Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Just a penguin]

to bad Wario Ware inc doesnt have any good music. Im play on the stage more for the minigames

Yeah, it’s always fun when the taunt mini game appears and you have to choose between getting a buff or attacking your opponent. It’s like the prisoner’s dilemma, where if both taunt, both get an advantage, if one attacks anyone taunting, the attacker has the advantage, and if both attack, both characters have a disadvantage.

 

[Deleted member]

No. They make the game so any low tier trash can do that, so doing it with favorites makes it absolutely NOTHING special. It's like feeling special that you can fit the square block through the square hole in a baby toy.

Any and all characters playable in a game should be able to beat said game. Preventing someone from doing otherwise is just straight up bad game design. This is not an opinion, it's just a fact of how game design should be handled.
Beating a game with your favorite character is a reward of its own and there should be nothing else to it.
Why do you think Pokemon is so successful? It's by allowing players to play however way they want to play, NOT by forcing them to use specific setups to face some "challenge".

Pokemon is not perfect with it, sure, you have Pokemon like Unown which are literally useless but for the most part, you can do whatever you want with it.
Form a team anywhere from just 1 to a full party of 6. Evolve your Pokemon or don't. Slap Hyper Beam on everyone. Build a team that covers each others weaknesses or just go full monotype. It doesn't matter, you can play the game however you want because that's what kids like having: complete freedom.

 

[Wademan94]

I wonder if we'll get a Wario Ware character in the DLC pack that'll bring along Body Rock with them...

It’d be nice to see an original Warioware character make the roster one way or another. Since it seems like Ashley’s out of the running for now, I think the most likely characters could be Mona, Kat & Ana, or 9-Volt

 

[Pyra]

It’d be nice to see an original Warioware character make the roster one way or another. Since it seems like Ashley’s out of the running for now, I think the most likely characters could be Mona, Kat & Ana, or 9-Volt

Regardless of the "but they have a spirit" argument, I'm going to spend about 50 pages laughing if Kat & Ana get in cause people kept getting on my **** for even suggesting such a thing a long time ago

 

[LetterO]

I wonder if we'll get a Wario Ware character in the DLC pack that'll bring along Body Rock with them...

Yes yes please. I'd love any of the WarioWare characters, but I'd really like 9-Volt and Jimmy especially.

 

[Pyra]

complete freedom.

complete freedom is garbage tier and playing that way is just not fun. objectively. not fun. garbage. tier. unviable. ...objectively.

Yes yes please. I'd love any of the WarioWare characters, but I'd really like 9-Volt and Jimmy especially.

My personal pick is Jimmy tbh
I would looooove that

 

[Iridium]

Any and all characters playable in a game should be able to beat said game. Preventing someone from doing otherwise is just straight up bad game design. This is not an opinion, it's just a fact of how game design should be handled.
Beating a game with your favorite character is a reward of its own and there should be nothing else to it.
Why do you think Pokemon is so successful? It's by allowing players to play however way they want to play, NOT by forcing them to use specific setups to face some "challenge".

Pokemon is not perfect with it, sure, you have Pokemon like Unown which are literally useless but for the most part, you can do whatever you want with it.
Form a team anywhere from just 1 to a full party of 6. Evolve your Pokemon or don't. Slap Hyper Beam on everyone. Build a team that covers each others weaknesses or just go full monotype. It doesn't matter, you can play the game however you want because that's what kids like having: complete freedom.

I misread the last two words as "corporate freedom" somehow, and now I want to know what that means. Well, in this context.

 

[Wademan94]

My personal pick is Jimmy tbh
I would looooove that

I’m curious as to what his moveset would be like, I have a pretty good idea for what the other three’s moves could be like.

 

[ZephyrZ]

This is what we wanted to see.

I have no regrets showing this off.

This is terrifying.

Anyway, the title of the video is misleading. That's actually not a glitch, it's a trick done intentionally to keep the character's face from clipping through Wario when he bites them without having to unload and then reload it. I'm still constantly surprised by just how powerful the camera is to let us see this stuff though.

