Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[CrusherMania1592]

I really don't want Steve, but I'm more than prepared for it

But the build all the way back in August seems fishy. I think it's a prototype to trick fans over

 

[Deleted member]

In case anyone's still surprised.
VGA announcement emminent.

They mention that’s its just a rumour and prediction. It’s obviously gonna happen, but still.

I'm not going to pretend to know how Nintendo prioritizes their work and I don't think you know either. I can confirm to you that based on the information that has been given to me, there was at the very least a test build of the game with a very early version of Steve in it back in August.

We do know that development had started on DLC prior to the game going gold as Piranha Plant was revealed and seemed to be well on it's way to completion prior to the game going gold.

Thanks for clarifying!

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I'm not saying that any of the characters on this list wouldn't make money as DLC.
But when you work w/ a 3rd party, you do have to pay them a portion of the DLC profits.
Doing that for all the DLC characters wouldn't make too much sense though.
Especially since there are still 1st party characters they can use and make 100% profit off of them.

You gotta weigh it against the fact that the characters Nintendo has left have relatively low public recognition. It’s either make 100% of a small amount of money or make 50-60% of a gigantic amount of money. You gotta weigh those two factors and see which one yields the best result. That’s not something we can figure out really either. It’s all how Nintendo’s execs think and we cannot know that 100%. We can guess. But we can’t know how they’re gonna go.

 

[Deleted member]

In case anyone's still surprised.
VGA announcement emminent.

SPAWN WAVE'S CIRCLE CLAIMS ANOTHER TICK ON THE STREAK BOYS.

 

[Untouch]

Piranha Plant feels like it was supposed to be a character in at launch, but development circumstances led to it not making the launch deadline, so they cut it and are giving it away as free DLC if you preorder.

 

[Deleted member]

This is a very long way of saying "Shadow is more popular but I prefer Tails".

Eh, push comes to shove; I'd rather play as Knuckles, even if he is a bonehead. I'm just explaining how the chances of getting a playable Tails are pretty low.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

No there isn't. If the leak is fake it's fake.

The claim they make may be true but the leak can still be 100% fake

A distinction without a difference

 

[PsySmasher]

Not really.
Piranha Plant was playable with little to no Bug except graphical ever since and August/September build.

My problem with this was mainly the fact that a Fighters Pass DLC character was worked on in August.
Yes, I know exists, but that was advertised separately from the other 5 DLC characters.

And considering Sakurai said that none of the 5 are being worked on until after the base game is completed, I get VERY suspicious about claims like these.

 

[Deleted member]

ACTUALLY WAIT A MINUTE, HOLD ON Y'ALL.

NateDrake said Metroid Prime Trilogy would be released in February next year and that exact same Amazon listing has it scheduled for early 2019.

I'M ****ING TELLING YOU, THESE GUYS HAVE NARDWUAR LEVELS OF SOURCES.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

My problem was with this was mainly the fact that a Fighters Pass DLC character was worked on in August.
Yes, I know exists, but that was advertised separately from the other 5 DLC characters.
And considering Sakurai said that none of the 5 are being worked on until after the base game is completed, I get VERY suspicious about claims like these.

I mean. People tend to hate DLC unless it’s 100% extra and separated from the base game. He could have said that just to save face. Heck. Him saying that the list has been decided could have just been that the final contract was finally signed after three months.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

In case anyone's still surprised.
VGA announcement emminent.

Lol
Didn't Marcus Sellars of all people, "predict" this?
Actually, I think he just had a lucky guess...

 

[Deleted member]

ACTUALLY WAIT A MINUTE, HOLD ON Y'ALL.

NateDrake said Metroid Prime Trilogy would be released in February next year and that exact same Amazon listing has it scheduled for early 2019.

I'M ****ING TELLING YOU, THESE GUYS HAVE NARDWUAR LEVELS OF SOURCES.

Again, the listing literally just says they’re putting it up cause of the rumour.

 

[xenother]

My problem with this was mainly the fact that a Fighters Pass DLC character was worked on in August.
Yes, I know exists, but that was advertised separately from the other 5 DLC characters.

And considering Sakurai said that none of the 5 are being worked on until after the base game is completed, I get VERY suspicious about claims like these.

