Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Majora's Visage]

Does it always update at exactly the same time every day or should we wait ~1 more hour max to see what happens?

I've noticed it can be quite late sometimes

 

[Iridium]

Pichu needs to be garbage so we get more satisfaction with his success. I won't accept another low tier Roy though.

 

[kylexv]

No blog post yet:

Spoiler: hmm.gif

Probably just reading into things too much, but that means they were probably planning an announcement of some sort. That is, if the blog hasn't updated by the time I wake up tomorrow (7 a.m. EST).

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I thereby declare this to be our leak-busting victory song.

(I'm contemplating to switch on Space Jam-version, but that infamously jamming theme from what is considered crudest of bootleggy games trying to pass off as official, fits really well.)

Incidentally, I had thought earlier today that the Cheetahmen were the among the few Western characters to not be elligible for Smash at all, since they never stood a chance in the gaming market in the first place.

Does it always update at exactly the same time every day or should we wait ~1 more hour max to see what happens?

I'd say wait at least until 10.

If nothing happens, well...

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I'm just hoping I don't have so many chars mained be low-tiers again this time - and probably explore new kinds from previous installments incase they're getting buffed ().

But yeah, mid-tier to up would be great to have across the board for me.

 

[Kuon]

I talked about this a bit on the Shantae thread, but is it bad to not want characters from Western franchises to be playable characters?

 

[Zinith]

I at least want to get my boi out of that "lower mid-tier" blind spot where characters in that position are basically not talked about...

 

[John Dylan Smith]

No blog post yet:

Spoiler: hmm.gif

Probably just reading into things too much, but that means they were probably planning an announcement of some sort. That is, if the blog hasn't updated by the time I wake up tomorrow (7 a.m. EST).

They'll probably won't post anything for a while to pay respects for the earthquake victims (Similar to what their doing with the direct)!

 

[Aeronite's Kiseki]

well, if it was a new character, the blog would've updated 3 hours ago soooo eh....

 

[Luigi The President]

Did you read the thread this morning?

Because that was like every third post or so.

Pal I was learning this morning

 

[EnthusedPanda]

I talked about this a bit on the Shantae thread, but is it bad to not want characters from Western franchises to not be playable characters?

It’s an arbitrary limitation.

 

[Kuon]

It’s an arbitrary limitation.

But I have a reason for it, if that's what you mean

 

[Luigi The President]

But I have a reason for it, if that's what you mean

I mean...that's kind of an odd hatred. What's the reason?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Do you want the SAKUBIAS complaints to hit full force again?

Because that's how you get that.

It’ll be worth Pit being the main hero, like Kirby in the SSE (or Sonic saving all of gaming)

 

[Buzzwole]

But I have a reason for it, if that's what you mean

I'd love to hear the reason because that's super odd and specific.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I talked about this a bit on the Shantae thread, but is it bad to not want characters from Western franchises to be playable characters?

Yes.

Because it's lying about the world of gaming as a whole. Those characters can be just as deserving and iconic.

 

[Will]

Tinfoil Hat Theory:

There definitely was meant to be some type of reveal but they're scattering to pull a substitute until next time.

 

[Kuon]

I mean...that's kind of an odd hatred. What's the reason?

Well, I'm not really a fan of Western characters. I'm an otaku who likes Japanese characters, and I personally just don't really like the design of Western characters like Sora or Rayman or Crash. Of course, it's different with Diddy Kong and K Rool since they're from DK. But Sakurai has never made Western franchises playable (Shovel Knight is a great example), so I'm not sure if he'd actually do that or not

I'd love to hear the reason because that's super odd and specific.

Well, I'm not really a fan of Western characters. I'm an otaku who likes Japanese characters, and I personally just don't really like the design of Western characters like Sora or Rayman or Crash. Of course, it's different with Diddy Kong and K Rool since they're from DK. But Sakurai has never made Western franchises playable (Shovel Knight is a great example), so I'm not sure if he'd actually do that or not

 

[TheCJBrine]

I talked about this a bit on the Shantae thread, but is it bad to not want characters from Western franchises to be playable characters?

I dunno, I don't see how it's any different than Dark Samus loving US football.

 

[Shroob]

Tinfoil Hat Theory:

There definitely was meant to be some type of reveal but they're scattering to pull a substitute until next time.

I doubt that's much of a tinfoil hat theory at this point.

They'll probably just slap up a veteran or item at this rate, if we even get one at all.

 

[Will]

I talked about this a bit on the Shantae thread, but is it bad to not want characters from Western franchises to be playable characters?

yeah man if only
i know this is half-wrong but you get the point

 

[Kuon]

Yes.

Because it's lying about the world of gaming as a whole. Those characters can be just as deserving and iconic.

But Sakurai has never done that before, so would that mean that he's ignoring the world of gaming as a whole by not making Western franchises playable?

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

I at least want to get my boi out of that "lower mid-tier" blind spot where characters in that position are basically not talked about...

