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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Masked Marshmallow

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All I hope for this DLC is that at least one of the new characters uses a new weapon not yet in the game. Swords are all the rage with the "cool kids" and all but Lances/Spears/Bows really need some more love.

just don't say the word "deserves" and you should be fine.

did you lurk here for a while before posting?
I've been reading some threads here before joining, mostly this one and the Slime one.
 

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Honestly if I could choose just one character to add, like if massive hero soccer boy approached me and asked me which character to add, I would say Midna.

Rex is pretty likely for the next game/a potential second DLC wave, Elma will probably star in XCX2 giving her extra relevancy, Skull Kid will always have popularity and might make a cameo in the next game, etc etc. All these characters will always have a chance at Smash. Midna is literally a one-and-done character. Not counting spinoffs, she was in a grand total of ONE game that came out on the Gamecube and Wii. I rooted for her during the Brawl days and the Smash 4 days, but I know she'll basically always be in snowglobe prison. And I like her better then any of my "will never happen" characters to be honest. TP holds so much nostalgia for me that its inside of its own special place in my heart.

also the zelda team is too cowardly to ever make another character like midna tbh


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Do you guys think we'll ever get cuts again? I mean imagine the disappointment after they set this precedent for Ultimate
Yes, it's impossible to bring everyone back after this.

So, I'm going to enjoy Ultimate as much as I can.
 

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Imagine calling out Chandelure but not Frogger.
People go on about Crash v Mario and Sonic.
People go on about Link v Cloud
People go on about Pikachu v Agumon.
Hell - some go on about Samus v Master Chief.

But we all know the true all-star match up of the century is Pac Man v Frogger.
 
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My first post here, hi everyone.
What are your dream picks for Smash, regardless of their chances, only your most wanted characters.
Hey! Welcome!

My dream picks are:
- Dragon Quest Hero / Crono
- Mike (StarTropics)
- Doomguy
- Isaac
- Shantae
- Joe Musashi / Ryu Hayabusa
- Shovel Knight
- Tails / Shadow / Knuckles
- Protoman / Bass / Roll
- Medusa
- Kunio Kun
- Gunvolt / Ekoro
 
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Do you guys think we'll ever get cuts again? I mean imagine the disappointment after they set this precedent for Ultimate
Next game is almost guaranteed to have cuts.
Sakurai did say that getting everyone back was one of the more difficult parts of creating this game.
 
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I would say papa john deserves to be in but after his little controversy I think BK is a better fit
mr papa john from papa johns pizza is racist and dumb and mr dominos from Domino's Pizza™ is more iconic anyways
 
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Do you guys think we'll ever get cuts again? I mean imagine the disappointment after they set this precedent for Ultimate
I'd go so far as to say it's inevitable.

Ultimate is in a unique situation in that they were actively planning for it in the post release of Smash For. Nintendo knew the Wii U was a sinking ship and wanted to have a killer new Smash to boost Switch sales in the earlier part of its cycle. This likely went into their character negotiations for characters like Cloud and Ryu, and contributed to the effort put into bringing back Mewtwo, Roy and Lucas as DLC. Ultimate, in many ways, could be seen as an eight year project from Smash 4's development beginning to the end of DLC support for Ultimate. It's been the same team and more or less a continuous project.

The next Smash won't be that. They're going to wait until their next console, then assemble a new dev team, with or without Sakurai, who will need to start from scratch. Even if they use the same game engine and port things up, trying to renegotiate the rights for all these characters and stages and music, etc., will be a nightmare and, after Ultimate's immense success, all of the third parties will want more than they got last time. Nintendo won't see it as worth it.

I genuinely believe that the next Smash will be a reimagining of sorts, trimming the roster down and reworking the base mechanics to make a brand new kind of Smash experience. And then Ultimate will become the new Melee, because it just won't die.
 
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I'd go so far as to say it's inevitable.

Ultimate is in a unique situation in that they were actively planning for it in the post release of Smash For. Nintendo knew the Wii U was a sinking ship and wanted to have a killer new Smash to boost Switch sales in the earlier part of its cycle. This likely went into their character negotiations for characters like Cloud and Ryu, and contributed to the effort put into bringing back Mewtwo, Roy and Lucas as DLC. Ultimate, in many ways, could be seen as an eight year project from Smash 4's development beginning to the end of DLC support for Ultimate. It's been the same team and more or less a continuous project.

