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It's still great to see he has some form of representation as a boss though.
Oh God Marx you freaky demon I love you.
At first I was sad. Marx would have been dope.
For stocks (usually 3) most people go for 5-6 minutes.
ok you gave me two options here
Doesn't matter.
At the cost of 30 minutes of your life.
and i'll be the reason for it because i'm too far away from my modem
Considering the staggeringly-low amount of my Most-Wanted in lists that contain Namco characters, I know how you feel. It sucks not being considered. Here's to hoping you guys get Geno, be it in this Fighter's Pass, or another if we get more beyond the 5 that Reggie solidified.
Oh boy! [rubs palms together with excitement] So glad we're back to THIS discussion ever since Joker dropped, because everyone loves talking about Stingy Square-Enix's Second fighter!
I'm juggling ideas in my head where the most likely candidates for Smash right now can follow up on two principles if need be: How they would receive invitations in their universe, and which genres/milestones we have yet to cover in Smash. There's still a few out there that Sakurai may want to explore. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the Fighter's Pass is made up of Joker, two Square-Enix reps, and two Namco reps. Bam, 3 characters per 3rd-party franchise in Smash so far. Sure, that means no Doomguy, Travis, or Banjo, but the sheer popularity of the choices can warrant a Fighter's Pass 2. There's still room for icons out there.
Personally, I have high doubts about another Square rep until I'm proven otherwise, but assuming Square would like to stick a different guest character in each crossover, we can probably check off characters like Noctis and 2B. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if either are considered anyway, and that's if the whole leaked list is a bunch of bogus.
I wonder what would have happened if the series never had Toriyama's influence over the character designs. It's still interesting how a rep is possible, and how it would be the closest thing to having Goku in Smash, but that's if Erdrick is even considered over Slime and Luminary. DM me some stuff these guys can do. I'm interested in what we might get if we do get a Dragon Quest rep.
A case for the "western relevancy" argument: A character shouldn't be considered for Smash just because they're well-known in a region of the world. I feel it's enough that we have Mario and Pikachu in the roster to sway most of the casual fanbase. Deeper down in the iceberg are the actual fans of the Smash series, and by that, I mean people who stick to the games and not give up on them in a week or so like casual console owners do. I'm indifferent to Dragon Quest itself, but I don't think its low presence in the West is a mark against it. That goes for any franchise so long as it's popular enough in one region.
As someone who's been following the franchise's growth from afar, I feel like I'd be going full circle with Sora's inclusion in Smash. He's also memed as a suggestion as much as Cloud used to be, and we got him. There's another disadvantage he has though, and it's Kingdom Hearts III being Sony-exclusive. It's possible that the port could be a timed-exclusive, otherwise why promote a game the Switch won't have? With Joker included in Ultimate, Persona 5 is all but confirmed on the Switch (eventually). It's reasonable to believe that Sora's latest game will follow suit.
I'll say it one last time, so assume that all arguments toward a character's recognizability world-wide applies to any candidates below: A character should not be denied consideration for Smash just because Tiny Terry, Grandma Smith, and Rambunctious Randal from the grocery store at the corner haven't heard of them. We have all of the heavy-hitters with casuals and most fan-favorites are already in the game (if we're still talking about world-wide popularity here). Geno has no issue with the general userbase because it's the nature of Smash to promote characters that people haven't heard of.
I think the most likely outcome if we get a Final Fantasy character is one that evokes more of the classic vibes from the originals. Sephiroth just seems the least likely out of all of them, since he would be the first unique character repping as a second newcomer from the same game. I have nothing against the idea of it since I support character choices like Chun-Li for the same reasons, but Sephiroth feels a tad redundant. Bartz, Onion Knight, and Terra just seem more interesting in comparison, and this is coming from someone with no history with the franchise.I'm condensing every possible Final Fantasy fighter into one for the sake of my own sanity, as there are so many possible fighters here. So, I'm going to be arguing for the series' merits and then listing some characters I believe could be our second Final Fantasy rep if we get one.
