Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[PlugMeister]

GameFAQs users saying that SmashBoards sucks is one of the most hilariously ironic things I have ever seen in my entire life.

 

[PLATINUM7]

That's the way it works.

You see Krystal, you think "she's kind of oddly attractive, but I dunno. That muppet face isn't doing it for me..."
Then you look her up on google images and...you know what happens.
Suddenly, invigorated by very "interesting" interpretations of Krystal, a furry is born!

I'm not even trying to make fun of anybody, that's just how it happens. At least in the cases i've observed.

Is that what happened to you?

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Primarina will get their time to shine, just like Chikorita, Empoleon, Infernape, and Chesnaught before it

 

[Noipoi]

Is that what happened to you?

NO.

Spoiler

A little. I'm not a super furry or anything but I won't lie, Lola bunny looks like a snack sometimes.

Primarina will get their time to shine, just like Chikorita, Empoleon, Infernape, and Chesnaught before it

Chesnaught got shafted, dude. It's a shame.

Chespin was so cute, too. With it's little hoodie.

 

[KMDP]

All this talk about Eeveelutions, and I'm just here thinking about how until now all the Eeveelutions have been for the Special Attribute types (back when moves were Physical/Special based on type and not what they actually did).

Water, Electric, Fire, Psychic, Dark, Grass and Ice were all Special Attribute, Dragon-type was also Special, and was the only one Eevee didn't get an evolution for.

Until Fairy was introduced, there was actually a slight imbalance in the types towards Physical, it can be safely assumed that Fairy-type, had it been introduced in Gens 1-3, would have been Special. Which means the "rule" for Eeveelutions still holds up.

Where's the Dragon Eevee, Game Freak!?

 

[ZephyrZ]

No, see a character bein sorta interesting isn't even guaranteed. The first instance of this is Lucario. He's literally just a puncher and kicker with a few energy moves. They made him more interesting because they gave him Rage and called it Aura. Greninja? Literally just a water Pokemon. Were they popular? Yeah. Because that's what The Pokemon Company is shoving in their movies, trading cards, anime, etc. Inceneroar is the first TRULY interesting Pokemon character we've gotten gameplay wise since Pokemon Trainer and wouldn't you know it Pokemon Trainer was chosen on his own merits.

So, why does Pokemon have to have a new character? We know there's a new Zelda coming. Why not a new Zelda character? We know there's a new Mario coming. Why not a new Mario character? Star Fox? Metroid? DKC? Kirby? No, just Pokemon.

Eh I think you undersell Lucario and Greninja both. Maybe I can see where your coming from with Lucario he still was our first "martial arts master" before Ryu and his moveset has a much different feel to it then, say, Mario's. It's also worth noting that he uses palm strikes rather then punches, which is only a minor difference but still worth noting. I suppose I can still see how someone finds him boring though.

Greninja however is far from your typical water type, he's nothing like Squirtle for instance. His moveset is more inspired by his ninja theme, using water to conjure katanas, shurikens and kunai while also having tricky moves like Substitute (admittedly just another counter, but one with a theme) and Shadow Sneak. Being a ninja gives him a good run while being a frog gives him crazy jumping capabilities that make him, imo, really fun to play. Yet despite that he feels almost nothing like Sheik. I'm also someone who doesn't like Greninja's character design but I think the only reason he seems kind of boring is because most of the other newcomers added in 4 were really gimmicky in comparison.

Edit: Also the reason Pokemon gets special newcomer privileges while Mario and Zelda don't is probably because Pokemon adds like a gajilleon potential fighters with every new generation. Not that a Zelda newcomer isn't overdue.

 

[KarneraMythos]

Krystal and Carmalita got several generations of kids into furry butts. Fox and Sly got kids into the other kind.

The closest example of my first furry crush is Medli. I still like her a lot. I also played the first Sly Cooper and the third one.

 

[Noipoi]

All this talk about Eeveelutions, and I'm just here thinking about how until now all the Eeveelutions have been for the Special Attribute types (back when moves were Physical/Special based on type and not what they actually did).

Water, Electric , Fire, Psychic, Dark, Grass and Ice were all Special Attribute, Dragon-type was also Special, and was the only one Eevee didn't get an evolution for.

Until Fairy was introduced, there was actually a slight imbalance in the types towards Physical, it can be safely assumed that Fairy-type, had it been introduced in Gens 1-3, would have been Special. Which means the "rule" for Eeveelutions still holds up.

Where's the Dragon Eevee, Game Freak!?

It'd kinda fit in another way too.

Back when Eeveelutions were introduced in pairs, one was always super effective over the other. Umbreon over Espeon, and Glaceon over Leafeon.

