Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[ClaTheBae]

I'd argue that Dedede is better than Ganon, sides that it checks out

Yeah I think they're around the same level tbh. But I personally have seen better Ganon play then Dedede. Ganon is probably worse though, and I think his "buffs" were really overblown. Dedede has a lot of potential but I don't think people have him down yet.

 

[Sestetz]

I don't understand the K.Rool hate. He's a noob-killer at worst. I honestly dunno what his detractors would do against my Mega Man, because judging their choice of complaints, they'd find someone new to whine about.

It's probably mostly salt (Oh no I got buried and can't mash!), and that it's just popular to rip on him because he's someone most people are playing.

 

[Impa4Smash]

It's so satisfying to scare people into shield with Ridley's scary damage and then hit em with side-b

then again I'm an awful Ridley and lose most matches I use him in but still

I fell in love with that move at E3 and I honestly didn't expect a tipsy friend to yell "I'M MASHING THE **** OUT OF THIS WHY THE **** HE WON'T LET GO"

His side b is terrifying. It’s why I started maining him.

And when you’re playing against him, the anticipation of that move. They did Ridley well

 

[staindgrey]

So. About this direct on Thursday.

What're the chances we see Fire Emblem Three Houses? 'Cause I'm tired of waiting on a release date.

EDIT: Wait. ****. Fool me once, shame on me, but teach a man to fool me, and I will be fooled forever.

 

[ClaTheBae]

Eh hmmm

vs ?
Does have that many options?

Yep. Bowser has faster aerials, and a really good out of shield option. Dedede in his shield is usually in a pretty bad position, as there's not much he can do to someone that isn't in shield grabbing distance.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I think it's
1. DK
2. K Rool
3. Bowser
4. Zard
5. Incineroar
6. Ganon
7. Dedede

in terms of just the super heavyweights

I'll forgive you for Bowser but come on my dude Ganon should be at the top because he has a song that slaps like nothing else

 

[Fenriraga]

Yeah K. Rool is good but he's not "THE BEST" good. His projectile pressure is kinda fake when you figure out how vulnerable he is when throwing them out, mashing out of down throw and down tilt is doable, and his armor breaks pretty easy, but he's still scary.

 

[Sestetz]

So. About this direct on Thursday.

What're the chances we see Fire Emblem Three Houses? 'Cause I'm tired of waiting on a release date.

Direct this Thursday? :eyes: They said this spring, they'll for sure tease some stuff about it. Best bet is another FE direct like they did that one time

 

[Deleted member]

So. About this direct on Thursday.

What're the chances we see Fire Emblem Three Houses? 'Cause I'm tired of waiting on a release date.

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[Pakky]

how it gonna be tasty when I nair fair fair nair nair fair fair fair nair nair nair up-b you to death
(jk but for real if anybody is a hard counter to K.Rool it's Richter and Chrom)

TRUTH.
So I played and got so got damn salty that I just stomped my friend's

"Why is this so easy?" I said

"This isn't even okay" I said

"Shut up and play your stupid croc" he said

"But look at this I just do anything, does even matter!" I said.

" look I can just counter, who cares?" I said.

Easier to get passed though the fight is the hardest thing I have known as other than

annoying but poke em with your toe and they die.

Not impossible HARD AS HELL but not impossible.

 

[Deleted member]

Ridley's Side B is like if Ganondorf's Flame Choke had a baby with DK's Cargo Throw and then the baby ate Sonic's shoes.

 

[KarneraMythos]

It's probably mostly salt (Oh no I got buried and can't mash!), and that it's just popular to rip on him because he's someone most people are playing.

Personally, I think the pitfall mechanic is a bit cheese, but that's a universal thing. I don't get caught in it as often anymore because I know when to expect it. Plus, a lot of K.Rools like to WRRR at the edge and I just wait it out :v

Chrom gets **** on as well for similar reasons, but I'd argue he's a legitimate threat for being so safe and aggressive. He's a lot of fun to fight against as Ike though.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Every time I see a complaint about something in this game in terms of balance, I don’t want to say, “Git gud” as tempting as that is, but I will say that it’s a lot like Chess.