Care to provide a link to Sakurai saying that?

 

[Bionichute]

I mean. People tend to hate DLC unless it’s 100% extra and separated from the base game. He could have said that just to save face. Heck. Him saying that the list has been decided could have just been that the final contract was finally signed after three months.

yeah the dlc has probably been in the works/planned out since maybe near when development started

 

[Untouch]

My problem with this was mainly the fact that a Fighters Pass DLC character was worked on in August.
Yes, I know exists, but that was advertised separately from the other 5 DLC characters.
And considering Sakurai said that none of the 5 are being worked on until after the base game is completed, I get VERY suspicious about claims like these.

I don't think he actually said that, but interviews say that he doesn't work on DLC until the game launches.

 

[Nekoo]

My problem with this was mainly the fact that a Fighters Pass DLC character was worked on in August.
Yes, I know exists, but that was advertised separately from the other 5 DLC characters.

And considering Sakurai said that none of the 5 are being worked on until after the base game is completed, I get VERY suspicious about claims like these.

And back in June, Nintendo said there wasn't any plan for DLC for Smash Ultimate, yet talks were already starting for a long time for some company.
I'm not calling it a lies.
But it's a VERY COMMON PRACTICE to say "Oh, we're not working on DLC" when you have a team working on it and planning it.

So it wouldn't be surprising if it's what happened.

 

[Deleted member]

Care to provide a link to Sakurai saying that?

Here you go
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...with_nintendos_bill_trinen_and_nate_bihldorff
I mean it’s a clear white lie, but it’s there.

 

[Luigi The President]

Even with all this I don't quite get why only 3 leakers have discussed Steve as being in.

 

[Latyon]

You're putting way too much weight on yourself.

I know who Malos is, but I agree with the other guy that I wouldn't expect anyone else to know who he was.

 

[PsySmasher]

Care to provide a link to Sakurai saying that?

Alright. You want proof?

The November 1st Smash direct:

Skip to 32:30.

 

[SonicMario]

The problem is, at least in "Modern" Sonic games, Tails's role has downgraded so badly, it's not even funny. But, then again, most of the Sonic characters have to the point where the plot of Sonic Forces pretty much was "Sonic's captured?! Welp, we're boned!" where Tails was crapping himself at the sight of a Phantom Ruby copy of Chaos 0 when he easily defeated Chaos 4 in Sonic Adventure. The previous main story in the series made him the "damsel" in distress.

This isn't a bunch of angsty teenagers writing garbage Five Nights at Freddy's fanfiction; these are grown men who have worked with these characters for years who suddenly decided to prioritize shifting gears every time a new game comes out because they're afraid of how the internet is going to react and think "We need to push the hedgehogs more" like WWE did with Roman Reigns before his leukemia came back.

Most likely, Shadow would be the 2nd Sonic character to be selected, due to ease and also relevancy due to how pushed he still is in the games. Sonic Mania was far more popular and beloved than Sonic Forces, but Sonic Team still wants you to support Sonic Forces-like projects, where characters like Tails are jokes, and will likely not be granted an opportunity to be playable in Smash Bros..

I am not discouraged by Forces at all in regards to Tails. It was simply the writing team restricted to only Sonic, The Avatar, and just a few bonus Shadow levels which was a gameplay limit on the writing team. It's regrettable, but I don't think writing Tails to be a coward just because he wouldn't be playable this game is going to strike the fact that he's a long-standing character. Shadow had not been focused at all in between Post-2006 until Forces where Tails still made regular appearances. Hell Tails along with Knuckles got Mii Costumes in Smash 4 while Shadow didn't.

And the general public is more familiar with Tails then Shadow. Tails will always be Sonic's own Luigi, that's a legacy that can't be denied as being significant. As not many game characters can actually boast a Luigi kind of legacy.

The only reason Shadow would get in before (and in this hypothetical situation it's only Shadow) Tails is if they just don't have the time to give Sonic 3 characters and Shadow being the easier to make as an echo fighter. Tails is still a major Sonic character in the grand sense of things, it's not like they started scrubbing Tails from the Sonic Boom TV show and having Shadow show up more as a major character. There is nothing asides from arguably Forces where Tails is kind of pushed aside in favor of Shadow, and it could very well only be this one time.