If a Dragon eeveelution is introduced next year, it would be weak to Sylveon.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Can't forget beak girl.

But in terms of anthro Zelda characters, BotW added some top tiers. Mainly Kass and Sidon, although I mostly like Sidon because his personality is really endearing and nice

Kass is mostly because of the fluffy chest and juicy drumsticks. Oh, and because I love listening to his theme.

 

[Shroob]

No, see a character bein sorta interesting isn't even guaranteed. The first instance of this is Lucario. He's literally just a puncher and kicker with a few energy moves. They made him more interesting because they gave him Rage and called it Aura. Greninja? Literally just a water Pokemon. Were they popular? Yeah. Because that's what The Pokemon Company is shoving in their movies, trading cards, anime, etc. Inceneroar is the first TRULY interesting Pokemon character we've gotten gameplay wise since Pokemon Trainer and wouldn't you know it Pokemon Trainer was chosen on his own merits.

So, why does Pokemon have to have a new character? We know there's a new Zelda coming. Why not a new Zelda character? We know there's a new Mario coming. Why not a new Mario character? Star Fox? Metroid? DKC? Kirby? No, just Pokemon.

I mean, we do have a new Mario character coming, and Metroid doubled its character count this game, which I'd consider fairly good.


The fact of the matter is, Pokemon is Nintendo's golden goose, on par or even ahead of Mario in some cases, and Smash is the big crossover game of the company, it only makes sense that it'd get special treatment above all else. It's just something you kind of have to accept.

 

[Iridium]

All this talk about Eeveelutions, and I'm just here thinking about how until now all the Eeveelutions have been for the Special Attribute types (back when moves were Physical/Special based on type and not what they actually did).

Water, Electric, Fire, Psychic, Dark, Grass and Ice were all Special Attribute, Dragon-type was also Special, and was the only one Eevee didn't get an evolution for.

Until Fairy was introduced, there was actually a slight imbalance in the types towards Physical, it can be safely assumed that Fairy-type, had it been introduced in Gens 1-3, would have been Special. Which means the "rule" for Eeveelutions still holds up.

Where's the Dragon Eevee, Game Freak!?

Just waiting until we simply get them all. We still have 10 to go (if we even count a plain Normal-type). I do want to see a Steel Eevee or Ghost Eevee soon.

 

[Noipoi]

Can't forget beak girl.

But in terms of anthro Zelda characters, BotW added some top tiers. Mainly Kass and Sidon, although I mostly like Sidon because his personality is really endearing and nice

Kass is mostly because of the fluffy chest and juicy drumsticks. Oh, and because I love listening to his theme.

I gotta wonder if it's on purpose.

Like, obviously making creatures that resemble us humans but aren't exactly human is a tale as old as time. And seeing as how most humans feel sexual attraction it'd make sense that at a certain point in history the two would kind of bleed together in some cases. But in this day and age where sexy animal people is just a fact of life on the internet, do they design some characters with that group in mind? Definitely not all, but some?

I think so.

 

[Shroob]

I gotta wonder if it's on purpose.

Like, obviously making creatures that resemble us humans but aren't exactly human is a tale as old as time. And seeing as how most humans feel sexual attraction it'd make sense that at a certain point in history the two would kind of bleed together in some cases. But in this day and age where sexy animal people is just a fact of life on the internet, do they design some characters with that group in mind? Definitely not all, but some?

I think so.

We have a Pokemon built around the "Please step on me" fetish.

Of course they know what they're doing.

 

[Will]

after having doubt in my previous main, i somehow got a 10 win streak and at least half of them were a combination of SDing and ragequitting

mac is back baybee

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

I gotta wonder if it's on purpose.

Like, obviously making creatures that resemble us humans but aren't exactly human is a tale as old as time. And seeing as how most humans feel sexual attraction it'd make sense that at a certain point in history the two would kind of bleed together in some cases. But in this day and age where sexy animal people is just a fact of life on the internet, do they design some characters with that group in mind? Definitely not all, but some?

I think so.

We were just talking about Lopunny's design choices and then Salazzle's harems, so yeah, I'd say it's sometimes very intentional.

Rouge the Bat from Sonic? People undermine her, but she introduced jiggle physics to the Sonic world and considering the edgy pre-teen fanbase they were appealing to, that probably turned lots of kids into furries.

They knew what they were doing giving her breasts and an actually legal age that's rare for Sonic characters

 

[lightdrago]

It’s just nice to see people liking Incineroar now. The speculation scene wasn’t the kindest. But just like Sun and Moon, show a little personality and they’ll instantly love ya.

