Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[osby]

The problem is, at least in "Modern" Sonic games, Tails's role has downgraded so badly, it's not even funny. But, then again, most of the Sonic characters have to the point where the plot of Sonic Forces pretty much was "Sonic's captured?! Welp, we're boned!" where Tails was crapping himself at the sight of a Phantom Ruby copy of Chaos 0 when he easily defeated Chaos 4 in Sonic Adventure. The previous main story in the series made him the "damsel" in distress.

This isn't a bunch of angsty teenagers writing garbage Five Nights at Freddy's fanfiction; these are grown men who have worked with these characters for years who suddenly decided to prioritize shifting gears every time a new game comes out because they're afraid of how the internet is going to react and think "We need to push the hedgehogs more" like WWE did with Roman Reigns before his leukemia came back.

Most likely, Shadow would be the 2nd Sonic character to be selected, due to ease and also relevancy due to how pushed he still is in the games. Sonic Mania was far more popular and beloved than Sonic Forces, but Sonic Team still wants you to support Sonic Forces-like projects, where characters like Tails are jokes, and will likely not be granted an opportunity to be playable in Smash Bros..

This is a very long way of saying "Shadow is more popular but I prefer Tails".

 

[Deleted member]

>Malos isn't spirit'd.
>If characters like Porky and Sylux are important then Malos is just as important, he's the villain of Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Torna.
>Malos is from a relevant and successful game.

Tfw by the community's logic Malos is a DLC character.
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G A L A X Y
B R A I N

no...

P R O M E T H E U S
B R A I N

 

[Nekoo]

Piranha Plant wasn't in the main build though, tester had to access him through a debug menu, playtesters weren't supposed to see him.
So in order to believe this, I also have to believe they selectively added characters to a debug menu the testers weren't supposed to see at all.

That's true. But you could have a Build with a debug menu with Absolutly unfinished Characters in it.
And a build later on with Piranha Plant
etc etc-

It's a low possibility, and I truly have **90% doubt** on his claim, especially that no one heard about Minecraft beside him, Vergeben and Hitagi. And only him and Hitagi talk about Steve.

 

[Idon]

I mean, the robot factory segment was obviously a parody of traditional magical girl/mecha anime. I thought it was hilarious

I know it's a parody.
That
That doesn't make it not stupid.

Especially when it comes back later.
Imagine if the Emperor got stabbed by a giant chibi metal-face.
Ridiculous.

 

[DarthEnderX]

i actually thing the F/s meter is more for casual play more than this community.

The main reason I think it was, at least originally, designed for competitive play, is that competitive players have made it clear that anything that has any degree of randomness to it will not be allowed in competitive play.

Smash Balls are random as hell. So like every other item, they get turned off. But Final Smashes are actually a big part of a character's identity, and a the pinnacle of their moveset. All of that is lost by simply switching them off.

The solution was to add a super meter like every other fighting game has, that removes all the randomness from getting your FS. Unfortunately, as we've seen, even after ATTEMPTING to balance them for the meter, a lot of them are still OP. Which probably led them to going, "Well, we'll just say it's for fun then. Maybe we'll figure out the balance in time for Smash 6."


Sometimes though, I wonder if a character's FS being OP might not be a part of their overall balance. Like, a character that's lacking in other areas, could be balanced out by having a stronger FS, and then a large part of their gameplay strategy becomes focused on building their FS meter.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Let's talk about Steve some more!
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Yeah I don't think xenother is real.

Huh... Well then...

 

[SnakeFighter64]

This honestly seems like a list that could end up coming true.

Doesn't mean I like it... at all.
-All 3rd party characters. Especially with Nintendo choosing DLC, I doubt they will put in NO ONE from their own franchises.
-I don't like Erdrick, Steve or Yuri (I prefer Lloyd) as Smash characters.
-I'm neutral on Geno.
-Banjo is the only one that midly interests me.

So overall, it's a plausible list, but definitely not one I'd like.

It does kind of make sense from a profit standpoint. You’ve got two characters your audience won’t shut up about. You’ve got two characters from two of the most popular JRPGs of all time. And you’ve got the star of the second most popular game, like ever.

