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Depends how seriously you take the data indicating she was planned before the ballot.
Nintendo owns a good amount of Bayonetta through publishing and Sega does sleep with them a lot (which lead to a healthy relationship), and they current have Microsoft on speed dial, so another side piece wouldn’t hurt them...though Sony is probably no finished with themOne reason why I'll won't be able to get Kat from Gravity RushIf only a Bayonetta situation could happen and Nintendo adopts an abandoned Gravity Rush.
Huh, that's the earliest I've heard that concept. Like it was tossed around a lot that SS Impa could replace Shiek in Smash 4, and I was surprised when she didn't. But I don't think I'd ever think of OOT Impa lol.
The point is, did a character show up in a main entry? Yes? Then they matter enough to show up in Smash. Yes, even Daisy, since Super Mario Land counts.
Honestly I would perfer if the Fishing Pole would be Isabelle's grab. It could have a lot of ending lag, but it can work as a tether, have a lot of range, and possible draw in Items if you hit them.
Wait why is echo discussion boring?
Because it usually devolves into debates over what characters should and should not be echoes.
It didn't happen in Smash 4, but Smash 4's DLC plans just didn't have the potential for it to happen, Smash 4's DLC was: Mewtwo, cut Melee vet, cut Brawl vet, promotional newcomer from upcoming Nintendo game, two big third parties, and Bayonetta (where whether they were genuine about her Ballot support or put her in to promote her games she fitted a preconceived role). None of Smash 4's assist trophies nor pokeball pokemon fit in any of those categories, so they weren't eligible regardless of their assist status. If we actually got characters from the Ballot or Sakurai just went and pulled from the entire pool of characters instead of focusing on those specific categories, this argument would have a bit more merit. Plus even if it did have merit, we have no idea how Ultimate's DLC will be; say they support the game for a very long time and we still get DLC years down the road, you really think Sakurai is going to refuse surefire hit DLC just because he passed over them for the initial planned roster years ago and gave them a consolation role?
An AT being promoted isn't any different from any other character making it in, the character was simply who Sakurai viewed as the best pick for what he wanted to achieve, you're being very hyperbolic here in how the fanbase will react. If anything, fans of other assists would get invigorated, as it would definitively show their desired character is able to get promoted to playable and they won't have to wait until the next game that could be a very long time away.
How is it any more difficult? If you're claiming it because Little Mac was the only AT who got promoted from Brawl to Smash 4, how many of the Brawl ATs had an actual good chance for making it on the roster over who actually got in? Isaac was the only one besides Mac with significant fan demand for Smash 4, and he had the relevancy problem, when relevancy was a huge factor for Smash 4's roster selection, so it's not like he would have made it if he wasn't an AT in Brawl.
When I say all Goku's I mean all Goku's.
Top 10 Anime Fights
Dracula: Banana wha-? GWAH! *gets punched through a wall*
Same here lmao
Why are you here?
Crash and a second Sonic rep will do for me. That's all I want for 3rd parties
GIVE ME IMPA OR GIVE ME DEATH MOUNTAIN
I don't know if "they could be unique in the next game!" argument has a base.
Are not fake joke leaks not allowed in this thread?Hey guys, after so much sweat and tears went into predicting this unpredictable man, Sakurai's formula for choosing playable characters has been leaked at long last.
Fully aware, but there aren't any other main characters who have recurred to that extent still. I know he won't be chosen, but if I had to add one Zelda rep it'd be him. Pretty much everyone else would (to me) feel weird. Either a one-off, unimportant character, or another of version of our triforce we already got.
Shiny...that was just a joke
It's kind of a shame, really. I know there are other factors like dev time and prioritising other, more popular characters, but I think Dark Pit could easily be reworked into a unique fighter. KIU has tons of other weapons to draw from, like staves, clubs, palms etc. Though I wonder, if Dark Pit were made into a unique fighter, would that make people hate him more, or less?
Probably because not everyone wants the same characters and have right to express that.
Somewhat Plausible) While the most revered, he's kind of the Blue Toad of the kirby games. He's not meant to be memorable, but rather a generic 4th player. Star Power is kind of a thing when it comes to SmashVery Plausible) Ubisoft and Nintendo are getting tighter... and Ubisoft did also create a Rayman model for Smash 4... so I bet that there's some chance of him being in... but then again... no leaks are talking about him...
Probably both. Some would like he brings new things to the table, some dislike he wastes development time. Some will hate him regardless, since he has "dark" in his name.
That's what Omega Yato is for.
I just think that reveals may be a bit slower than usual, might hit more in big events and some will be surprises after the game comes out. I am thinking that it will be less than Melee though...
I almost read that as Omega Shenron, because I had no ideal that Corn's sword had a name or even was a chainsaw sword in the first place.
Probably more, people would have a legit argument then for him costing someone else a lot more popular/"deserving"/whatever a roster spot. There is significant dislike for how cloned he is, but the main point of consolation for people who dislike Dark Pit is that he took so little work to create and thus it would have been nothing in his place if he wasn't there.