The next Smash won't be that. They're going to wait until their next console, then assemble a new dev team, with or without Sakurai, who will need to start from scratch. Even if they use the same game engine and port things up, trying to renegotiate the rights for all these characters and stages and music, etc., will be a nightmare and, after Ultimate's immense success, all of the third parties will want more than they got last time. Nintendo won't see it as worth it.

I genuinely believe that the next Smash will be a reimagining of sorts, trimming the roster down and reworking the base mechanics to make a brand new kind of Smash experience. And then Ultimate will become the new Melee, because it just won't die.
The Ultimate community is not part of the Smash community
 

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I thought we've already seen Jiggles...


lol.

ngl those pics do look awesome though. Even Sonic - if movie Sonic ends up like that, I don't think I'll be too disgusted.
That thing looks pretty diabolical. >_>
 
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thats the main problem with making your mascot a living dude

wait until phil swift is accused of forcibly feeding chalk to pandas or something
I think their first problem was making ****ty pizza.

Y'all are bandwagoners. I was hating on Papa John's before we found out the owner was a huge racist scumbag.
 

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I hope that the next Smash revisits some of the veterans and gives them more updated movesets. Some characters got so many new features in more recent games that not seeing them in Smash feels kinda weird. Like Mario with the new power ups and Cappy, Sonic with the Wisps, Megaman with the Double Gear, etc.
 

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I think their first problem was making ****ty pizza.

Y'all are bandwagoners. I was hating on Papa John's before we found out the owner was a huge racist scumbag.
To me Papa John's had probably the best pizza out of the big 3 (Pizza Hut, Domino's, Papa John's) but I struggle with whether or not I can support such an establishment. This pattern of a good product being produced by a terrible person is something we've seen before. I'd like to propose that Papa John's pizza is the food equivalent of R Kelly. In this essay I will
 

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Lances/Spears/Bows really need some more love.
Despite not believing a weapon makes a character, what about a Kusari Kiseru. Only one character in the whole gaming world uses that.. guess who?
Also, ain't Math/s and Link/s serve that already!
 

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Man, bringing up Orta earlier reminded me that Panzer Dragoon Orta got enhanced for Xbox One.



I think I'm gonna play that tonight. **** it. It's my birthday, I'll do what I want.
 

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So how many days before it's release do you think we'll get calls to nerf Piranha Plant?
Pirahna Plant will be a large heavy with very good range, pretty good speed, multiple projectiles, and a great recovery.
So, a couple days at most.

My first post here, hi everyone.
What are your dream picks for Smash, regardless of their chances, only your most wanted characters.
Heyo!

Missingno for smash.
 
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People have been saying "the next Smash will be a reboot and cut most of the roster" since after Brawl released. I'm not believing it until I see it.
zoroark coming for lucario's spot any day now
This hurts me because Zoroark has always been my most wanted Pokemon in Smash. Though I never once believed Lucario should be cut in order for her to get in.
gen 5 remakes gonna give her relevance again
 

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Everyone shown in my signature plus Sakura Matou from Fate and a Transformers character (or two hundred because there's so many of them, my precious boys).


The best Transformer.
 

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This hurts me because Zoroark has always been my most wanted Pokemon in Smash. Though I never once believed Lucario should be cut in order for her to get in.
gen 5 remakes gonna give her relevance again
I don't see why Lucario needs to be cut to get Zoroark in considering they're from different generations. Also we’d probably need to have gen 4 remakes first which is good news for me.
 
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Do you guys think we'll ever get cuts again? I mean imagine the disappointment after they set this precedent for Ultimate
Sakurai has been pretty clear that "Everyone is Here!" is unfortunately going to be a one time thing. So, we're going to see some cuts, although how many is kind of up in the air. That's why I'm a fan of the idea that Smash should take the Splatoon model of having a smaller base roster that is supported with by regular free updates. Focus on largely on new characters while only bringing back a handful of the most important and popular vets for the initial release. Then, release the cut characters throughout the game's life. This (at least in my opinion) would lead to getting a strong batch of new faces while adding some fanfare to the less popular parts of the roster.
 
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I don't see why Lucario needs to be cut to get Zoroark in considering they're from different generations. Also we’d probably need to have gen 4 remakes first which is good news for me
No Pokemon needs to get cut for another to get in.
 
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