Final Fantasy is Square Enix's flagship franchise, selling over 144 million units as of March 2018. That's a little under double that of Dragon Quest, Square Enix's next best selling series. This also shows in the promotion that the series receives, such as the aforementioned Noctis in Tekken, Assassin's Creed in Final Fantasy XV, and Behemoth in Tekken (see Background - Why a Square Enix Character?) alongside, you know,. Sakurai even acknowledged this within the Nintendo Dream Interview by calling it
So, it would be a safe pick for Square Enix to go for another Square Enix series, given the long history the series has with Nintendo and the many iconic characters within the series. However, with that many characters, who would they choose next? I have four ideas:
Bartz Klauser
Protagonist of Final Fantasy V for the SNES, mentioned within the same interview as Cloud by Sakurai, who remarked that a moveset about switching jobs could be "interesting." Sakurai has previously dropped things within interviews that were prominent, such as how Castlevania impacted him similar to the Legend of Zelda and how excited he was to play Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow prior to Simon's reveal.
Onion Knight
Mentioned within the same interview as Bartz, but isn't as likely given that it was Japan-exclusive until 2006.
Terra Branford
A little bit of personal speculation on my part, but given how Final Fantasy 6 is often held as one of the best JRPGs of all time and is prominently on Nintendo console, it would make sense for her to be our second Final Fantasy pick.
Sephiroth
Final Fantasy 7 is already on the table given Cloud's inclusion, so it'd be relatively easy to secure the character rights for him. Sephiroth is one of the most iconic villains in all of gaming history, and anyone who knows about Cloud will know about his age old rival Sephiroth.
Despite it being Square Enix's flagship franchise and having a bevy of characters to choose from, there are barriers to inclusion for a Final Fantasy character. For one, the way that licensing for Final Fantasy is handled scatters the rights to music and different components among the creators of those works. This leads to what could be costly licensing fees for Nintendo, to the point where it's simply not worth to negotiate for music. Additionally, no precedent for a series having two unique characters exists. While this is nothing but a fan rule that could easily be shattered, it's still worth noting, especially when both Bayonetta and Joker—both owned by Sega—got in over another Sonic character.
While I certainly wouldn't discount the inclusion of another Final Fantasy character given that the series is notably historic and iconic, I also wouldn't see it as the most likely scenario.
Lara Craft feels weird, from an aesthetic point of view. She feels like a movie character first, and her toolkit is pretty basic outside of spy movie tier acrobatics. I honestly dunno what I'd feel about having her in Smash, but I am not going to count her out of it.
I know a Gexaholic since the Brawl days. Still friends with that rascal. It'd be funny if he ends up getting him for real though.
Very true. If Square Enix wants to promote both/either Crono and Geno, they would need to tie in a game that will grab people's interests in the characters so that their presence is justifiable. Otherwise, how could you possibly learn about them if their games aren't (going to be) available as well? Promotional stuff should work for the developer and the userbase.
Neku is a Dark Horse pick, personally. I know a few friends who would be jazzed to have him playable. He's honestly the next best thing if Sora doesn't make it in.
So you're saying Agnès still has a chance then. I don't see why relevance is an issue when Bravely Default 3 could still happen. Hell, the first two games can see a port in the Switch if they want to advertise her. If Joker's entrance is any indication, accompanying ports just make a lot of sense.
Uhhh, no? Where the hell did you get that from? If anything, Joker's inclusion changed the tides of speculation. It opened the gateway to the idea that 3rd-party reps can get into Smash even if they're seemingly absent on Nintendo systems, so long as there are plans to promote that character's game within the Switch's life cycle. Like Joker, 2B's inclusion would imply a NieR: Automata port to the Switch.
Controversial Opinion:
yes, why?
About time.
I also found out Inkling's Down-Smash can hit on ledge.
Cause Mythos said
That reminds me, I saw a clip op Mewtwo going from 0% to 96% because K.Rool reflected a point blank Shadow Ball
It'd make reflectors kinda pointless, though.
Eh, you can reflect them, but all six of them have other projectiles, so yeah, it gets annoying regardless.
You can't say that and leave out the fact Belmonts can chuck an axe or holy water at you while you try to dodge
K. Rool is honestly one of the most versatile characters on the roster with the sheer amount of variety in his kit. I see a very bright future for K. Rool.
CTRL+F is your friend! Also, I edited my original comment so everything is where it should be =_=;
Good.
Not everyone has a reflector. My mains don't, so I have to deal with them through normal means.
Oh if the post was primarily just about the Belmont's would have talked about way more then just their axes and holy water. Everything about them just makes them a pain to fight.
It isn't a "Do it with Zelda" challenge, it just unlocks a Zelda related picture