I don't think a reasonable person could claim that Yoshi is below the halfway mark in 4 so you're already not in that situation. Just because Yoshi didn't work out to be a top character like he kinda seemed to some at first doesn't mean he instantly sucked; he was still pretty strong overall.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

Well, I'm not really a fan of Western characters. I'm an otaku who likes Japanese characters, and I personally just don't really like the design of Western characters like Sora or Rayman or Crash. Of course, it's different with Diddy Kong and K Rool since they're from DK. But Sakurai has never made Western franchises playable (Shovel Knight is a great example), so I'm not sure if he'd actually do that or not


Well, I'm not really a fan of Western characters. I'm an otaku who likes Japanese characters, and I personally just don't really like the design of Western characters like Sora or Rayman or Crash. Of course, it's different with Diddy Kong and K Rool since they're from DK. But Sakurai has never made Western franchises playable (Shovel Knight is a great example), so I'm not sure if he'd actually do that or not

Smash is a celebration of gaming, not Japan.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Tinfoil Hat Theory:

There definitely was meant to be some type of reveal but they're scattering to pull a substitute until next time.

Doubt it. The JP magazine that will be coming out next week are already probably about to be printed. They can't do a last minute substitute.

 

[Buzzwole]

Well, I'm not really a fan of Western characters. I'm an otaku who likes Japanese characters, and I personally just don't really like the design of Western characters like Sora or Rayman or Crash. Of course, it's different with Diddy Kong and K Rool since they're from DK. But Sakurai has never made Western franchises playable (Shovel Knight is a great example), so I'm not sure if he'd actually do that or not

Then yeah, this is bad. Grouping all westerners together and dismissing all of their characters is really lame.

 

[Luigi The President]

Well, I'm not really a fan of Western characters. I'm an otaku who likes Japanese characters, and I personally just don't really like the design of Western characters like Sora or Rayman or Crash. Of course, it's different with Diddy Kong and K Rool since they're from DK. But Sakurai has never made Western franchises playable (Shovel Knight is a great example), so I'm not sure if he'd actually do that or not


Well, I'm not really a fan of Western characters. I'm an otaku who likes Japanese characters, and I personally just don't really like the design of Western characters like Sora or Rayman or Crash. Of course, it's different with Diddy Kong and K Rool since they're from DK. But Sakurai has never made Western franchises playable (Shovel Knight is a great example), so I'm not sure if he'd actually do that or not

It's almost like Nintendo is a Japanese company. Since the 1900's.
So all their games would be Japanese.
Every single one.

I couldn't disagree more with your reasoning but it's your own opinion I suppose.

 

[SebasSancy]

Tinfoil Hat Theory:

There definitely was meant to be some type of reveal but they're scattering to pull a substitute until next time.

today's update should have been the character revealed in the delayed Direct. Always the first update post-announcement is a new fighter

 

[Shroob]

But Sakurai has never done that before, so would that mean that he's ignoring the world of gaming as a whole by not making Western franchises playable?

Sakurai keeps 'never doing it before!'

And time and time again, he ends up doing it regardless of what fan-created rules say.

 

[Potato_]

Doubt it. The JP magazine that will be coming out next week are already probably about to be printed. They can't do a last minute substitute.

Think he means a last minute substitute for the website update today, not the actual direct.

 

[Zinith]

I don't think a reasonable person could claim that Yoshi is below the halfway mark in 4 so you're already not in that situation. Just because Yoshi didn't work out to be a top character like he kinda seemed to some at first doesn't mean he instantly sucked; he was still pretty strong overall.

He IS below the halfway mark in 4 (34 out of 55), but it's the way that tier list is structured that results in the confusion...

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Yes.

Because it's lying about the world of gaming as a whole. Those characters can be just as deserving and iconic.

And besides, some of said Western characters are Japanese-inspired. It'd be a bit unintentionally xenophobic, especially considering how other games and franchises have no problem including Western guests and cameos.

 

[Kuon]

yeah man if only
i know this is half-wrong but you get the point

Little Mac was created by Genyo Takeda, who is not Western, and Dark Samus, though made by Americans, is from Metroid, a Japanese series. I'm talking about Western franchises

 

[Deoxys911]

You should see it when it's 2 am where I'M at!!!

It's always 2 AM in Yoshi's Slave Dungeo—err, Fan Club.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

But Sakurai has never done that before, so would that mean that he's ignoring the world of gaming as a whole by not making Western franchises playable?

If said Western franchise performs well in Japan I’d imagine he would welcome the idea. He wanted to put Banjo & Kazooie in Melee and they’re developed by a Western company, their games were only published by Nintendo at the time (now belonging to Microsoft, which is also western)

 

[TheCJBrine]

But Sakurai has never done that before, so would that mean that he's ignoring the world of gaming as a whole by not making Western franchises playable?

He considered Banjo & Kazooie for Melee, before Microsoft bought Rare.

edit: 'd

 

[Tree Gelbman]

But Sakurai has never done that before, so would that mean that he's ignoring the world of gaming as a whole by not making Western franchises playable?

No, it just means his priorities and eyes have been focused on the other side of the world as a large chunk of the world's gaming companies DO come from that side of the world.

 

[Nielicus]

412 are my birth numbers, it’s my destiny to post here.

 

[Luigi The President]

Little Mac was created by Genyo Takeda, who is not Western, and Dark Samus, though made by Americans, is from Metroid, a Japanese series. I'm talking about Western franchises

Again, there aren't Western characters because Nintendo is a Japanese company. I don't know why you think Sakurai has a rule against it simply because he's adding characters from the Japanese companies games.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Come on Nintendo just spill the beans, who's the next character?!