 

[Robertman2]

Alright. You want proof?

The November 1st Smash direct:

Skip to 32:30.

Chief

That's what known as PR bull****

 

[Nekoo]

Even with all this I don't quite get why only 3 leakers have discussed Steve as being in.

That's something I don't understand either. What kind of weird circle happened for only 3 people know about Steve, but no one does.
Yet the ****ing Square-Enix, the supposed super secret company have it's list of characters being send left and right (to be fair, they kinda did send that list left and right)

 

[xenother]

Here you go
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...with_nintendos_bill_trinen_and_nate_bihldorff
I mean it’s a clear white lie, but it’s there.

Thanks for the link!

He also says in that piece that decision as to whether they would even be doing DLC would likely be decided post-release, yet a DLC character and the fighters' pass were both revealed prior to the game going gold.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Even with all this I don't quite get why only 3 leakers have discussed Steve as being in.

Because no leaker actually knows anything?

 

[Deleted member]

You're missing the point. The fact that ANY character's death could come from something as stupid as that, and what was CLEARLY supposed to be an "emotional moment" is goddamned ridiculous.

It's like the writers have never heard of tonal whiplash.

And this is one of MANY examples where the game goes full "oh, we're anime now" moments.

Uh, ok. I'd argue that one out of 9 character deaths thats not even a death and only serves narrative purpose of letting us know a very spoilery character trait not being taken seriously isn't that big of a deal since the character comes back in 2 minutes, but whatever. Every single actual character death is treated with the seriousness and gravitas they deserve. Even super ultra minor character (I'm talking not even a line of dialogue) deaths like Obrona and Perdido are treated decently seriously.

 

[Deleted member]

Again, it’s pretty likely they were working on Mewtwo prior to smash 4 coming out, so it’s not out of the question for them to have already begun work on a DLC character or two.

 

[Untouch]

I don't think Steve is impossible, I just don't think DLC outside of Piranha Plant has started, I'd be more willing to believe if Noatesty never posted, but it just feels very unlikely they made 2 builds with different characters that testers weren't even supposed to see anyways.
(Unless Steve was planned, but cut anyways.)

 

[Nekoo]

Honestly, with how long we know about that SE rep, even BEFORE we knew about PP, I'm thinking that they probably have a good start on it.

 

[KarneraMythos]

And back in June, Nintendo said there wasn't any plan for DLC for Smash Ultimate, yet talks were already starting for a long time for some company.
I'm not calling it a lies.
But it's a VERY COMMON PRACTICE to say "Oh, we're not working on DLC" when you have a team working on it and planning it.

So it wouldn't be surprising if it's what happened.

Inb4 Reggie goes back on his statement that there won't be anymore Smash DLC beyond the Fighter's Ballot...and BAM! More DLC beyond the Fighter's Ballot.
mfw:

 

[RyuhoFox]

The problem is, at least in "Modern" Sonic games, Tails's role has downgraded so badly, it's not even funny. But, then again, most of the Sonic characters have to the point where the plot of Sonic Forces pretty much was "Sonic's captured?! Welp, we're boned!" where Tails was crapping himself at the sight of a Phantom Ruby copy of Chaos 0 when he easily defeated Chaos 4 in Sonic Adventure. The previous main story in the series made him the "damsel" in distress.

This isn't a bunch of angsty teenagers writing garbage Five Nights at Freddy's fanfiction; these are grown men who have worked with these characters for years who suddenly decided to prioritize shifting gears every time a new game comes out because they're afraid of how the internet is going to react and think "We need to push the hedgehogs more" like WWE did with Roman Reigns before his leukemia came back.

Most likely, Shadow would be the 2nd Sonic character to be selected, due to ease and also relevancy due to how pushed he still is in the games. Sonic Mania was far more popular and beloved than Sonic Forces, but Sonic Team still wants you to support Sonic Forces-like projects, where characters like Tails are jokes, and will likely not be granted an opportunity to be playable in Smash Bros..

To be fair the fanbase itself is yelling so many different things at them at all times so it's no wonder they take stupid ideas from it. Like the buddies were never really the issue with the games but rather them differing too much from the main playstyle of the series. The issue there being that the fanbase didnt tell Sonic Team that, they yelled that we didn't want the buddies so they leave it with just Sonic and make them useless.