 

[Pyra]

I’m curious as to what his moveset would be like, I have a pretty good idea for what the other three’s moves could be like.

Blue hair. Marth clone.

Er, nah, but a disco based moveset would be incredible

 

[Iridium]

This is terrifying.

Anyway, the title of the video is misleading. That's actually not a glitch, it's a trick done intentionally to keep the character's face from clipping through Wario when he bites them without having to unload and then reload it. I'm still constantly surprised by just how powerful the camera is to let us see this stuff though.

I'll call this one molecular disassembly.

I don't remember it looking like this in Smash 4, but whatever.

 

[Deleted member]

This is what we wanted to see.

I have no regrets showing this off.

Ridley is by far the best one; got a good chuckle from that.

DK, Charizard and Dedede are nightmare fuel.

Luigi got SWOLE.

Diddy Kong needs to lay off the bananas for a while.

Sonic looks like one of those weird, cheap toys.

PAC-MAN IS ANGRY. PAC-MAN SMASH.

Bowser Jr. looks like a fat baby.

DHD looks like a roasted turkey.

K. Rool has become a planet.

Isabelle looks...uh...

 

[kirbsmash]

Any thoughts on GSP, guys? It's a bit too harsh if you LOSE, you lose a lot of points.

 

[Pyra]

Any thoughts on GSP, guys? It's a bit too harsh if you LOSE, you lose a lot of points.

i don't care too much about it. i only play in arenas anyway lol

 

[Opossum]

I wonder how Opossum feels about being considered both one of the strongest and loathed characters in the game.

Godhood is neat.

I meant the way he expressed his respect to Persona. He did that somewhat similarly to Fire Emblem.. after the over inclusions, saying he likes the games and finished them all n what not. I get Persona, but his Fire Emblem comments felt like an excuse for Nintendo. I still think it was a bad call, nothing is changing that now however.

Well, who cares. His Yusuke comment gave me new hope for Goemon.

Are we seriously at the point where we're gatekeeping Sakurai by saying he doesn't like Fire Emblem as much as he claims he does? What the ****.

The guy who reclassed Wrys to a Swordmaster in Shadow Dragon for no reason beyond the fact that it was possible apparently doesn't actually like Fire Emblem, guys. Yikes indeed.

 

[staindgrey]

We've got enough Zelda assists...

Now if that came with promoting an existing Zelda assist (Midna) to playable, then sure, great idea.

Yes.

 

[Gentlepanda]

This is what we wanted to see.

I have no regrets showing this off.

AYAYAYAYAYA

 

[Idon]

Any thoughts on GSP, guys? It's a bit too harsh if you LOSE, you lose a lot of points.

It's better than nothing, but that's not saying much.

 

[Deleted member]

Any thoughts on GSP, guys? It's a bit too harsh if you LOSE, you lose a lot of points.

I'm pretty much not caring about it. The rules around it are super janky and make no sense, not to mention there is no separation from 1v1 no items and FFAs. Both raise and lower it, and that's really dumb IMO. Each mode should have its own separate ranking.

Then there's Elite Smash. Yeah...it's dumb. There is no set cap on how much GSP you need; in fact, it's constantly rising for some characters. You see, depending on how popular your character is and how successful others are with them will determine how much GSP you will need for Elite Smash. One character could only need 1.5, while another needs above 2.0. It baffles me how we got this weird point-and-score system when we already have a competitive Nintendo game with a perfectly normal ranking system in Splatoon.

If I ever get Elite Smash, then neat, I guess. TBH, though, I'm personally not worrying too much about it.

 

[staindgrey]

Godhood is neat.

It wears off. At least, for me it did. I mained Cammy though SFA/3/4, and as soon as EVERYONE played her in SFV I gradually jumped ship onto my former secondary, Juri. (A ship that has been sinking this entire time because she's just not very good.)

