Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Bionichute]

**** I FORGOT WENDY

smash has a lot of ladies in it!

 

[Noipoi]

Am I the only one who thinks it’s weird Pokémon don’t have more sexual dimorphism? Like, I understand why they don’t from a development perspective but... it just looks weird to me for certain Pokémon. Especially Incineroar.

I kinda agree, but most female Incineroar fan designs have been...less than ideal.

Just cuz she's a girl doesn't mean she can't be ripped!!!

Spoiler: This one's alright though

 

[Deleted member]

That makes sense. The Inkling girl's design is actually really good. If it was a game where the main character had a set design like Mario, she'd fit the mold perfectly.

TBH all of the character designs in Splatoon look super good. Part of why I adore that series is its aesthetic; it's just so perfect to me, lol. Probably helps that I grew up with Spongebob and Finding Nemo, so I already had a love for sea creature characters because of those things.

Interesting that you bring up Mario, though, considering Splatoon was almost a Mario game! I wonder if that influenced some of the character designs at all? A lot of Splatoon's characters would fit right in with Mario, which is probably why people do cross-over stuff with them so much. It just works, and TBH I'd love to see Nintendo do an actual cross-over with the two someday. Maybe through amiibo gear in Splatoon 3?

 

[R208]

Playable Smash Girls:
Samus
Dark Samus (Officially referred to as a she)
Female Pikachu/Pikachu Libre
Jigglypuff
Peach
Daisy
Nana (playable in half of the Icies alts)
Sheik
Zelda
Lucina
Zero Suit Samus
Leaf
Female Villager
Wii Fit Trainer
Rosalina
Palutena
Robin
Corrin
Bayonetta
Inkling
Isabelle
Mii Gunner uses a female Mii for official art, and is the default when you unlock her in WoL
if you want to get technical any of the other pokemon characters besides mewtwo could be female

Spiky-eared Pichu is female, as per: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Spiky-eared_Pichu

 

[Bionichute]

smash ultimate has 23 playable female characters, only a few of which are even somewhat sexualized. this is probably the most progressive fighting game in the world, which unfortunately is still not saying much

anyway dj octavio should have been a boss in ultimate

R208 ****

 

[SnakeFighter64]

TBH all of the character designs in Splatoon look super good. Part of why I adore that series is its aesthetic; it's just so perfect to me, lol. Probably helps that I grew up with Spongebob and Finding Nemo, so I already had a love for sea creature characters because of those things.

Interesting that you bring up Mario, though, considering Splatoon was almost a Mario game! I wonder if that influenced some of the character designs at all? A lot of Splatoon's characters would fit right in with Mario, which is probably why people do cross-over stuff with them so much. It just works, and TBH I'd love to see Nintendo do an actual cross-over with the two someday. Maybe through amiibo gear in Splatoon 3?

ArtsyOmni’s SplatShine concept anyone?

 

[Noipoi]

TBH all of the character designs in Splatoon look super good. Part of why I adore that series is its aesthetic; it's just so perfect to me, lol. Probably helps that I grew up with Spongebob and Finding Nemo, so I already had a love for sea creature characters because of those things.

My love of character design and sea creatures drew me to this game in the first place. That and "You're a kid now, you're a squid now!"

 

[Deleted member]

I kinda agree, but most female Incineroar fan designs have been...less than ideal.
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Just cuz she's a girl doesn't mean she can't be ripped!!!

Spoiler: This one's alright though

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That first one makes Incineroar look like FNaF fanart.

The second one is really dang cool and reminds me of Tigress from Kung Fu Panda.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

i mean probably but i'm just saying. i guess the pokemon are just gender neutral characters?

well pokemon trainers pokemon could be either sex because those 3 dont have differences between sexes. Lucario has that deep voice that that cant be a chick and mewtwo has no sex in game

 

[Bionichute]

well pokemon trainers pokemon could be either sex because those 2 dont have differences between sexes. Lucario has that deep voice that that cant be a chick and mewtwo has no sex in game

a lady can't have a deep voice???

 

[Wademan94]

Actually interesting we switched to this topic because something I realized when working on movesets for Cynthia’s Pokémon is that most of her Pokémon (including the ones that I think are Smash viable) are canonically female (stats for Platinum):

Meaning adding her would make three more playable female fighters in one, four altogether.

Aside from that the only other female characters off the top of my head that I want in Smash are Dixie Kong and Shantae even though they’re both Spirits.

 

[Noipoi]

a lady can't have a deep voice???

There's a lady having a deep voice, and then there's Goku.

Spoiler

Which is funny because Goku is voiced by a woman in Japan.

 

[Bionichute]

i mean obviously most of the pokemon are designed to be male in smash bros, that's just very obvious, BUT you can think of them however you want as long as there's no definitive gender trait (and even then they can just be trans lol)

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

a lady can't have a deep voice???

Lucario sounds like hes been smoking 10 packs of cigs a day and even women can do that
So yeah, its possable

 

[praline]

Am I the only one who thinks it’s weird Pokémon don’t have more sexual dimorphism? Like, I understand why they don’t from a development perspective but... it just looks weird to me for certain Pokémon. Especially Incineroar.

