Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[ReeseBalaski]

I like unlocking characters. I grew up playing Melee with my older brother and it was fun unlocking things.

I do understand that it can be tedious to some people though, especially with 66 characters to unlock.

I guess it's just a personal thing. I got a whole weekend to burn playing Ultimate, so I'm content with the amount of stuff I get to do.

Also, praise be to the Smash devs for making CPUs good. Smash 4's were way too perfect in certain areas. Most of these CPUs I've seen play like actual people, so the void in my soul for not having any friends (that play Smash) will be filled.

 

[PsySmasher]

Do you have a link to this chart?

Thankfully, your buddy PsySmasher was the one who originally posted the image.
Here you go.

Hey guys. I found an image that breaks down who unlocks who in Classic. It's not complete, but it should give you a general idea on the best route.

Spoiler: The Image

View attachment 180277

 

[Zinith]

Here it is.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...KgEpjgU3jXL1FYk/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true

But I thought Yoshi was on the Villager route. Now it says Sheik...

 

[ErenJager]

Whoa day one patch confirms adding lets go pikachu and eevee spirits?

This real?

 

[PsySmasher]

Whoa day one patch confirms adding lets go pikachu and eevee spirits?

This real?

Yes. We're getting Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee spirits (if you have the specific game) w/ a Day 1 patch.
They will be available later on though w/o needing a copy of Let's Go.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Whoa day one patch confirms adding lets go pikachu and eevee spirits?

This real?

Damn. Even the day one patch has been pirated. You guys are cold.

I’ve heard mixed information about this, but are you going to be able to do all of the paths in World of Light? Or do the paths permanently lock off when you pick one?

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Damn. Even the day one patch has been pirated. You guys are cold.

I’ve heard mixed information about this, but are you going to be able to do all of the paths in World of Light? Or do the paths permanently lock off when you pick one?

Is the patch pirating a joke or something

 

[SvartWolf]

Has anyone thought about what will happen here if the first DLC character DOESN'T show up at the game awards?

honestly this is to be expected... i think that the only reason that we are expecting it's announcments is due to leakers and the small reggie teaser. But really the teaser could be from a character announcment to a announcment of a day one patch dlc that adds new modes (some of teh names were datamined) so, while is good to be optimistic I don't think that a DLC announcment is 100% confirmed in VGA awards

Regarding Unlocks.
Yes we need an easy way, maybe a free dlc?
I mean.. i actually like the unlocks system and unlocking things the traditional way will be fun.

But i don't think it will be as fun for a TO to do it for every switch they are going to use ._.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Is the patch pirating a joke or something

No. That was an accident.

 

[PsySmasher]

Damn. Even the day one patch has been pirated. You guys are cold.

I’ve heard mixed information about this, but are you going to be able to do all of the paths in World of Light? Or do the paths permanently lock off when you pick one?

I think when one is chosen, the other 2 are blocked until that path is completed.

I don't anything concrete on that though, so take it w/ a grain of salt.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Man, I find it so frustrating that the way to unlock Snake through classic is with Meta Knight, but there's no indication as to what unlocks Meta Knight through Classic...

I REALLY hope my only hope of getting Snake isn’t largely going though WoL. It's not that I don't want to play it, but I'd really like to get Snake relatively quickly.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I think when one is chosen, the other 2 are blocked until that path is completed.

I don't anything concrete on that though, so take it w/ a grain of salt.

Ok. That makes sense. I hope it’s not to difficult. Like, with Subspace Emissary you had a difficulty select. I’m not interested in a grind fest. I especially hope that that skill tree applies to every character universally and that each one doesn’t level up separately. I do not want to have to do the whole mode as Kirby just because he’s your first starter and he’s the one that levels up most.

 

[Shroob]

"Yoshi is a good boy"

https://twitter.com/JustAJAgain/status/1068963808633413632


EXPLAIN THIS(warning: swearing)

Zinith

 

[CrusherMania1592]

So... does anybody know if there will be a character or two that will always be the first ones you unlock no matter what method you do at first?

I know the first five I plan to unlock in Classic are King K Rool, Isabelle, Pichu, Lucario, and Bowser Jr


I still wanna know how to get Zelda in Classic mode

 

[Zinith]

"Yoshi is a good boy"

https://twitter.com/JustAJAgain/status/1068963808633413632


EXPLAIN THIS(warning: swearing)

Zinith

I see people are just discovering the Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World shorts. It only took them nearly 2 years...

 

[SoccerStar9001]

"Yoshi is a good boy"

https://twitter.com/JustAJAgain/status/1068963808633413632


EXPLAIN THIS(warning: swearing)

Zinith

I bet Zinith is covering for Yoshi because he commit tax frauds for him as well.

 

[Deleted member]

IIRC, didn't someone make a spreadsheet on which characters you need to use to unlock other characters?

 

[Untouch]

"Yoshi is a good boy"

https://twitter.com/JustAJAgain/status/1068963808633413632


EXPLAIN THIS(warning: swearing)

Zinith

Don't worry, when Poochy is added as DLC he'll be able to fight Yoshi for what's his.

 

[SoccerStar9001]

IIRC, didn't someone make a spreadsheet on which characters you need to use to unlock other characters?

