Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[GoeGoe]

I mainly look at these characters at the standpoint of "what impact have they had on the video game industry as a whole", and as much as I agree that Final Fantasy VII is a bit overrated, you can't deny that Sephiroth is one of the most recognizable villains in gaming on a worldwide scale.

What does this has to do with this!?

 

[Opossum]

I wish Sakurai got the chance to do the characters he personally wants. Not just Geno either. He’s personally shown interest in Chorus Kids, Mach Rider, and Ayumi Tachibana. I’d love the chance for him to just have fun with HIS favorite characters. Maybe as a-la-carte DLC like Piranha Plant.

And then he adds Navarre and a bunch of people get mad.

 

[Deleted member]

What does this has to do with this!?

Sephiroth had an impact on the video game industry by setting the bar high for villains in story-focused video games

 

[Nazyrus]

【あと7日】今年もあっという間でしたが後一週間は長く感じますね。では編集に行って来ます ＠野村#スマブラカウントダウン#スマブラSP#FFVII#クラウド pic.twitter.com/Qpd2q6Y4m3

— FFVII REMAKE (@FFVIIR_CLOUD) November 30, 2018

Cool to see Nomura is also hype about Smash. 7 days left boisss.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

So what does this Sephiroth guy do? I can see he has a super long sword, but that doesn't scream interesting fighter to me. Honestly it seems like a pain in the ass to fight

 

[KiBom]

Isabelle will 100% be like 80/20 vs heavies mark my words


THE FIGHT IS ON

Seems like a lot of characters will be tbh. All these combo videos look like they're only doable on heavies.

 

[Deleted member]

【あと7日】今年もあっという間でしたが後一週間は長く感じますね。では編集に行って来ます ＠野村#スマブラカウントダウン#スマブラSP#FFVII#クラウド pic.twitter.com/Qpd2q6Y4m3

— FFVII REMAKE (@FFVIIR_CLOUD) November 30, 2018

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Cool to see Nomura is also hype about Smash. 7 days left boisss.

Nice number-play too!

Final Fantasy 7

7 days until Smash

Pretty neat!

So what does this Sephiroth guy do? I can see he has a super long sword, but that doesn't scream interesting fighter to me. Honestly it seems like a pain in the *** to fight

he can fly and apparently call down stars or some **** and he has one wing and he looks cool

idk anything about final fantasy i just have the hots for generic gray haired anime boys

 

[Nekoo]

【あと7日】今年もあっという間でしたが後一週間は長く感じますね。では編集に行って来ます ＠野村#スマブラカウントダウン#スマブラSP#FFVII#クラウド pic.twitter.com/Qpd2q6Y4m3

— FFVII REMAKE (@FFVIIR_CLOUD) November 30, 2018

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Cool to see Nomura is also hype about Smash. 7 days left boisss.

>Square Actually did it with a cool and Cute Drawing just like the one for Mickey's 90's anniversary.

Bless you Nomura.

 

[Nazyrus]

Nomura has officially drawn not only TP Link but also BOTW Link now.

 

[GoeGoe]

So what does this Sephiroth guy do? I can see he has a super long sword, but that doesn't scream interesting fighter to me. Honestly it seems like a pain in the *** to fight

A Simon with a stiff whip

 

[Deleted member]

Nomura has officially drawn not only TP Link but also BOTW Link now.

I really wanna see more Nintendo characters drawn by him in his signature artstyle, tbh. I love how he draws characters! His designs for XC2 look really sick and I would love to see him design for more mainline Nintendo series as well like Zelda or FE

 

[Wyoming]

Sephiroth in Smash would feel so unreal...sounds like a complete pipe dream charscter yet here we are.

I have never played Final Fantasy so I am indifferent but I would take him over a DQ character, Geno, and Crono

 

[Deleted member]

【あと7日】今年もあっという間でしたが後一週間は長く感じますね。では編集に行って来ます ＠野村#スマブラカウントダウン#スマブラSP#FFVII#クラウド pic.twitter.com/Qpd2q6Y4m3

— FFVII REMAKE (@FFVIIR_CLOUD) November 30, 2018

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Cool to see Nomura is also hype about Smash. 7 days left boisss.

