Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Unless Sakurai says something like “Crash Bandicoot will never be in Smash, so stop asking”, i keep my hopes for the character.

Of course, i can accept the possibility of him not getting in since mods and fangames are a thing.

 

[SlickWylde]

Bro , he is a more creative character than Lloyd and Heihachi. No joke here.

Not arguing, just curious: what would you list as things that make him a creative character? Just did a brief search through videos (never played Digimon) and I'm having a hard time finding anything except him slashing and evolving.

 

[Graizen]

Not arguing, just curious: what would you list as things that make him a creative character? Just did a brief search through videos (never played Digimon) and I'm having a hard time finding anything except him slashing and evolving.

See my last post.
And he's a Cyborg T-Rex, simple as that.

 

[Pakky]

Not arguing, just curious: what would you list as things that make him a creative character? Just did a brief search through videos (never played Digimon) and I'm having a hard time finding anything except him slashing and evolving.

To be fair he did just do that .

Just to explain how Agumon works as a character:

Agumon is like a Mario character, Jump, Fire Balls, Punches and Kicks.
He have a Axe as well:

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Greymon is a Bowser type character,
Big, heavy, will try to throw you away and hit with fire.

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MetalGreymon is a charizard type character.
Big, heavy. But he can fly for short periods of time,
can use missiles from his chest and can throw his arm like an anchor similar to Simon's chain.

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WarGreymon is a Marth + K.Rool type of character.
Fast but with strong blows, uses ranged attacks but can also be strong up close.
He can fly and has a huge shield that you can use to defend yourself.

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So imagine as a fire with an axe using with a dash of or by becoming them.

Now that is unique however Heiachi being a heavy to mid weight that causes tripping for combo set up is also unique.

Lloyd I'm looking into because I have never played Tales in my life.

 

[Deleted member]

To be fair he did just do that .



So imagine as a fire with an axe using with a dash of or by becoming them

Agumon is a Marth clone

 

[Deleted member]

Agumon is a Marth clone

I bet he has a counter

 

[Opossum]

The real issue with Agumon is that Gomamon is the superior choice. Smash needs more Pinnipeds.

 

[Pakky]

Agumon is a Marth clone

lol okay that's funny.

I bet he has a counter

Even if he doesn't he will because that's how we're rolling now apparently(makes sense but its just funny )

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Agumon would be good as a second Pokemon Trainer type character where you can digivolve into Greymon and MetalGreymon and back (since that's how digivolving works, it's kind of like Megas in Pokemon, which is kind of convenient actually), and maybe WarGreymon for the Final Smash. So it would be "small fast character, medium-sized character, and big heavy strong character", just like the Pokemon Trainer, which would be cool.

 

[Graizen]

Agumon would be good as a second Pokemon Trainer type character where you can digivolve into Greymon and MetalGreymon and back (since that's how digivolving works, it's kind of like Megas in Pokemon, which is kind of convenient actually), and maybe WarGreymon for the Final Smash. So it would be "small fast character, medium-sized character, and big heavy strong character", just like the Pokemon Trainer, which would be cool.

Hey GirlSquad, let me ask you a question about your idea.

Do you believe that Sakurai can give Agumon the ability to change evolution, and that would make him a unique character, since all the transformations were removed from the game?

 

[osby]

Agumon would be good as a second Pokemon Trainer type character where you can digivolve into Greymon and MetalGreymon and back (since that's how digivolving works, it's kind of like Megas in Pokemon, which is kind of convenient actually), and maybe WarGreymon for the Final Smash. So it would be "small fast character, medium-sized character, and big heavy strong character", just like the Pokemon Trainer, which would be cool.

This is essentially making three characters, so there's no way they'd do that for a third party during DLC.

Hey GirlSquad, let me ask you a question about your idea.

Do you believe that Sakurai can give Agumon the ability to change evolution, and that would make him a unique character, since all the transformations were removed from the game?

"All transformations"? They are talking about Pokemon Trainer in the post you quoted.

 

[Pakky]

So from this

Its like what if wasn't a fatty and another sword?

So imagine but better?

Not a fan of swordies but hell let's give it a go!

 

[NessIsAChad]

I'm trying to think of how it is really different from Mii Gunner, honestly. Or some options among Mii Swordfighter. I'm sure it could be, but this is one of those you need to see the moveset to see how it stands out.

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Speaking of the Gamexplain video, I couldn't tell if they were saying the Geno and Chocobo costumes were confirmed or just theorized as being back in.

it’s called clickbait

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, Agumon's not going to use that axe. Can already tell you that.

