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Alola stage
Forest Maze/Star Road
Minecraft stage
Yoshi's Crafted World stage
Xenoblade X stage

 

[Koopaul]

So you're still basing it all on 2 Smash Directs, again that's an awfully small sample size to adamantly argue against the potential prospect of a newcomer trailer being revealed in the middle of one.

There were 4 Nintendo Directs. Not 2.

-First in March that had the Inkling teaser trailer at the end.

-The second was at E3 which had Ridley shown at the end.

-Then it was the Smash Direct that opened with Simon and ended with K. Rool.

-And now it was Isabelle at the end of the September Direct.

Every one of the unique newcomer reveals was shown at the end or start of a Nintendo Direct. That's 4 examples. And like I said before. I could be wrong. But it's a pretty consistant pattern and it makes sense for building the max amount of hype for each character.

*Ahem* As for a major October reveal? I'm not certain. It really depends on how many more characters and content we are getting. I'd think Salurai would want to save a Smash reveal for right before the game's release. And no, I don't necessarily think he's factoring leaks into his equation for scheduling things. But that's just my own prediction. I have no more proof than anyone else does when the new Smash info will be shown and how much will be shown. We're just guessing at this point.

But I will defend to the death that a Nintendo Direct will not show more than two unique newcomers, due to how they are usually revealed in these Directs.

 

[LetterO]

Corocoro or not, why do people even believe 103 is the final stage count, despite it never being stated nor implied?

 

[Shroob]

Yeah, I feel like a Crafted World stage is something people are sleeping on.


With the Crafted Yoshi, and Wooly World's absence, it seems like, to me at least, they scrapped Wooly World and intend to replace it with Crafted World as a way to 'advertise', like they did last game.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

There were 4 Nintendo Directs. Not 2.

-First in March that had the Inkling teaser trailer at the end.

-The second was at E3 which had Ridley shown at the end.

-Then it was the Smash Direct that opened with Simon and ended with K. Rool.

-And now it was Isabelle at the end of the September Direct.

Every one of the unique newcomer reveals was shown at the end or start of a Nintendo Direct. That's 4 examples. And like I said before. I could be wrong. But it's a pretty consistant pattern and it makes sense for building the max amount of hype for each character.

*Ahem* As for a major October reveal? I'm not certain. It really depends on how many more characters and content we are getting. I'd think Salurai would want to save a Smash reveal for right before the game's release. And no, I don't necessarily think he's factoring leaks into his equation for scheduling things. But that's just my own prediction. I have no more proof than anyone else does when the new Smash info will be shown and how much will be shown. We're just guessing at this point.

But I will defend to the death that a Nintendo Direct will not show more than two unique newcomers, due to how they are usually revealed in these Directs.

Nintendo Directs are not Smash Directs with multiple characters to reveal, and if you want to argue this being some sort of "pattern", all it shows is a newcomer being revealed at the end, which definitively precludes a newcomer from being revealed in the middle of a Smash Direct how?

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

I'd say this, but... why would they save one retro stage?

Occam's razor would say that it wasn't shown off because it wasn't in a presentable state yet.

Because it uses the graphical style of the SNES game? At least that’s the way I always interpreted it. You could have a point but somehow it doesn’t seem like there would be a reason to hide that as one of the 5 remaining stages.


I always thought they would/could release a “remaining stages” DLC pack that just adds the 10+ missing stages and then they could say everywhere is here.

Like I said before, it might not have been in a state where the stage was presentable. Also, there's precedent to believe that this could be the case. After all, Dream Land from Smash 3DS was renamed to Dream Land GB, and Kongo Jungle from Melee was renamed Kongo Falls; all so that the stages can be easily distinguished from each other.

IMO the final 5 stages will be:
-a Xenoblade X stage
-a Pokémon Sun/Moon stage
-a Minecraft stage
-a Pushmo stage
-a Rhythm Heaven stage


So that if they so decide to bring it back for DLC they don't have to rename files already in the game.
Besides I don't really see any of the remaining 5 being past stages, because why hide them? Also F-Zero has already 3 stages for a 1-character dormant series, I don't really see them adding a 4th one, even if it is from a previous game.

