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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Conversely, we need to come up with the Duck Hunt Tier after the Ganondorf Tier from Brawl.

Holy crap, Duck Hunt is unplayable!
 

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When :ultincineroar: wed

Does the son have wrestle the father for the daughter's hand in marriage?

If not then Pokémon cultural is trash.
 
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Anyways, anyone have tips for a scrub that struggles against edge guarding?
Wait, you want to recover? What are you, a casual? Go play kiddy games like Brawl or die while trying to return to stage like everyone else.

No idea, my only strategy is using characters that can teleport
 
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Anyways, anyone have tips for a scrub that struggles against edge guarding?
Mixup your recovery whenever you can. You go for the same recovery option every single time and you'll get read like a book.

Basically just upB/sideB at different times of you can.
 
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Lifelight is pretty solid. Not great, but I think it fits the intro footage they have and the feel of the adventure mode. The game itself? Eeeeh, not so much but I'm giving it a pass for one reason:

They. actually. tried. with. the. intro.

It actually flows well with the song, they had to record new footage in-engine, and make it all work in a timely manner. Smash 4 and Brawl was clearly a rushed quick job. Here? They tried, and I think it is a great intro for "Everyone is Here!"

Especially Smash 4...it starts with the most random footage ever. Ultimate starts with Mario. That's how it should be.
I'm still wondering how they pulled off the "two trainers summoning three pokemon at the same time" bit.
 
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Thank you all. See you in 2019! :3
Oh **** I'm sorry Professor Pumpkaboo Professor Pumpkaboo I forgot about you
Thank you so much too
 

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Conversely, we need to come up with the Duck Hunt Tier after the Ganondorf Tier from Brawl.

Holy crap, Duck Hunt is unplayable!
he doesn't seem unplayable at all? it seems more like the glitches are more accidental discoveries than things that come up frequently, since i've never found any of them while playing as him

and i'm willing to bet that the new update probably fixed some of them
 

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Lifelight is pretty solid. Not great, but I think it fits the intro footage they have and the feel of the adventure mode. The game itself? Eeeeh, not so much but I'm giving it a pass for one reason:
im pretty offended by you implying that the game is at all bad
 

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Conversely, we need to come up with the Duck Hunt Tier after the Ganondorf Tier from Brawl.

Holy crap, Duck Hunt is unplayable!
Duck Hunt has always kind of been a difficult character to play, but being difficult to play doesn't necessarily equate to being bad. There's a reason opinions were torn so much on him in 4. You have to really know what you're doing with him in order to get any mileage out of him.
 

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im pretty offended by you implying that the game is at all bad
Nothing to do with the game's quality. The lyrics are for World of Light, not the overall experience of Smash.

But yes Ultimate does have faults, like any other game. Definitely an improvement on Smash 4, however.
 

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okay that makes sense, but i also disagree with that. the lyric version maybe, but i think the instrumental is awesome
I personally think Japanese version sounds a lot better, which is unsurprising, it's hard to localize songs.
 

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I personally think Japanese version sounds a lot better, which is unsurprising, it's hard to localize songs.
i think its impressive how well they localized it, even if it isn't perfect

Wyoming Wyoming sorry, you kind of worded it weirdly in the original post
 
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Duck Hunt has always kind of been a difficult character to play, but being difficult to play doesn't necessarily equate to being bad. There's a reason opinions were torn so much on him in 4. You have to really know what you're doing with him in order to get any mileage out of him.
In Smash 4, I was able to get some mileage out of him as a decent fighter, but in Ultimate, I just cannot get into the groove of fighting as him at all. Most of the mechanics seem off, and I rarely, if ever, see anyone use the character online in battles. Most Smash users likely have come to the consensus that Duck Hunt is unplayable, it seems.
 