Just because they've *used* something before in a game doesn't mean they *will* use it in Smash.
Ike has an axe.
Bayonetta has a ****ton of melee weapons.
Fox used a staff once.
DK has a COCONUT GUN....THAT FIRES IN SPURTS.....
Sonic used a sword once.
etc.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

In terms of Lloyd (who recently i’ve really wanted, mainly because thinking back to ToS I remembered how great that game is), a few of his moves were given to the Mii Fighters. I don’t think it’ll affect his chances at all, but he would be so much fun as a fast combo-fiend.

Just kinda geeking out over it lol.

 

[Pakky]

Yeah, Agumon's not going to use that axe. Can already tell you that.

Just because they've *used* something before in a game doesn't mean they *will* use it in Smash.
Ike has an axe.
Bayonetta has a ****ton of melee weapons.
Fox used a staff once.
DK has a COCONUT GUN....THAT FIRES IN SPURTS.....
Sonic used a sword once.
etc.

Sonic has shields and they're in Smash :D

oh wait D:

Yeah most likely he ain't getting that axe, you right fam.

 

[Deleted member]

As far as Tales of characters go, my preference would probably go to Yuri Lowell, Luke fon Fabre, or Asbel Lhant, but Lloyd Irving would be pretty neat. Tales of characters are perfect for Smash and would translate extremely well, so I wouldn't be too shocked to see that be the Bamco character (if there is one).

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

I dunno. Marvel vs Capcom Infinite seems to say its the opposite.

Casual fans care about the roster more then the hardcore fans.

To be fair, Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 also technically had cuts and less characters than MvC 2...... and yet 3's roster is overall better received.

There's a right way(UMVC3), and an unholy godawful wrong way(Infinite) to do it.

 

[Pakky]

Okay no bull**** what if Kratos?

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

So from this

Its like what if wasn't a fatty and another sword?

So imagine but better?

Oh god, all of his obvious B moves already have names that he shouts, it's like Shulk all over again, he's definitely getting in now.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Hey guys, not sure if this is the best place to put this but I had an idea for a DLC character teaser trailer pop into my head earlier today and I just decided to type it up in the spur of the moment. It’s not that well done but I still want to share it.

Spoiler

The scene opens to an abandoned town covered in dense fog. A crumpled piece of paper can be seen rolling down the street and stops at the edge of a sidewalk.



A faint sound of footsteps and metal dragging/scraping along the ground as the camera slowly zooms in on the piece of paper. The sound grows increasingly louder until a shadow of a humanoid figure with a triangular head looms over the paper.



The dirty, gloved hand of the figure reaches down and picks up the paper. After a momentary pause, the scene cuts to behind the figure, whose shadow was shown earlier, lumbering, with his Great Knife in tow past a large sign that reads “Welcome to Silent Hill”. The camera begins to pan down to the road as either song begins to play (had trouble choosing which one):

Spoiler

Spoiler

On the road, the piece of paper from the beginning of the trailer is seen again but it’s now unfolded, revealing it to be an opened envelope with the wax seal of the Smash Bros symbol still attached.



The scene then cuts to a black screen with the words; DLC Pack “X number”: Pyramid Head.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay no bull**** what if Kratos?

What if Sackboy?

Sly Cooper would also be up there for me, ngl.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Right. We're agreeing. I think we're agreeing.

Also, interestingly enough, Leon has yet to star in any of Capcom's many crossover fighting games. Jill's been in three, Chris three, Wesker 2, Nemesis 2. And yet Leon was the poster boy for all three Capcom-produced CGI movies, RE's only Gameboy game and three numbered mainline titles. It's partially why I feel like if Resident Evil is in Smash, it's going to be Leon.

I dunno. Given how Capcom operate, that sounds more like they don't have the faith in Leon that they do say, Chris, Jill or even Nemesis, for a crossover, let alone Smash.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Hey guys, not sure if this is the best place to put this but I had an idea for a DLC character teaser trailer pop into my head earlier today and I just decided to type it up in the spur of the moment. It’s not that well done but I still want to share it.

Spoiler

The scene opens to an abandoned town covered in dense fog. A crumpled piece of paper can be seen rolling down the street and stops at the edge of a sidewalk.



A faint sound of footsteps and metal dragging/scraping along the ground as the camera slowly zooms in on the piece of paper. The sound grows increasingly louder until a shadow of a humanoid figure with a triangular head looms over the paper.