 

[osby]

Greninja however is far from your typical water type, he's nothing like Squirtle for instance. His moveset is more inspired by his ninja theme, using water to conjure katanas, shurikens and kunai while also having tricky moves like Substitute (admittedly just another counter, but one with a theme) and Shadow Sneak. Being a ninja gives him a good run while being a frog gives him crazy jumping capabilities that make him, imo, really fun to play. Yet despite that he feels almost nothing like Sheik. I'm also someone who doesn't like Greninja's character design but I think the only reason he seems kind of boring is because most of the other newcomers added in 4 were really gimmicky in comparison.

Substitute is hardly your average counter. You can aim its direction + Substitute doll.

Though, I agree, sometimes people undersell more basic characters in Smash for like

It’s just nice to see people liking Incineroar now. The speculation scene wasn’t the kindest. But just like Sun and Moon, show a little personality and they’ll instantly love ya.

Yep. And don't forget that Smash fandom is generally very open to, um, manly characters.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

GameFAQs users saying that SmashBoards sucks is one of the most hilariously ironic things I have ever seen in my entire life.

You and those users are neighbours and are throwing stones at each other's glass houses

Also you guys went from racism to furries while I was working so I now have several questions

 

[Noipoi]

It’s just nice to see people liking Incineroar now. The speculation scene wasn’t the kindest. But just like Sun and Moon, show a little personality and they’ll instantly love ya.

That's just how it is for him.

Everyone cries and pleads and screams and scratches and bites and begs for him not to be in the game. But once he's in the game it's "Y'know, he isn't so bad."

 

[Will]

That's just how it is for him.

Everyone cries and pleads and screams and scratches and bites and begs for him not to be in the game. But once he's in the game it's "Y'know, he isn't so bad."

Do you think they cared about how he would play, or him just being playable in the first place? I'm pretty sure the "he isn't so bad" is all about the former.

 

[Shroob]

I will say though, I think Metroid is arguably as good as it can be in regards for representation unless Sylux really is the major antagonist of Prime 4.

Outside of Mother Brain who's more fit for a boss role, and THEBABYTHEBABYTHEBABY, there aren't any characters I can think of in all of Metroid unless you go for joke suggestions like Adam.

 

[N3ON]

It’s just nice to see people liking Incineroar now. The speculation scene wasn’t the kindest. But just like Sun and Moon, show a little personality and they’ll instantly love ya.

The personality isn't new, showing up in Smash is. There's your key variable.

I mean people are behind Piranha Plant now.

 

[Noipoi]

Do you think they cared about how he would play, or him just being playable in the first place? I'm pretty sure the "he isn't so bad" is all about the former.

It was both in a lot of cases. Several people thought he'd be a generic "fighter" character that barely incorporated any wrestling themes in his moveset or mannerisms. And a lot of people just didn't want him cuz they didn't like him, which is fair I suppose.

 

[osby]

I will say though, I think Metroid is arguably as good as it can be in regards for representation unless Sylux really is the major antagonist of Prime 4.

Outside of Mother Brain who's more fit for a boss role, and THEBABYTHEBABYTHEBABY, there aren't any characters I can think of in all of Metroid unless you go for joke suggestions like Adam.

That's blatant Anthony Higgs erasure

 

[Double K]

You and those users are neighbours and are throwing stones at each other's glass houses

Also you guys went from racism to furries while I was working so I now have several questions

5 goddamn times we tried to move away and 5 times, someone thought it was a case of "why boycott the game?"

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Though I will say that Scoot Cawthon adding sexualization to Chica is really freakin' weird considering the lore behind why those animatronics even have sentience. I thought at least the creator would understand that, but uh... he just kinda provided more material for those NSFW artists and all to work with.

Speaking of, Freddy Fazbear for Smash?

i would actually cry if he gpt in; both laughter and sadness.

 

[Noipoi]

That's blatant Anthony Higgs erasure

Shroob didn't remember him.

 

[KingBroly]

I will say though, I think Metroid is arguably as good as it can be in regards for representation unless Sylux really is the major antagonist of Prime 4.

Outside of Mother Brain who's more fit for a boss role, and THEBABYTHEBABYTHEBABY, there aren't any characters I can think of in all of Metroid unless you go for joke suggestions like Adam.

Well, have I got a surprise for you, because Sylux is totally going to be the main antagonist of Prime 4, because Tanabe loves him so, even though it should have been Weevil.

Oh, and they could do Mother Brain, if they want bring up all of the bad Other M memories again. Because Nintendo can't take a hint.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Do you think they cared about how he would play, or him just being playable in the first place? I'm pretty sure the "he isn't so bad" is all about the former.

I wasn't too keen on Incineroar being playable because its design doesn't do much for me. I turned around when I saw the trailer because it just oozed personality in it. Then I played Incineroar and was back at square one because I can't stand how it plays.