 

[osby]

"LET'S TEAR 'EM APART!"

"Dance, Carmen!" Iconic

A great topic!


Let's talk about why Peach should be the Smash bae

I love Peach, but objectively, Zelda is the Smash bae, at least for this game.

 

[Idon]

What about Yuri/Lloyd? Didn’t they have English VOs?

Er, well I was more referring to NES JRPGs like FF, DQ, and Megaten.

 

[Robertman2]

Tails could never appear in a Sonic game again, and I'd be down with it.

 

[Nekoo]

Claims that Steve, a possible DLC character, was seen in a build in AUGUST.

...Well:

Not really.
Piranha Plant was playable with little to no Bug except graphical ever since and August/September build.

 

[DarthEnderX]

My true pick for a second Punch Out Rep is King Hippo (I really think he’s the only one that plays different enough to justify it).

ABSOLUTELY!

He's like Little Mac's complete opposite, gameplay-wise. And also, because Captain N!

Tyson is never coming back. The closest you're gonna get is TD Sandman, who pretty much just IS Tyson.

 

[Idon]

Tails could never appear in a Sonic game again, and I'd be down with it.

Can I, uh, have some context?

 

[Robertman2]

Can I, uh, have some context?

Some dude was talking about how Tails has been shafted. I forgot to hit reply

 

[Deleted member]

I know it's a parody.
That
That doesn't make it not stupid.

Especially when it comes back later.
Imagine if the Emperor got stabbed by a giant chibi metal-face.
Ridiculous.

Nialls "death" was nowhere near as major of an event as the emperors, I would say that a better analogy would be Vandham's. Which was treated with major gravitas

 

[Bionichute]

>Malos isn't spirit'd.
>If characters like Porky and Sylux are important then Malos is just as important, he's the villain of Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Torna.
>Malos is from a relevant and successful game.

the difference is that i, a mainstream gamer, do not know who the **** malos is, while i do know who sylux and porky are through years of talk about them

 

[Luigi The President]

Not really.
Piranha Plant was playable with little to no Bug except graphical ever since and August/September build.

And PP is clearly an anomaly. Dude isn't part of the Season Pass. Dude has his amiibo coming out in Feb when amiibos take a year to make.
Steve and him aren't on the same level.
It's a BS claim.

 

[Nekoo]

And PP is clearly an anomaly. Dude isn't part of the Season Pass. Dude has his amiibo coming out in Feb when amiibos take a year to make.
Steve and him aren't on the same level.
It's a BS claim.

I'm not saying it's not bull****.
I'm saying that thinking that DLC didn't start development earlier than we think IS Bull****.

 

[Luigi The President]

In case anyone's still surprised.

VGA announcement emminent.

 

[Ezclapper]

That's true. But you could have a Build with a debug menu with Absolutly unfinished Characters in it.
And a build later on with Piranha Plant
etc etc-

It's a low possibility, and I truly have **90% doubt** on his claim, especially that no one heard about Minecraft beside him, Vergeben and Hitagi. And only him and Hitagi talk about Steve.

With that logic, why are we trusting them for who the SE rep is?

 

[Luigi The President]

With that logic, why are we trusting them for who the SE rep is?

Because we aren't at this point. COUNTLESS other people know of the Squenix list and have confirmed it.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

And PP is clearly an anomaly. Dude isn't part of the Season Pass. Dude has his amiibo coming out in Feb when amiibos take a year to make.
Steve and him aren't on the same level.
It's a BS claim.

I mean. All this proves is that someone hasn’t seen him. He’s still pretty popular and could make the game.

 

[Luigi The President]

I mean. All this proves is that someone hasn’t seen him. He’s still pretty popular and could make the game.

Luckily, that's not what I'm discussing at all and is an irrelevant point.
My point is that Xenother's claim of Steve is pretty BS.

 

[Bionichute]

In case anyone's still surprised.
VGA announcement emminent.

does this mean no smash

 

[Tako Tuesday]

For Christ's sake, y'all.