The dirty, gloved hand of the figure reaches down and picks up the paper. After a momentary pause, the scene cuts to behind the figure, whose shadow was shown earlier, lumbering, with his Great Knife in tow past a large sign that reads “Welcome to Silent Hill”. The camera begins to pan down to the road as either song begins to play (had trouble choosing which one):

Spoiler

Spoiler

On the road, the piece of paper from the beginning of the trailer is seen again but it’s now unfolded. Revealing it to be an opened envelope with the wax seal of the Smash Bros symbol still attached.



The scene then cuts to a black screen with the words; DLC Pack “X number”: Pyramid Head.

Sakurai would never go for such a recognizable boss character, we're going to get "Shambling Nurse" just like Piranha Plant.

 

[NessIsAChad]

Hey guys, not sure if this is the best place to put this but I had an idea for a DLC character teaser trailer pop into my head earlier today and I just decided to type it up in the spur of the moment. It’s not that well done but I still want to share it.

Spoiler

The scene opens to an abandoned town covered in dense fog. A crumpled piece of paper can be seen rolling down the street and stops at the edge of a sidewalk.



A faint sound of footsteps and metal dragging/scraping along the ground as the camera slowly zooms in on the piece of paper. The sound grows increasingly louder until a shadow of a humanoid figure with a triangular head looms over the paper.



The dirty, gloved hand of the figure reaches down and picks up the paper. After a momentary pause, the scene cuts to behind the figure, whose shadow was shown earlier, lumbering, with his Great Knife in tow past a large sign that reads “Welcome to Silent Hill”. The camera begins to pan down to the road as either song begins to play (had trouble choosing which one):

Spoiler

Spoiler

On the road, the piece of paper from the beginning of the trailer is seen again but it’s now unfolded, revealing it to be an opened envelope with the wax seal of the Smash Bros symbol still attached.



The scene then cuts to a black screen with the words; DLC Pack “X number”: Pyramid Head.

Bad and unrealistic idea

Pyramid Head is already an overused character who really shouldn’t have ever came back after SH2.

Right. We're agreeing. I think we're agreeing.

Also, interestingly enough, Leon has yet to star in any of Capcom's many crossover fighting games. Jill's been in three, Chris three, Wesker 2, Nemesis 2. And yet Leon was the poster boy for all three Capcom-produced CGI movies, RE's only Gameboy game and three numbered mainline titles. It's partially why I feel like if Resident Evil is in Smash, it's going to be Leon.

Leon wasn’t even in Mercenaries 3D. I don’t get it

 

[osby]

Okay no bull**** what if Kratos?

It would prove Sakurai bias only allows god-killing characters.

Hey guys, not sure if this is the best place to put this but I had an idea for a DLC character teaser trailer pop into my head earlier today and I just decided to type it up in the spur of the moment. It’s not that well done but I still want to share it.

Spoiler

The scene opens to an abandoned town covered in dense fog. A crumpled piece of paper can be seen rolling down the street and stops at the edge of a sidewalk.



A faint sound of footsteps and metal dragging/scraping along the ground as the camera slowly zooms in on the piece of paper. The sound grows increasingly louder until a shadow of a humanoid figure with a triangular head looms over the paper.



The dirty, gloved hand of the figure reaches down and picks up the paper. After a momentary pause, the scene cuts to behind the figure, whose shadow was shown earlier, lumbering, with his Great Knife in tow past a large sign that reads “Welcome to Silent Hill”. The camera begins to pan down to the road as either song begins to play (had trouble choosing which one):

Spoiler

Spoiler

On the road, the piece of paper from the beginning of the trailer is seen again but it’s now unfolded, revealing it to be an opened envelope with the wax seal of the Smash Bros symbol still attached.



The scene then cuts to a black screen with the words; DLC Pack “X number”: Pyramid Head.

Not Laura? 0/10

Broke:

What if Sackboy?

Sly Cooper would also be up there for me, ngl.

Woke: Fat Princess

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Bad and unrealistic idea

Pyramid Head is already an overused character who really shouldn’t have ever came back after SH2.

Constructive criticism would’ve been nice. Just saying.

 

[NessIsAChad]

Sakurai would never go for such a recognizable boss character, we're going to get "Shambling Nurse" just like Piranha Plant.

imagine being salty about Piranha after 2 months

 

[Graizen]

This Digimon Survive Switch gameplay shows MetalGreymon is action:

 

[NessIsAChad]

Constructive criticism would’ve been nice. Just saying.

I gave you constructive criticism

Pyramid Head was meant to be a unique manifestation for James Sunderland and putting him in a goofy fighting game is disrespectful to the original team’s intention. Stop making these fake trailer posts. They’re cringey and dumb. Sorry if you don’t like hearing that but it’s constructive criticism whether you like it or not.