I dunno. I get tired of playing dittos all the time and not feeling like I have a character that's mine. I'm already starting to feel that way playing Lucina. So many Marth-clone dittos online. (Luckily of my friends locally I'm the only one who plays a Marth clone seriously.)

 

[Deleted member]

It wears off. At least, for me it did. I mained Cammy though SFA/3/4, and as soon as EVERYONE played her in SFV I gradually jumped ship onto my former secondary, Juri. (A ship that has been sinking this entire time because she's just not very good.)

I dunno. I get tired of playing dittos all the time and not feeling like I have a character that's mine. I'm already starting to feel that way playing Lucina. So many Marth-clone dittos online. (Luckily of my friends locally I'm the only one who plays a Marth clone seriously.)

For as popular as Inklings are right now, I haven't fought a single ditto in Quick Play. I kept running into Mr. Game & Watches, which surprised me.

 

[Gentlepanda]

It wears off. At least, for me it did. I mained Cammy though SFA/3/4, and as soon as EVERYONE played her in SFV I gradually jumped ship onto my former secondary, Juri. (A ship that has been sinking this entire time because she's just not very good.)

I dunno. I get tired of playing dittos all the time and not feeling like I have a character that's mine. I'm already starting to feel that way playing Lucina. So many Marth-clone dittos online. (Luckily of my friends locally I'm the only one who plays a Marth clone seriously.)

play ryu and enjoy 90% of the playerbase forgetting your character exists

 

[staindgrey]

For as popular as Inklings are right now, I haven't fought a single ditto in Quick Play. I kept running into Mr. Game & Watches, which surprised me.

Really? I've yet to find a G&W, actually.

The characters I play against most by far on Quick Play are . Interestingly, aside from K. Rool, they're all humanoid/anime characters.

 

[Deleted member]

The guy reclassed Wrys to a Swordmaster in Shadow Dragon for no reason beyond the fact that it was possible

Sakurai is truly a legend of his own.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Now I've got TF2 Halloween on the brain thanks to all these tiny heads

"AUCH! ME HEAD! It's wee... It's a wee head."

 

[osby]

Really? I've yet to find a G&W, actually.

The characters I play against most by far on Quick Play are . Interestingly, aside from K. Rool, they're all humanoid/anime characters.

Wow, it's almost like people complaining about realistically proportionate characters are a vocal minority

I remember seeing a ridiculous amount of Isabelles one time, like five people back-to-back.

 

[Blargg888]

Really? I've yet to find a G&W, actually.

The characters I play against most by far on Quick Play are . Interestingly, aside from K. Rool, they're all humanoid/anime characters.

Huh, aside from K. Rool, the characters I run into most are Isabelle and Ness.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I run into a lot of  on quickplay personally. Sometimes I'll run into a Snake that hardly even uses his traps and projectiles which is kind of strange. You'd think that people who didn't know how to play him at his fullest would at least know how to throw grenades.

 

[Deleted member]

Really? I've yet to find a G&W, actually.

The characters I play against most by far on Quick Play are . Interestingly, aside from K. Rool, they're all humanoid/anime characters.

I get a lot of Snakes, too.

I then lose, because fighting Snake is hard for me.

 

[Deleted member]

Haven't played enough to find a consistent character but I found, like, 3 Ridleys yesterday and 2 Chroms

I run into a lot of  on quickplay personally. Sometimes I'll run into a Snake that hardly even uses his traps and projectiles which is kind of strange. You'd think that people who didn't know how to play him at his fullest would at least know how to throw grenades.

I'm bad at zoning so the most I do with Snake's specials is set up a C4 since I can never use Grenades effectivelly.
I'm trying to learn when to use and not use projectiles though.

 

[Idon]

I'm a huge fan of games with cool humanoid characters so that's the body type I stick to.

The only exception would be a hypothetical Amaterasu because goddamn that's the sickest dog-god I've ever seen.

Actually wait, does Midna count as humanoid? Either way, I'd play her.

 

[staindgrey]

Huh, aside from K. Rool, the characters I run into most are Isabelle and Ness.