So you’re saying you want female Incineroar to have boobs?

 

[SonicMario]

Interesting that you bring up Mario, though, considering Splatoon was almost a Mario game! I wonder if that influenced some of the character designs at all? A lot of Splatoon's characters would fit right in with Mario, which is probably why people do cross-over stuff with them so much. It just works, and TBH I'd love to see Nintendo do an actual cross-over with the two someday. Maybe through amiibo gear in Splatoon 3?

I remember a joke Mario timeline thing that was kind of poking fun at the Zelda timeline that said Splatoon happened after Mario failed in Super Mario Sunshine heh.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

So you’re saying you want female Incineroar to have boobs?

No. Real cats don’t. Take inspiration from real female big cats.

 

[Iridium]

Lucario sounds like hes been smoking 10 packs of cigs a day and even women can do that
So yeah, its possable

You reminded me of this.

Peppy sounds like he's on the verge of certain doom every time he talks.

 

[Zinith]

No. Real cats don’t. Take inspiration from real female big cats.

Then of course there's Gardevoir...

And Salazzle

 

[Deleted member]

I remember a joke Mario timeline thing that was kind of poking fun at the Zelda timeline that said Splatoon happened after Mario failed in Super Mario Sunshine heh.

I always knew Bowser Jr. would destroy us all.

What I never expected was that the Bloopers would be the ones to pick up the pieces...

 

[Bionichute]

i really feel like at least the starters should have gender dimorphism. they're your big marketing pokemon, have em appeal to everyone

 

[Noipoi]

Then of course there's Gardevoir...

And Salazzle

Male Salazzle don't exist.

And Gardevoir is a case of a design element being taken way too far. It's meant to be a feminine guardian angel, everyone just focuses on the feminine part.

 

[Zinith]

Male Salazzle don't exist.

You missed the point there Noi...

 

[Noipoi]

i really feel like at least the starters should have gender dimorphism. they're your big marketing pokemon, have em appeal to everyone

Instead now they have one very masculine starter, one very feminine starter, and one in the middle.

You missed the point there Noi...

Did I? I haven't been sleeping recently...

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Did somebody say Gardevoir?

The way I see it, Gardevoir are designed with a feminine touch but were originally intended to be androgynous. Like Tolkien's Elves.

Then the internet happened and The Pokemon Company deiced to role with it by adding the male counterpart Gallade and taking waifu culture too seriously with Mega Evolution.

 

[Bionichute]

Instead now they have one very masculine starter, one very feminine starter, and one in the middle.

oh yeah i forgot about trans lady primarina

on that note forget that, we don't need gender dimorphism for the starters

 

[Iridium]

Did somebody say Gardevoir?

The way I see it, Gardevoir are designed with a feminine touch but were originally intended to be androgynous. Like Tolkien's Elves.

Then the internet happened and The Pokemon Company deiced to role with it by adding the male counterpart Gallade and taking waifu culture too seriously with Mega Evolution.

Why do male Gardevoir actually exist?

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

oh yeah i forgot about trans lady primarina

on that note forget that, we don't need gender dimorphism for the starters

but pokemon...cant be... they cant...be

 

[Noipoi]

Why do male Gardevoir actually exist?

Because Gamefreak never intended for it to go this far.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Why do male Gardevoir actually exist?

Because Legolas was a dude.

 

[PsySmasher]

So we’re talking about female characters in Smash and Pokémon?

...OK

*Insert obligatory KOS-MOS/Elma/Edelgard support here*

As for Pokémon gender differences, I think they try to minimize the actual scale of differences between genders to prevent one from standing out over the other (unless they are identified separately on the Pokédex)

Either that or they just design a Pokémon with one gender in mind and they either tack on the other gender or exclude it.

 

[Noipoi]

The best Pokemon gender differences are Wobuffet and Torchic.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Because Legolas was a dude.

That was a great answer

 

[Bionichute]

but pokemon...cant be... they cant...be

they're fictional characters you can do anything with, including making them trans

but canonically all primarina are ladies

 

[Noipoi]

The project i'm working on involves Pikachu and Yoshi having a heated debate about the economy.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

but canonically all primarina are ladies

where you get this?? If it was in the pokedex i must of missed it because i dont remeber ever seeing this

 

[Will]

they're fictional characters you can do anything with, including making them trans

but canonically all primarina are ladies

i dont think nintendo designed them this way to be argued over

 

[ZephyrZ]

I never really cared much for pokemon genders. They're a very minor feature in the main series and rarely have any impact on their actual traits. If they announced that Smash Charizard was canonically female tomorrow I'd be 100% cool with it. It's still Charizard to me either way. Heck, if they announced Smash Incineroar was I'd still be completely okay with it (and also find it kind of funny).

Male Gardevoir has never really bothered me either, mostly because I'm not at all attracted to it. I don't find the idea of a guy in a dress particularly disturbing either.

 

[Pyra]

The project i'm working on involves Pikachu and Yoshi having a heated debate about the economy.

i can mark this down as a thing that was in my brain today

 

[Troykv]

BTW; it's essencially confirmed all of the characters part of the Challenger Pack are Third Party?