Between this and the Bill Trinen "closer to December" comment I'm noticing a trend of Smash speculators to completely look past things they don't wanna hear. Even 8 sounds like a push to me.
I guess I just don't find speculating a character for no other reason than they could have another fighters moves slapped on a massively interesting discussion, especially when it devolves into a flame war about the minutiae of e.g. the placement of spines in Shadow the Hedgehog's hair. I'd much rather read people engaged in a passionate discussion about characters they actually like (as opposed to ones they think could be easily moulded onto another character) and what interesting things they can do. The exception for me is generally in a few specific cases who we'd usually speculate as alts anyway (e.g. Dry Bowser, my personal favourite idea for an echo).
And then there's people who deliberately want her as a Sheik clone.
I don't think Sakurai would pass up a potential fighter just because they're an assist trophy, especially if they're popular. I don't think it would even cross his mind. If he wants someone playable, he can make them. This is kind of similar to the Toon Link spirit tracks situation. It would be super easy to just remove the assist trophy or change it. If anything, assist trophies have a better chance at DLC due to being popular and interesting enough to be made into them.
The only characters I actively don't want are Steve or a potential Skyrim character. It's not that I hate them or anything, I just feel they'd look so out of place along side Mario and Pikachu, even more than Snake. Even then though, I've begun to warm up to them. If it makes other people happy, then I can live with it.
There are only three Zelda characters not yet represented that regularly reoccur throughout the series, these being Impa, Tingle, and Beetle. As cool as Beetle is though, I wouldn't consider him as likely as the other two lol. Impa has a descent chance, but I've always been more of an advocate for Tingle. He could be so unique and fun using balloons, rupees, magic, and perhaps other weapons not yet represented from the series. He hasn't been disconfirmed yet either. It's his majoras mask design in Great Bay, while his playable design would most likely be from either wind Waker or his own games. It could be another Alfonso situation. I still can't say he's likely though, mostly due to his hate over here. I also would really like to see Skull Kid as Majoras Mask is my favorite Zelda game, but I'm not holding my breath.
I'd like to see one newcomer definitely not because this is Ashley's big month
King K. Rool: Very LikelyI have a newer game, rank popular wanted characters for Smash Bros on how much of a chance that you personally think they have. This is probably going to lead to heated things, but screw it.
King K. Rool: (Very Likely) He's the new generation's Ridley. The well beloved big antagonistic Rival to the main character. He's big, mean, and would definitely be a nice thing to see in Smash
Ashley: (Rare) While Ashley has a lot of following, the character doesn't really hold enough Star Power for her to be included in Smash. The inclusion of her own assist trophy is notable in her list of achievements, but so did Takamura and Waluigi...
Geno: (Plausible) Geno has been widely asked for ever after Brawl came out, I'd honestly be super ecstatic if he did make it in here because he's the posterboy for wanted Smash Characters. With his costume in Smash 4, it seems like Nintendo knows all about this. I'm hoping that he'd at least be DLC.
Black Shadow: (Rare [For new Character]) (Likely [ For Echo]) Not a popular character overall, but he is the biggest pick out of all of the F-Zero characters for his "Ridley" factor. While not being a huge threat to Falcon (even being humiliated by my boi Deathborn in GX), he is an iconic rival to the racer... which could make him a good echo.
Simon Belmont: (Very Likely) His reasoning kinda follows the DLC fighter's reasonings... He's the MC of a popular Konami franchise. He's also the most well known outside of Alucard or the recently popular Trevor. There's also well backed leakers who are saying that he may be included, so there's a chance that may be true.
Elma: (Plausible) While not a MC of Xenoblade X, she is a popular character from that game. Though a 3rd Party side character has never entered Smash Before, I think that Elma wouldn't be a bad start.
DOOM Slayer: (Rare) DOOM Slayer is too western for the tastes of Smash, he is too American for this game. However, he's the most popular western video game character there is. He's got a lot of credinetlas and charm to him... And let's be real here... you really want to see Mario get a chainsaw to the face..
Isabell: (Plausible) Out of everyone here... she seems to have the least amount of moveset potential... I mean, they could flub it, but it's not fitting to her character. I do think she would be better off as an assist trophy, but leaks have said she would be in... so there's a gathering towards her.
Eggman: (Plausible) While he is very low on lists... I think if there was ever a 3rd Party non MC in Smash... It would be him. His mechs could provide an interesting new creation for Smash Bros, using moves from classic and modern boss battles.
Marx: (Plausible) Marx would be cool and honestly I have a soft sport for him... But he's kind of overshadowed by the appeal for Bandana Dee instead... Which is kind of like asking for Blue Toad from NSMBWii.
Bandana Dee
Rayman
Both. Smash needs a feature to put any song anywhere
If such a feature is added, and they finally add Guile's Theme...