Refer to my above statements.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Occam's razor would say that it wasn't shown off because it wasn't in a presentable state yet.




Like I said before, it might not have been in a state where the stage was presentable. Also, there's precedent to believe that this could be the case. After all, Dream Land from Smash 3DS was renamed to Dream Land GB, and Kongo Jungle from Melee was renamed Kongo Falls; all so that the stages can be easily distinguished from each other.




Refer to my above statements.

I highly doubt a stage was not in a "presentable state" that close to release, but regardless they didn't need to show the stage, all they needed to do was throw its stage icon on the stage select screen, we didn't see every single stage in action.

 

[Chrono.]

Yeah, I feel like a Crafted World stage is something people are sleeping on.


With the Crafted Yoshi, and Wooly World's absence, it seems like, to me at least, they scrapped Wooly World and intend to replace it with Crafted World as a way to 'advertise', like they did last game.

I feel a random first party IP with no character getting a stage is even more slept on tbh.

Like I could definitely see us getting something like a Snipperclips stage.

 

[Shroob]

Nintendo Directs are not Smash Directs with multiple characters to reveal, and if you want to argue this being some sort of "pattern", all it shows is a newcomer being revealed at the end, which definitively precludes a newcomer from being revealed in the middle of a Smash Direct how?

While I have no real leg in this discussion, doesn't this hold true for Smash 4 as well?


The only exception I can think of is Pac-Man and Wii Fit, and neither were part of their original presentations.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

I highly doubt a stage was not in a "presentable state" that close to release, but regardless they didn't need to show the stage, all they needed to do was throw its stage icon on the stage select screen, we didn't see every single stage in action.

If that's the case, the question then becomes: why make the distinction of "Mute City SNES" if Mute City Melee won't be in the game? Why toss the idea of one more retro stage in the form of Mute City Melee returning away, in spite of evidence of other stages being renamed supporting the idea of Muty Melee returning?

:thinking:

 

[MaestroDavros]

Corocoro or not, why do people even believe 103 is the final stage count, despite it never being stated nor implied?

Because people don't want to be disappointed if it only is 103 I guess.

Yeah, I feel like a Crafted World stage is something people are sleeping on.


With the Crafted Yoshi, and Wooly World's absence, it seems like, to me at least, they scrapped Wooly World and intend to replace it with Crafted World as a way to 'advertise', like they did last game.

So long as it isn't a ****show like the Wooly World stage was.

Look, I generally love the Yoshi series stages, and I think Yarn Yoshi is adorable, but my god the Woolly World stage is atrociously designed; one of the worst in the series IMO. If they can replace it with something actually playable I'm all for it.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

While I have no real leg in this discussion, doesn't this hold true for Smash 4 as well?


The only exception I can think of is Pac-Man and Wii Fit, and neither were part of their original presentations.

The E3 2015 Smash 4 DLC Direct and the final Smash 4 DLC Direct revealed Ryu and Bayonetta respectively in the middle of them, with a segment afterward thoroughly explaining them.

If that's the case, the question then becomes: why make the distinction of "Mute City SNES" if Mute City Melee won't be in the game? Why toss the idea of one more retro stage in the form of Mute City Melee returning away, in spite of evidence of other stages being renamed supporting the idea of Muty Melee returning?

:thinking:

Future proofing for DLC when they can bring more of the missing old stages back, a new Mute City stage is in the game, or just because the stage is based specifically on the SNES version of Mute City and they felt the need to make the distinction. Regardless of whichever choice, I don't think Melee Mute City is going to be in the base game.

 

[Starbound]

If that's the case, the question then becomes: why make the distinction of "Mute City SNES" if Mute City Melee won't be in the game? Why toss the idea of one more retro stage in the form of Mute City Melee returning away, in spite of evidence of other stages being renamed supporting the idea of Muty Melee returning?

:thinking:

Futureproofing if they bring Melee Mute City back as DLC?