Here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...KgEpjgU3jXL1FYk/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Good night. I look forward to seeing what insanity you guys cook up in the morning.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

IIRC, didn't someone make a spreadsheet on which characters you need to use to unlock other characters?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...KgEpjgU3jXL1FYk/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true

^right here, good sir.

‘d

 

[Deleted member]

Here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...KgEpjgU3jXL1FYk/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true

I see it's not yet complete.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

I see it's not yet complete.

Nope, but it’s getting there. It updates quite often. I would suggest favoriting that page so you can keep up to date on it.

 

[RandomAce]

I think some of you guys are a little too harsh on people that don’t like the way Ultimate seems to be going with unlocks. I used to be pro unlocking characters. I liked the idea that for some of the roster, you have to work a bit more like complete a certain challenge, or play a certain character, and have the unlockable be in the spotlight a bit.

But that’s for some of the roster. The problem here is that unlike previous games where they give an extended cast of characters to work with. Ultimate limits you with just 8. It’s a nice verture, but at least with prior games you could at least start off the game and go in a match with a greater chance that any characters you may be interested in are already available. Here, if you don’t like any of the original 8, you’re going to be out of luck for a while.

And this is where it starts to become more of a grind, since now you have the siren go on for 60+ fighters... and it’s all randomized. If there was another thing I liked about unlocking characters, it was the criteria to unlock them. I think Smash 4 did it best since since I liked how some of the unlocks had you needing to play as Link to get Ganondorf, Marth to get Lucina, etc. It at least gave me some idea of how I’m going to unlock someone and expect it, and in the end, it was pretty neat. But with Ultimate, you need Link to get King K. Rool? And it goes even more wacko from there.

The way Ultimate is taking unlocks looks tedious more than anything since the order of unlocking characters seems random and it ends up being more of crossing your fingers and hope for the best sort of situation. I would’ve enjoyed it if we had at least 30 characters, and the requirements for some of the unlocks are reasonable like “using X character to unlock character related to X”. But the roster looks weird with just 8 peeps and no clue on when the others show up.

 

[Deleted member]

Nope, but it’s getting there. It updates quite often. I would suggest favoriting that page so you can keep up to date on it.

Got it.

Some of the unlock methods seem weird. Use Luigi to unlock Ike? Use Isabelle to unlock Pichu? That doesn't make a whole lotta sense.

 

[ReeseBalaski]

Spoiler: Classic Mode Question

Am I late in finding out that the final boss for some characters in Classic are just other characters?

 

[Iridium]

Crowd: "Chrom! Chrom! He's our man! If he can't do it, no one can!"

Except for recovering.

 

[PsySmasher]

Got it.

Some of the unlock methods seem weird. Use Luigi to unlock Ike? Use Isabelle to unlock Pichu? That doesn't make a whole lotta sense.

Almost all the unlocks make no sense.

But they’re specific, for some weird reason.

 

[Deleted member]

Almost all the unlocks make no sense.

But they’re specific, for some weird reason.

Guess Sakurai wanted people to actually play World of Light, so he made the outside unlock methods really specific? That's the only thing I can think of.

 

[Nekoo]

Crowd: "Chrom! Chrom! He's our man! If he can't do it, no one can!"

Except for recovering.

Watching this Chrom player pisses me off because we see
>No N-air strings
>No Up-air strings
>Barely any combo
It's VERY frustrating, especially after watching more "suited" matches

 

[PsySmasher]

Spoiler: Classic Mode Question

Am I late in finding out that the final boss for some characters in Classic are just other characters?

Spoiler: Classic

For certain bosses, like Bowser, they start with a normal fight, but it will always end w/ a boss fight.

 

[Blargg888]

Guess I'm one of the people who actually likes the inclusion of the 10 minute timer.

Well, you're definitely not old, nor are you cranky, okay?

Are you sure about that?

Because you see, when Flyboy removes his mask...

BAM!
Flyboy Exposed!

 

[Zinith]

I'm just glad that my boi's Final Boss is a little more interesting than Master Hand/Crazy Hand...

 

[Deleted member]

I'm just glad that my boi's Final Boss is a little more interesting than Master Hand/Crazy Hand...

Spoiler

Is it Bowser?

 

[Flyboy]

Guess I'm one of the people who actually likes the inclusion of the 10 minute timer.

Are you sure about that?

Because you see, when Flyboy removes his mask...
View attachment 181000
BAM!
Flyboy Exposed!

AND I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT TOO IF IT WEREN'T FOR YOU MEDDLING KIDS

 

[Zinith]

Is it Bowser

Actually no

Spoiler

It's Rathalos

 

[Deleted member]

MOTHER****, I JUST GOT OFF WORK AND NATEDRAKE OR SPAWN PROBABLY TEASED SOMETHING FOR THE VGAS.

Sorry gang for the late notification. Here's a spare link when the VOD goes up.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...KgEpjgU3jXL1FYk/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true

That Pit info ain’t enough

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Are you sure about that?

Because you see, when Flyboy removes his mask...

BAM!
Flyboy Exposed!

I feel betrayed.

 

[DarthEnderX]

You guys are overthinking this.

I'm just gonna play through World of Light. Then beat Classic with everyone I can. By the time that's done, I'll probably only be missing a couple characters and I can just let them unlock themselves.