 

[Untouch]

Also, Piranha Plant has parameter data in the final build at the moment, but that's it.
Of course that's something that could have been cut for Steve, but this is how Bayo and Cloud got leaked as well. (Or kinda, the data was there but no one could connect who the characters were.)

 

[Deleted member]

That's something I don't understand either. What kind of weird circle happened for only 3 people know about Steve, but no one does.
Yet the ****ing Square-Enix, the supposed super secret company have it's list of characters being send left and right (to be fair, they kinda did send that list left and right)

And this is the part where NateDrake goes in for the kill.

Revenge for no apologies.

 

[osby]

To be fair the fanbase itself is yelling so many different things at them at all times so it's no wonder they take stupid ideas from it. Like the buddies were never really the issue with the games but rather them differing too much from the main playstyle of the series. The issue there being that the fanbase didnt tell Sonic Team that, they yelled that we didn't want the buddies so they leave it with just Sonic and make them useless.

Tbh, I kinda miss multiple playstyles. I wouldn't mind a few coming back in 3D games aside from Classic Sonic and Avatar.

 

[Nekoo]

And this is the part where NateDrake goes in for the kill.

Revenge for no apologies.

I still hate the Grinch Leak from the bottom of my soul to these days.

 

[SquashiniKun]

Since people are talking the VGAs, i might as well put my predictions here.

• New trailers for Psychonauts 2, Death Stranding, Sekiro, & Bayonetta 3.
• Senran Kagura gets revealed for BBTAG.
• A revival of a dead IP (Klonoa, Gex, ETC.).
• 1st Smash Ultimate DLC character gets revealed.
• Something Metroid related.
• Other stuff idk.

 

[Deleted member]

Might as well post these for what, the third time? They’re relevant considering the discussion going on now, but sorry for being so repetitive.

This style would definitely make sense. I don’t think a gameplay reveal is out fo the question though. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Sakurai also stated back in smash 4 that hey hadn’t worked on DLC prior to the game releasing, but then only half a year or so later we got Mewtwo. If sakurai’s statement about fighers taking, at minimum, 8 months of dev time to make is true then they must have worked on Mewtwo prior to the game releasing. Furthermore, if a square character is revealed at TGA, then negotiations must have started months in adavance, which would also long up with Vergeben’s leak timeframe. Around June is when I’m guessing. If this is the case, then it would make sense if they got a head-start on the character, enough to give them a gameplay trailer. Those are just my two-cents anyway.

That’s a fair point, but isn’t their evidence to suggest Corrin began work 8 months prior to their release?
Here’s the actual quote from Sakurai
“The process, however, of actually creating a character often takes well over a year, where we are constantly working on the model, the animations, the audio and the balancing. For the game balance we have a testing team playing almost every day and we make adjustments based on their results. I was working from morning to night with my responsibilities as director, so I was only able to spend Wednesday evenings and weekends on the balance.”
This seems to suggest that ignoring everything else characters still take over a year to make. Even if the game is done, I can’t imagine the time to make a character is considerably shortened. 8 months seems like a reasonable assumption. Especiallly since their won’t be as many people working on the game post-launch, which would only further enhance the time taken to develop a character. Either way, it would imply Mewtwo began creation prior to the game. You also have to consider that a character at TGA would likely be third-party, so negotiations would take place months prior to the game releasing.

 

[monadoboy]

For Christ's sake, y'all.

R I C H T E R

Pronounced "Rick Tur"

Not "Richer"

nah

Ricturd

 

[Deleted member]

Who the **** is Xenother and why do we trust them?

 

[PsySmasher]

Chief

That's what known as PR bull****

Look I'm not saying that Steve isn't possible as DLC (look at my own predictions in my signature) .

I'm not saying that it impossible for Sakurai to straight up lie in the video.

I'm just backing up the claim that I made with tangible, indisputable evidence.

It's clear that Sakurai said that. Whether or not you think it's true is up to your interpretation.

With all the circulation of leaks going around, I find it harder to dispute something that Sakurai straight up said himself in an official Smash Bros. Direct than someone who may/may not have info that decides to "leak" it in a text post.