R I C H T E R

Pronounced "Rick Tur"

Not "Richer"

I remember being so confused about how to pronounce his name, I always called him "Richer" myself actually

"Rick tur" does sound a lot better honestly.

 

[Deleted member]

Wake me up when Tag Team Racing comes back.

That game was the ****.

That game only had 8 drivers. That was a huge letdown to me.

 

[PsySmasher]

It does kind of make sense from a profit standpoint. You’ve got two characters your audience won’t shut up about. You’ve got two characters from two of the most popular JRPGs of all time. And you’ve got the star of the second most popular game, like ever.

I'm not saying that any of the characters on this list wouldn't make money as DLC.
But when you work w/ a 3rd party, you do have to pay them a portion of the DLC profits.
Doing that for all the DLC characters wouldn't make too much sense though.
Especially since there are still 1st party characters they can use and make 100% profit off of them.

 

[Nekoo]

With that logic, why are we trusting them for who the SE rep is?

The Square-Enix rep was heard by everyone and their grandma at this point.

 

[Idon]

Nialls "death" was nowhere near as major of an event as the emperors, I would say that a better analogy would be Vandham's. Which was treated with major gravitas

You're missing the point. The fact that ANY character's death could come from something as stupid as that, and what was CLEARLY supposed to be an "emotional moment" is goddamned ridiculous.

It's like the writers have never heard of tonal whiplash.

And this is one of MANY examples where the game goes full "oh, we're anime now" moments.

 

[Luigi The President]

does this mean no smash

No.
Nintendo has revealed multiple things at the VGA for a while now.

 

[osby]

the difference is that i, a mainstream gamer, do not know who the **** malos is, while i do know who sylux and porky are through years of talk about them

You're putting way too much weight on yourself.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Luckily, that's not what I'm discussing at all and is an irrelevant point.
My point is that Xenother's claim of Steve is pretty BS.

Ok. We know where we stand then.

Honestly I don’t care about disproving fake leaks. Because there’s always a possibility that they could be right even if they were faked

 

[Robertman2]

"Worst girl"? In my Persona game?

ヽ(〃＾▽＾〃)ﾉ

Good joke.

the dancing game literally confirm that makoto is inferior to Sae, sooooo

 

[Ezclapper]

Because we aren't at this point. COUNTLESS other people know of the Squenix list and have confirmed it.

The claims about the list are different

 

[xenother]

Uh... yeah, if this is a real post xenother made, then I'm pressing X to doubt everything they said. No way there was a test build with a DLC character way back in august when the base game itself hasn't even gone gold and Steve was nothing more then a name on the table (if he's even in in the first place). Perhaps they are being misled or (hopefully not) lying.

I'm not going to pretend to know how Nintendo prioritizes their work and I don't think you know either. I can confirm to you that based on the information that has been given to me, there was at the very least a test build of the game with a very early version of Steve in it back in August.

We do know that development had started on DLC prior to the game going gold as Piranha Plant was revealed and seemed to be well on it's way to completion prior to the game going gold.

 

[Luigi The President]

Ok. We know where we stand then.

Honestly I don’t care about disproving fake leaks. Because there’s always a possibility that they could be right even if they were faked

No there isn't. If the leak is fake it's fake.

The claim they make may be true but the leak can still be 100% fake.

The claims about the list are different

No they aren't, do your research

 

[Untouch]

does this mean no smash

Last year had Zelda DLC and Bayo 3/Ports.

 

[Bionichute]

You're putting way too much weight on yourself.

i mean also like
rex and pyra would probably have to get in first before malos does. lucas and samus are already in the game

as much as i want doc coyle as the arms rep they are never going to have a game or franchise in smash not repped by the main character before adding in a villain

 

[Deleted member]

Let's talk about Steve some more!
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Yeah I don't think xenother is real.

Why are we still here. Just to suffer?
Every single damn time with these "insiders", keep playing us like a DAMN FIDDLE.

 

[Tako Tuesday]

Tails could never appear in a Sonic game again, and I'd be down with it.

To be fair, they did butcher his character in the recent games. Tails needs some kind of redemption, like an actually competent writing team to write him.