 

[Shroob]

The E3 2015 Smash 4 DLC Direct and the final Smash 4 DLC Direct revealed Ryu and Bayonetta respectively in the middle of them, with a segment afterward thoroughly explaining them.



Future proofing for DLC when they can bring more of the missing old stages back, a new Mute City stage is in the game, or just because the stage is based specifically on the SNES version of Mute City and they felt the need to make the distinction. Regardless of whichever choice, I don't think Melee Mute City is going to be in the base game.

Ah, no, not quite what I meant.

My thing was more of "Has a Direct ever shown more than 2, non-echo, newcomers in it?"


I'd have originally said the E3s for Smash4, but neither Wii Fit nor Pac were part of the original presentation, and Dark Pit wasn't officially confirmed then either.

 

[AnOkayDM]

Ah, no, not quite what I meant.

My thing was more of "Has a Direct ever shown more than 2, non-echo, newcomers in it?"


I'd have originally said the E3s for Smash4, but neither Wii Fit nor Pac were part of the original presentation, and Dark Pit wasn't officially confirmed then either.

But we got Villager and Mega Man in the same E3 presentation, as well as Miis and Palutena.

 

[Shroob]

But we got Villager and Mega Man in the same E3 presentation, as well as Miis and Palutena.

......yeah? I'm saying "More than 2."

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Ah, no, not quite what I meant.

My thing was more of "Has a Direct ever shown more than 2, non-echo, newcomers in it?"


I'd have originally said the E3s for Smash4, but neither Wii Fit nor Pac were part of the original presentation, and Dark Pit wasn't officially confirmed then either.

That hasn't happened yet, but then lots of things happened that haven't happened before. I'm personally expecting two non-Echo newcomers to be revealed in the last Smash Direct, but if there's enough of them left I think it's certainly possible it could happen (and there's also always the possibility of a Brawl reveal-styled trailer that reveals multiple newcomers at once).

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

The E3 2015 Smash 4 DLC Direct and the final Smash 4 DLC Direct revealed Ryu and Bayonetta respectively in the middle of them, with a segment afterward thoroughly explaining them.



Future proofing for DLC when they can bring more of the missing old stages back, a new Mute City stage is in the game, or just because the stage is based specifically on the SNES version of Mute City and they felt the need to make the distinction. Regardless of whichever choice, I don't think Melee Mute City is going to be in the base game.

Futureproofing if they bring Melee Mute City back as DLC?

Big disagree. Again, saying that disregards evidence in the form of other stages getting renamed because they conflict with names other stages bearing the same name in the base game. No point in changing the name if it doesn't conflict with another stages' name, after all.

And besides, why future proof in the form of a name when that can be an easy 5 minute hotfix if Mute City Melee is indeed DLC? Seems a little redundant imo.

 

[AnOkayDM]

......yeah? I'm saying "More than 2."

Apologies. Apparently I can't read right now.

 

[NextChannelGames]

Anyone seen that picture of Black Shadow CSS that was shown sometime the past week. I’ve heard little talk of it but would like to hear your thoughts.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Big disagree. Again, saying that disregards evidence in the form of other stages getting renamed because they conflict with names other stages bearing the same name in the base game. No point in changing the name if it doesn't conflict with another stages' name, after all.

And besides, why future proof in the form of a name when that can be an easy 5 minute hotfix if Mute City Melee is indeed DLC? Seems a little redundant imo.

If you know you're going to do DLC and that you can bring back more of the old stages you couldn't fit into the base game, why not do what you can to future proof for it?

 

[barleyy]

Anyone seen that picture of Black Shadow CSS that was shown sometime the past week. I’ve heard little talk of it but would like to hear your thoughts.

Can you link to it?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Ah, no, not quite what I meant.

My thing was more of "Has a Direct ever shown more than 2, non-echo, newcomers in it?"


I'd have originally said the E3s for Smash4, but neither Wii Fit nor Pac were part of the original presentation, and Dark Pit wasn't officially confirmed then either.