 

[osby]

Constructive criticism would’ve been nice. Just saying.

I think it was pretty impressive though a bit too scary

Admittedly, I have a bias for human characters in Silent Hill, but I'd like it if they reveal Pyramid Head this way.

This Digimon Survive Switch gameplay shows MetalGreymon is action:

This is just him using Super Missile, though.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

The problem with Capcom is that they're the only videogame company that even comes close to being as genre defining as Nintendo.

Like there's a reason why they and pretty much they alone can do the "Vs. Capcom" shtick.

SEGA could as well.... if they kept much of their series alive and running consistently alongside Sonic,Yakuza, Puyo Puyo and localized them.

C'mon! Bring NiGHTS and Arcadia back from the dead at least!

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

imagine being salty about Piranha after 2 months

I love Piranha Plant, and I actually think that the nurse would be better than Pyramid Head.

 

[ClaTheBae]

I gave you constructive criticism

Pyramid Head was meant to be a unique manifestation for James Sunderland and putting him in a goofy fighting game is disrespectful to the original team’s intention. Stop making these fake trailer posts. They’re cringey and dumb. Sorry if you don’t like hearing that but it’s constructive criticism whether you like it or not.

you have made less than 20 posts and a lot of them are just you being a douchebag. Chill out.

and before you give me some snarky rebuttal, this is just constructive criticism.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

I gave you constructive criticism

Pyramid Head was meant to be a unique manifestation for James Sunderland and putting him in a goofy fighting game is disrespectful to the original team’s intention. Stop making these fake trailer posts. They’re cringey and dumb. Sorry if you don’t like hearing that but it’s constructive criticism whether you like it or not.

I agree that Pyramid Head should’ve been in just Silent Hill 2 but let me at least dream about him being in Smash. Second, this is probably the first trailer post I made and calling it dumb is not constructive by far.

 

[fleshdude.gov]

I gave you constructive criticism

Pyramid Head was meant to be a unique manifestation for James Sunderland and putting him in a goofy fighting game is disrespectful to the original team’s intention. Stop making these fake trailer posts. They’re cringey and dumb. Sorry if you don’t like hearing that but it’s constructive criticism whether you like it or not.

1. I had an idea at one point where Pyramid Head was the fighter but James was in the background at all times a la pokemon trainer, except instead of directing anything or trying to fight they're just cowering in fear. I feel like that'd address that fairly well while also making the character "lighthearted" enough to be implementable (but not too much so).

2. If number one is too goofy, merely have James appear in Pyramid Head's entering battle and victory animations, instead.

3. I understand not wanting to disrespect the original team's intention with the character, but that's not really in their control anymore. It's in Konami's hands now.

4. Calling something "cringey and dumb" does not constitute constructive criticism. Constructive criticism, by its very nature, offers some way to improve the thing being criticized - something you have not done.

 

[Pakky]

Bad and unrealistic idea

Pyramid Head is already an overused character who really shouldn’t have ever came back after SH2.

Canon doesn't matter in Smash.

Also Flyingman is a dream manifestation but you can fight him and dress up like him.

Also PH is in bomberman so... yep nothing matters :D

 

[Deleted member]

My favorite Smash fan argument is "putting X character in this fun crossover fighting game would be a disrespect to the original intention of said character"
I had to hear this about Isabelle a whole lot and, quite frankly, it's really ****ing stupid. It's a game, as long as we're not seeing, say, Isabelle advocating for murder, the character can be in.

Sonic used a sword once.

Man, that FE crossover was wild.

 

[Pakky]

My favorite Smash fan argument is "putting X character in this fun crossover fighting game would be a disrespect to the original intention of said character"
I had to hear this about Isabelle a whole lot and, quite frankly, it's really ****ing stupid. It's a game, as long as we're not seeing, say, Isabelle advocating for murder, the character can be in.

Man, that FE crossover was wild.

but MUH CANON THOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Clearly is just a common enemy

Obviously is TOO BIGGU

AND IS TOO NAKED!!!!
Also WHO???????? He's also too fat! and is a ! I'm not going to go to a wiki, cuz 'No u!'
Not popular or promoted Not even going to look him up because meh!

Lol Konami not getting in. What is a NES?
Answering back to make fun of the past is great!

 

[ClaTheBae]

Why is bowser's canon size so damn inconsistent? Like I know in mario party 5 he drank some mountain dew and got big but is there like an actual reason his size is so ****ing different in each game