If you see what your opponent is doing, you have to react or continue to be beaten. For example, Little Mac. In order to do damage, Little Mac has to be in your face. Knowing this, you should wait for him to approach, and counter what they do.

For K.Rool, he’s got a good down smash, projectiles, etc. He’s got more for you to deal with, but it’s not impossible. You basically have to know when to go in for an attack and when to back off...that’s really it. Try not to be too close at high percentages either...his grab game is fierce.

It’s much more satisfying to analyze what you did wrong, try again, and then succeed, rather than blame the game for your bad play. There are games I know I should have won, but lost because I didn’t adapt my game or lost a stock lead.

That’s honestly why I prefer buffs to characters rather than nerfs to the characters people get salty at. Sure, K.Rool nerfs would fix the “problem” of K.Rool, but it doesn’t help other characters be better.

For now, I think the roster is pretty well balanced. Jr. could use some work though.

 

[staindgrey]

I think it's
1. DK
2. K Rool
3. Bowser
4. Zard
5. Incineroar
6. Ganon
7. Dedede

in terms of just the super heavyweights

I dunno. In my experience, Ganon should be number two or three with Bowser, behind DK. K. Rool's definitely lower than all three of them.

Plus, sleeping on Dedede. He's got too good of a recovery to be the very bottom.

 

[R O F L]

Wait, there's a direct on Thursday? Idr ever hearing about this.


WELL I hope they announce Pikmin 4 and it better look good. Considering the amount of time between each game, this might be the last one in my lifetime.

 

[ClaTheBae]

I'll forgive you for Bowser but come on my dude Ganon should be at the top because he has a song that slaps like nothing else

I will say that the zelda series has some of the hardest songs in the game

There was a problem fetching the tweet

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The direct on Thursday is a rumour that's probably fake as I don't see people yelling "RESET THE CLOCK!" with that one Reggie gif

 

[Sestetz]

Where's the source for the info on Direct on Thursday? I heard it was from the same one that got the one in September, but there was also an outrageous list of games that were going to be shown on it. Hopefully those two things are separate, because like any Nintendo fan I get hungry for info :'^)

(Is prolly fake but you fools get my hopes up)

 

[ClaTheBae]

I dunno. In my experience, Ganon should be number two or three with Bowser, behind DK. K. Rool's definitely lower than all three of them.

Plus, sleeping on Dedede. He's got too good of a recovery to be the very bottom.

What makes Ganon better than any of the characters above him? And who would you put at the bottom?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

NO NOT INTO THE PIT IT BURNS

the Pit has hot springs and floor ice cream to take care of that

K. Rool needs to be nerfed, Gwen. He's too good, just like Inkling's Roller!

he really doesn’t need a nerf

Landing lag as well.

eat him up badly.

Not bad but rewards good play and makes you wanna eat your hand with bad play.

Online confusing down B and Up B for neutral B doesn't help.

Pit would never eat a K Rool...but would eat a duck or Falco

Ridley's Side B is like if Ganondorf's Flame Choke had a baby with DK's Cargo Throw and then the baby ate Sonic's shoes.

...what

 

[PsySmasher]

Guys... just to be clear:

THERE IS NO DIRECT OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED FOR THURSDAY.

It's just rumors and fake tweets.

 

[Sestetz]

What makes Ganon better than any of the characters above him? And who would you put at the bottom?

Do we count Ike as heavy anymore?

 

[ClaTheBae]

Do we count Ike as heavy anymore?

Not a superheavy. The seven I listen are a part of the "superheavy" weight class. Ike is a heavy, being around the same weight class as Samus and Megaman and whatnot

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Do we count Ike as heavy anymore?

I'm pretty sure Cla means the superheavies

 

[Guynamednelson]

Guys... just to be clear:

THERE IS NO DIRECT OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED FOR THURSDAY.

It's just rumors and fake tweets.

Always check for typos in "NintendoAmerica" and a blue checkmark.