You know, now that you mention it, I've seen a decent amount of and . Not a ton, but more than I expected.

To clarify, I haven't played for a week because we wrapped up our sixth episode on my Youtube channel last weekend, then there was the whole Christmas thing. The community character choices have probably shifted a lot over the course of a whole week.

 

[osby]

I'm bad at zoning so the most I do with Snake's specials is set up a C4 since I can never use Grenades effectivelly.
I'm trying to learn when to use and not use projectiles though.

When NOT to use? You are playing Snake, not Robin, spam those grenades!

please don't, I can't deal with them

 

[LetterO]

I rarely see Falco and Snake on Quickplay.

But when I do, they're pretty good at giving me a beating.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Haven't played enough to find a consistent character but I found, like, 3 Ridleys yesterday and 2 Chroms

I'm bad at zoning so the most I do with Snake's specials is set up a C4 since I can never use Grenades effectivelly.
I'm trying to learn when to use and not use projectiles though.

Is your opponent off stage?
Yes? Nikita
No? Well get then off stage you ****

 

[staindgrey]

When NOT to use? You are playing Snake, not Robin, spam those grenades!

please don't, I can't deal with them

Meanwhile. On my side of the platform.

Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow. OW. SNAKE, STAHP. ****.

 

[Deleted member]

When NOT to use? You are playing Snake, not Robin, spam those grenades!

please don't, I can't deal with them

I can't either and that was what killed me yesterday when I fought this really good Snake as Damus. At least I learned a lot of things about him but I can't grasp the concept of "spam grenades if they're far away, stop using them if they try to approach"

 

[osby]

Is your opponent off stage?
Yes? Nikita
No? Well get then off stage you ****

This sounds like one of those tutorials, only in reverse.

 

[DrCoeloCephalo]

Any and all characters playable in a game should be able to beat said game. Preventing someone from doing otherwise is just straight up bad game design. This is not an opinion, it's just a fact of how game design should be handled.
Beating a game with your favorite character is a reward of its own and there should be nothing else to it.
Why do you think Pokemon is so successful? It's by allowing players to play however way they want to play, NOT by forcing them to use specific setups to face some "challenge".

Pokemon is not perfect with it, sure, you have Pokemon like Unown which are literally useless but for the most part, you can do whatever you want with it.
Form a team anywhere from just 1 to a full party of 6. Evolve your Pokemon or don't. Slap Hyper Beam on everyone. Build a team that covers each others weaknesses or just go full monotype. It doesn't matter, you can play the game however you want because that's what kids like having: complete freedom.

How the heck is it bad game design to get players to think to use stronger options to beat harder things in the game? The very existence of levelling up in an RPG completely refutes your argument because if that were the case, you wouldn't level up your Pokemon at all since it gives them the option of having better stats to beat the game easier by being stronger. While it's true you can solo a Pokemon game with a level 100 Caterpie, you're certainly never going to do that with level 2 Caterpie. Guess Pokemon is badly designed since if level 2 is your favorite level, you can't beat the game with a Pokemon at that level. Besides, even if that was bad game design, plenty of games that lock all options behind postgame are automatically bad, then. For instance, if your favorite Pokemon is a Legendary that you can't get until after beating the story, then I guess Pokemon is a badly designed game since it literally makes it so you're not allowed to beat it with that favorite Pokemon you aren't allowed to have yet.

Any RPG that isn't Pokemon honestly has way more freedom to offer since the monsters tend to have way more skillslots, numerous fusion paths, and bigger and more open worlds while Pokemon generally puts you on a straight lined path.

 

[Blargg888]

You know, now that you mention it, I've seen a decent amount of and . Not a ton, but more than I expected.

To clarify, I haven't played for a week because we wrapped up our sixth episode on my Youtube channel last weekend, then there was the whole Christmas thing. The community character choices have probably shifted a lot over the course of a whole week.

I think people are starting to figure out that PK Freeze is really good in this game.

I just figured it out yesterday, I cheesed my opponents with it, hard.

It's not broken, but it's pretty good.