Hey, the art has as many characters as Square-Enix has spirits! Neat detail!


For real though, that’s a pretty cute drawing

 

[Deleted member]

Hey, the art has as many characters as Square-Enix has spirits! Neat detail!


For real though, that’s a pretty cute drawing

Does Square even have any spirits besides Cloud's fighter Spirit

 

[Deleted member]

Does Square even have any spirits besides Cloud's fighter Spirit

Advent Children Cloud, Geno and Mallow

 

[Ezclapper]

I know how a lot of people are doubting Sora at this point in time but...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VT6LFOIofRE
I still believe the impossible is possible.

 

[Deleted member]

Advent Children Cloud, Geno and Mallow

Oh I completely forgot about Geno and Mallow lmao

How is Advent Children Cloud obtained? Do you just get it alongside his regular fighter Spirit or does it have it's own Spirit battle?

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Has it been confirmed if there's a Spirit gallery (sort of like the trophy one) where you can look at Spirits by series, read little blurbs, etc?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Oh I completely forgot about Geno and Mallow lmao

How is Advent Children Cloud obtained? Do you just get it alongside his regular fighter Spirit or does it have it's own Spirit battle?

Wasn’t there a Zack Fair one that someone spotted in a trailer?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I’m literally screaming last night I was playing Mario kart w my friends and ****talking about Isabelle saying how she looks cute but def has an evil side and THIS proves that correct I believe

Begging for her to be top tier

Her and K Rool will own Ultimate

So, people will finally get a Dark Pit that plays like Brawl Pit.

Let’s stick to having mostly Uprising stuff

 

[Deleted member]

Wasn’t there a Zack Fair one that someone spotted in a trailer?

I think that one was confirmed fake, wasn't it? Like someone confused ZEKE with ZACK and saw how Cloud was used in the Zeke Spirit battle and thought it was Zack. I might be tlking outta my ass here but I'm pretty sure there is no Zack Spirit

 

[Deleted member]

oversimplification.
japan isnt the west. heroes with guns have never taken off there. Every generation FPS games have been dead there and guns and gun based violence have never been big in media there. japan has favored fantasy and sword weapons for a years now. its just whats popular. japan loves anime is an obvious statement thats like saying America loves their American cartoons and comic books.

This is a very good post.
You can easily see that by looking at the characters in Smash, characters that range from contemporary real world to science fiction(Snake, Bayonetta, Samus, Star Fox crew) are significantly more popular in the west.
A big reason for that divide is WWII, while the US idolized their new war technology, Japan feared it and its future culture would heavily condemn modern indistrialization while trying to celebrate the past with fantasy stories. This was further emphasized in the 80s and 90s, when animes and games, mainly influenced by Miyazaki's Nausicaa and Laputa, started to mesh some science fiction in their fantasy stories, the catch being that said technology was usually condemned. Final Fantasy is full of that and it only got bigger on that as time went on(just look at FFVII). Xenoblade Chrnocles is a more recent example and the nature vs. technology theme is even more pronounced.

The big exception to all of this is Mechas. Japan loves that **** since it started as empowerement fantasy to fight the evil threats of atomic bombs.

forgive the movie nerd for going on a tangent

So I'm just curious.... what would be your Square Enix list of priority when it comes to Smash?

My priorities would be Erdrick > Sephiroth > Sora > Chrono > Neku > Geno > Slime

It's Crono for ****'s sake
*Ahem*
Basing on the list
Crono>I don't care>Sora>Slime>Sephiroth>Erdrick>Geno>Luminary

So what does this Sephiroth guy do? I can see he has a super long sword, but that doesn't scream interesting fighter to me. Honestly it seems like a pain in the *** to fight

Why does it sound like you're asking us about a super obscure character?

 

[Idon]

Seems like a lot of characters will be tbh. All these combo videos look like they're only doable on heavies.

Other than the ridiculous range?
Magic
Meteors
Magic meteors

 

[Impa4Smash]

https://mobile.twitter.com/SSS_SSB/status/1068381659861565440?s=09

Have people seen this? K Rool kills Mewtwo at 0%. It’s nuts. It’s probably cuz of Shadow ball and the counter, but oof

 

[Deleted member]

Why does it sound like you're asking us about a super obscure character?