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

My first post here, hi everyone.
What are your dream picks for Smash, regardless of their chances, only your most wanted characters.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Biggest I can remember is that it went from Incineroar-tier speed to middle of the road speed in terms of movement and landing lag.

Where's the original datamined stats compared to from though?

 

[Deleted member]

My first post here, hi everyone.
What are your dream picks for Smash, regardless of their chances, only your most wanted characters.

Zoe Trent from Littlest Pet Shop

 

[ClaTheBae]

My first post here, hi everyone.
What are your dream picks for Smash, regardless of their chances, only your most wanted characters.

Cutie Gwen sis deserves it at this point

 

[Sestetz]

My first post here, hi everyone.
What are your dream picks for Smash, regardless of their chances, only your most wanted characters.

Easy

 

[Cutie Gwen]

My first post here, hi everyone.
What are your dream picks for Smash, regardless of their chances, only your most wanted characters.

First of all heyo! Welcome!

Second, Dante and Shanoa without a doubt. Love what they did for Shanoa's spirit battle though

 

[ClaTheBae]

Easy

what did he mean by this

 

[Sestetz]

what did he mean by this

I forgot how to add gifs, I'm a fool

 

[staindgrey]

What makes Ganon better than any of the characters above him? And who would you put at the bottom?

I'm not really qualified to make an objective assessment. I haven't had significant time against all of them. But Incineroar or Charizard, to me, are at the bottom of the heap. I've had absolutely zero difficulty facing either one of them.

Ganon's like a bad Chrom, in that he can do a fantastic amount of damage with quick aerials but suffers from a poor recovery. He gets wrecked by a DK that can just grab him, jump and toss him off the edge. But I think he has more offensive options and mobility than the other heavies, and unlike the other heavies, I've seen him reaching multiple winners/losers/grand finals in the tourneys I've followed on Youtube. K. Rool is easier to pick up and easier to lose to if you screw up, but I think Ganon has a higher ceiling.

That said, I do not have in-person tournament experience in Ultimate yet, and my opinion is skewed by the best Smasher I know switching from Peach to Ganon in this game and wrecking us on multiple occasions. He really, really likes the new Ganon.

 

[Opossum]

My first post here, hi everyone.
What are your dream picks for Smash, regardless of their chances, only your most wanted characters.

Celica
Crash Bandicoot
Henry Fleming
Caeda
Waluigi
Merric
Starfy
Chandelure
Muddy Mole
Frogger

There's a roundabout top ten filled with mostly never-evers.

 

[Deleted member]

Celica
Crash Bandicoot
Henry Fleming
Caeda
Waluigi
Merric
Starfy
Chandelure
Muddy Mole
Frogger

There's a roundabout top ten filled with mostly never-evers.

Chandelure?
...
Okay then

 

[Impa4Smash]

I will say that the zelda series has some of the hardest songs in the game

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Kass’s Theme is the ONLY song I pick

Okay and Crocodile Cacophony when on DK

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Btw I don't think the leak is real. We probably won't know every character by E3. Although the choices do make sense, like how Ninja Gaiden is one of the few classic third-party games that Sakurai has talked about, he's also talked about Minecraft and it seems likely anyway, and it would make sense for Bethesda to be "rewarded" for their support of the Switch. But somehow it seems too in line with pre-Joker predictions, just with Joker added after he was revealed, when nobody would have "leaked" him before. It just seems too safe and samey, and also the lack of first-party characters is a bit weird, tho possible.

 

[R O F L]

My first post here, hi everyone.
What are your dream picks for Smash, regardless of their chances, only your most wanted characters.

Welcome to SmashBoards, friend. Y'all never said hello when I posted my first post >: (

My most wanted fighter is Louie as a unique character. Besides that, King Boo, Magolor, and Susie would be cool.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

My first post here, hi everyone.
What are your dream picks for Smash, regardless of their chances, only your most wanted characters.

Welcome to the boards!

My most wanted are Dovahkiin (Skyrim) and Tails (Sonic). If I got either or both, I’d honeslty be up for anyone else to join.