Mmm, That's kind of cherry-picking. Like, yeah, we didn't get an announcement of Wii Fit and Pac-Man IN the E3 Direct but they were literally shown on the floor Directly afterwards, in the same day, at the same show. I mean it's kind of an arbitrary question anyways but just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it can't happen.

 

[alemerltoucanet]

Anyone seen that picture of Black Shadow CSS that was shown sometime the past week. I’ve heard little talk of it but would like to hear your thoughts.

Where was it?

 

[Paperchampion23]

Honestly? I expect the next major Direct in October and possibly a final, more character focused direct in November.

Think about it logically, Vergeben by himself is suggesting at least 3-4 more characters (Ken, Incineroar, SE Rep and possibly a Minecraft character). However, Vergeben has admitted that he does not know everything, solidified by the fact that he did not know about K. Rool and at least 3 echoes.

My guess, and this is being hopeful that October brings us another August-sized direct, where another 2-6 characters (including echoes) get announced, two of which I'm going to believe to be Ken and Incineroar. Here I think Spirits/Single player will finally get shown, along with a few more single player modes (unique break the targets PLZ)

After this, the game will drop soon after, so I can see yet another direct a month later in mid November, something similar to the 50 fact extravaganza, however it focuses more on unknown information of all of the characters. We have many missing final smashes, unknown costumes and moves, etc, there is plenty to be shown here. Here I can see another 2-6 characters getting dropped.

No I'm not saying there are 12 more newcomers max but hell, idk **** lol and it could happen. However, I do personally believe Smash will get 2 more significant content drops. With how actually little we know about alot of Ultimates features and remaining characters, I'm finding it hard to believe Sakurai can finish it in 1 direct, unless it's like an hour long lol.

 

[Isaac for Smash Pls]

This isn't the thread for speculation, this is the thread to discuss leaks, and in the general thread it has been discussed a ton, both whether it was mistake or not (seems more people than not think it's legit or that it could be true, but a few were adamant it was a typo and 103 stages is it), and what those remaining 5 stages could be.

That's fair, I just considered the Corocoro announcement to be a semi-leak or unofficial announcement. And even moreso than this thread, I'm surprised all of the "leakers" are so fixated on the characters and none of them have talked about any new stages. This to me is a huge point against any potential leakers since I trust that Corocoro is on point with this. If I were a leaker who knew all about some juicy new stages I would be shouting about it from the rooftops.

 

[Deoxys911]

You know, I miss PushDustIn being around, it would be really nice to hear what rumors and supposed leaks have been floating around the Japanese Smash/Nintendo community. There are far more Japanese people working on this game than people from anywhere else in the world, so it would stand to reason that the most leaks, as well as possibly the biggest leaks, would come out of Japan. Now, I do believe that somebody with knowledge of Japanese culture once said that leaking isn't as prominent in Japan due to cultural differences, but still, it's hard for me to believe that there wouldn't at least be a little talk of what insiders and those who claim to know such people are saying about what's coming in Ultimate when it's so rampant in the Americas and Europe. I don't suppose anyone here reads enough Japanese to have any clue what the biggest leaks from over there are, do you? Venus of the Desert Bloom do you happen to have any idea? You're the General Discussion thread's resident expert on Japan, after all.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

That's fair, I just considered the Corocoro announcement to be a semi-leak or unofficial announcement. And even moreso than this thread, I'm surprised all of the "leakers" are so fixated on the characters and none of them have talked about any new stages. This to me is a huge point against any potential leakers since I trust that Corocoro is on point with this. If I were a leaker who knew all about some juicy new stages I would be shouting about it from the rooftops.

A good amount of them do have stages, just we haven't gotten any credible leaks with stages besides the pre-E3 Battlefield leak and Vergeben's Minecraft content possibly being a stage. As it is characters are by far the thing people care about most and are the most important information, so by the nature of that the characters are going to be a lot more liable to get leaked out; in fact nearly every verified leak in Smash's history mostly just had character information and maybe a couple miscellaneous things, the ESRB leak is the only big exception to this (and the leakers breaking it still first prioritized the characters and it was what people were mostly fixated on).