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In Smash 4, I was able to get some mileage out of him as a decent fighter, but in Ultimate, I just cannot get into the groove of fighting as him at all. Most of the mechanics seem off, and I rarely, if ever, see anyone use the character online in battles. Most Smash users likely have come to the consensus that Duck Hunt is unplayable, it seems.
1. duck hunt generally feels fine to me? granted i never played as him a lot in either game, but i did really well in classic with him

2. there's 74 characters and duck hunt is still one of the hardest characters to learn, of course not a lot of people are playing as him
 

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In Smash 4, I was able to get some mileage out of him as a decent fighter, but in Ultimate, I just cannot get into the groove of fighting as him at all. Most of the mechanics seem off, and I rarely, if ever, see anyone use the character online in battles. Most Smash users likely have come to the consensus that Duck Hunt is unplayable, it seems.
It's a whole different game, give yourself some time. Also I never saw anyone saying they're unplayable (also I hate that term). If they don't play as them, how they know they are "unplayable"?
 

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in addition, duck hunt has a lot less appeal than the other hardest to learn character, inkling, and lost a lot of the novelty of his existence from smash 4 to ultimate

duck hunt is a character you have to really like playing as to stick with
 

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In Smash 4, I was able to get some mileage out of him as a decent fighter, but in Ultimate, I just cannot get into the groove of fighting as him at all. Most of the mechanics seem off, and I rarely, if ever, see anyone use the character online in battles. Most Smash users likely have come to the consensus that Duck Hunt is unplayable, it seems.
He's not unplayable, but you don't feel like you're progressing with him. In the time it took me to figure out his basic mechanics this game, I got good at juggling with Ridley and using the dragon's godawful dair
 

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Well guys, here we are. I have to go in 10 minutes.

I just want to thank you guys for putting up with me, even when I've been intolerable. scoobymcsnack scoobymcsnack Pakky Pakky osby osby Dyllybirdy Dyllybirdy Arymle Roseanne Arymle Roseanne thank you guys for being nice people in general, Noipoi Noipoi TMNTSSB4 TMNTSSB4 Pyra Pyra Ramen Tengoku Ramen Tengoku thanks for making me laugh, KingofKoopas KingofKoopas @JDCabrera Condenir Condenir drag0nscythe drag0nscythe Kuon Kuon NineS NineS kirbsmash kirbsmash Graizen Graizen praline praline RyuhoFox RyuhoFox Bee Card Bee Card thanks for being such good friends.

And finally, a humongous thanks to Zinith Zinith and StellerRJay StellerRJay . You guys brighten up my day every single time I can talk with you.

Thank you all. See you in 2019! :3
Oh **** I'm sorry Professor Pumpkaboo Professor Pumpkaboo I forgot about you
Thank you so much too
You're alright :D Many :ultisabelle::ultisabelle::ultisabelle: hugs

Go forth with us into the new year :3
 
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Well guys, here we are. I have to go in 10 minutes.

I just want to thank you guys for putting up with me, even when I've been intolerable. scoobymcsnack scoobymcsnack Pakky Pakky osby osby Dyllybirdy Dyllybirdy Arymle Roseanne Arymle Roseanne thank you guys for being nice people in general, Noipoi Noipoi TMNTSSB4 TMNTSSB4 Pyra Pyra Ramen Tengoku Ramen Tengoku thanks for making me laugh, KingofKoopas KingofKoopas @JDCabrera Condenir Condenir drag0nscythe drag0nscythe Kuon Kuon NineS NineS kirbsmash kirbsmash Graizen Graizen praline praline RyuhoFox RyuhoFox Bee Card Bee Card thanks for being such good friends.

And finally, a humongous thanks to Zinith Zinith and StellerRJay StellerRJay . You guys brighten up my day every single time I can talk with you.

Thank you all. See you in 2019! :3
Thanks! And, see you in the New Year! ;)
 
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I'm well aware of "progression". I know about understanding character weaknesses, such as how characters like Little Mac and Simon/Richter have awful aerial recoveries, yet I have managed to begin working out those kinks and have developed working out means to avoid getting into unfavorable situations, but I still stand by Duck Hunt being "unplayable" because there's rarely any situation that favors Duck Hunt.
 
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