 

[Shroob]

As for Incineroar's hate, his moveset was never really the issue people had with him in the first place, pretty much everyone(I assume) knew he'd be a wrestler.

Incineroar had this to deal with:


"Why the hell would we get Incineroar? Decidueye/Mimikyu/Lycanroc are wayyy more popular/promoted/have better designs"

And then outside of superficial stuff like that, you also had:

"You're only saying he's in because of Virgin-bin"

or

"You're just a box-theorist CUCK"


Vergeben leaking him and not one of the community's 3 most wanted Gen 7s was a double whammy of hate thrown at him.

 

[Double K]

Well, have I got a surprise for you, because Sylux is totally going to be the main antagonist of Prime 4, because Tanabe loves him so, even though it should have been Weevil.

Oh, and they could do Mother Brain, if they want bring up all of the bad Other M memories again. Because Nintendo can't take a hint.

Well, have I got a surprise for you, because Sylux is totally going to be the main antagonist of Prime 4, because Tanabe loves him so, even though it should have been Weevil.

Oh, and they could do Mother Brain, if they want bring up all of the bad Other M memories again. Because Nintendo can't take a hint.

Twist: It's Captain N Mother Brain

 

[Luigifan18]

Twist: It's Captain N Mother Brain

DON'T GIVE ME ANY OF THAT LIP

Sorry, Lip.

 

[Noipoi]

Though I will say that Scoot Cawthon adding sexualization to Chica is really freakin' weird considering the lore behind why those animatronics even have sentience. I thought at least the creator would understand that, but uh... he just kinda provided more material for those NSFW artists and all to work with.

Speaking of, Freddy Fazbear for Smash?

i would actually cry if he gpt in; both laughter and sadness.

I'm fairly sure it was a joke. That game was made three months after the first one, and during that time the fanbase exploded. And when a fanbase explodes, rule 34 explodes. It's especially weird because these are dead children possessing creepy chuckie cheese robots, two of the most unsexy things ever. I think Toy Chica's curvy figure is a jokey reference to that weirdness.

 

[Shroob]

Well, have I got a surprise for you, because Sylux is totally going to be the main antagonist of Prime 4, because Tanabe loves him so, even though it should have been Weevil.

Oh, and they could do Mother Brain, if they want bring up all of the bad Other M memories again. Because Nintendo can't take a hint.

Which would be great, I like Sylux's design.


But then begs the question of how will this batch of DLC be handled, which is anyone's guess.

 

[osby]

Well, have I got a surprise for you, because Sylux is totally going to be the main antagonist of Prime 4, because Tanabe loves him so, even though it should have been Weevil.

Oh, and they could do Mother Brain, if they want bring up all of the bad Other M memories again. Because Nintendo can't take a hint.

I'm pretty sure Mother Brain showed up in other games beside Other M.

 

[KingBroly]

Which would be great, I like Sylux's design.

But then begs the question of how will this batch of DLC be handled, which is anyone's guess.

I think the second DLC character will give everyone a better idea of what's going to happen.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

I'm fairly sure it was a joke. That game was made three months after the first one, and during that time the fanbase exploded. And when a fanbase explodes, rule 34 explodes. It's especially weird because these are dead children possessing creepy chuckie cheese robots, two of the most unsexy things ever. I think Toy Chica's curvy figure is a jokey reference to that weirdness.

Yeah, but then Ultimate Custom Night and the cutscenes having a yandere Chica and stuff? It's just a bit weird. I mean, I know it's likely not canon or an AU, but still.

 

[N3ON]

Re: Incineroar, it was never lack of personality or lack of potential (literally people acknowledged how there could finally be a grappler-centric fighter), it was that people didn't like the character and/or expected more popular choices to be selected.

This wasn't even that long ago...

 

[Shroob]

I'm pretty sure Mother Brain showed up in other games beside Other M.

He means in a playable capacity.

The OG Mother Brain is an Assist Trophy and Super's Mother Brain is, I hate to say it, too ****ing big.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

I gotta wonder if it's on purpose.

Like, obviously making creatures that resemble us humans but aren't exactly human is a tale as old as time. And seeing as how most humans feel sexual attraction it'd make sense that at a certain point in history the two would kind of bleed together in some cases. But in this day and age where sexy animal people is just a fact of life on the internet, do they design some characters with that group in mind? Definitely not all, but some?

I think so.

Well I hate to ask this but is it okay to be a furry, I'm not speaking about myself(I'm more like a sane version of this kid when it comes to cutesy animals plus I don't believe in fictional crushes) I just know a lot of people get on them in regards to bestiality...