Isn’t Sephiroth that one guy from that Disney game?

 

[Ezclapper]

So I'm just curious.... what would be your Square Enix list of priority when it comes to Smash?

My priorities would be Erdrick > Sephiroth > Sora > Chrono > Neku > Geno > Slime

Sora>>>Chrono>Geno>Edrick>Sephiroth>Slime
I would actually lose my mind if it was one of the top 3. I think I would die from cardiac arrest if it was Sora though

 

[Impa4Smash]

So I'm just curious.... what would be your Square Enix list of priority when it comes to Smash?

My priorities would be Erdrick > Sephiroth > Sora > Chrono > Neku > Geno > Slime

Geno > Sora > Lara Croft > Sephiroth

Don’t care about anyone else

 

[P.Kat]

So I'm just curious.... what would be your Square Enix list of priority when it comes to Smash?

My priorities would be Erdrick > Sephiroth > Sora > Chrono > Neku > Geno > Slime

Sora>Terra>Squall=Lara Croft=Lighting>Zidane>Neku>Sephiroth>Chrono

 

[ColietheGoalie]

This is a very good post.
You can easily see that by looking at the characters in Smash, characters that range from contemporary real world to science fiction(Snake, Bayonetta, Samus, Star Fox crew) are significantly more popular in the west.
A big reason for that divide is WWII, while the US idolized their new war technology, Japan feared it and its future culture would heavily condemn modern indistrialization while trying to celebrate the past with fantasy stories. This was further emphasized in the 80s and 90s, when animes and games, mainly influenced by Miyazaki's Nausicaa and Laputa, started to mesh some science fiction in their fantasy stories, the catch being that said technology was usually condemned. Final Fantasy is full of that and it only got bigger on that as time went on(just look at FFVII). Xenoblade Chrnocles is a more recent example and the nature vs. technology theme is even more pronounced.

The big exception to all of this is Mechas. Japan loves that **** since it started as empowerement fantasy to fight the evil threats of atomic bombs.

forgive the movie nerd for going on a tangent

Never apologize for a movie nerd tangent

Why does it sound like you're asking us about a super obscure character?

Not obscure, just one I legitimately don't know anything about beyond "that bad guy from FFVII with the big sword".

 

[Deleted member]

So what does this Sephiroth guy do? I can see he has a super long sword, but that doesn't scream interesting fighter to me. Honestly it seems like a pain in the *** to fight

Not sure if anyone answered yet, but this showcases his fighting style a bit

That's before he went nuts, got a hold of Black Materia, and was able to summon magical, giant, planet-seeking Meteors (often represented in titles where he fights as just raining mini meteors with a slight homing effect down on the field) or setting towns on fire.
Also super good at stabbing people not expecting it

 

[Impa4Smash]

Is it Crono or Chrono? I’m getting lots of mixed signals with all these lists.

 

[Deleted member]

So I'm just curious.... what would be your Square Enix list of priority when it comes to Smash?

My priorities would be Erdrick > Sephiroth > Sora > Chrono > Neku > Geno > Slime

Subjectively?
Geno>Crono>Erdrick>Slime>=Sephiroth>Luminary>=Sora
Those are just the ones on the list anyway.

Is it Crono or Chrono? I’m getting lots of mixed signals with all these lists.

Crono in English, Chrono in Japanese afaik

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Is it Crono or Chrono? I’m getting lots of mixed signals with all these lists.

In Japan it’s Chrono. In the international releases its Crono at least afaik.

 

[A.G.L.]

I know how a lot of people are doubting Sora at this point in time but...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VT6LFOIofRE
I still believe the impossible is possible.

He still has a possibility, so don’t lose hope. I still think Sora would make both Nintendo and Square the most long term money.

We do know Square loves cross promotion so it’s possible they might have pushed for him. The thing Sora has going for him is he is globally popular and can cross promote. Those are things we’ve noticed Square loves. Also the composer of KH games Yoko Shimomura is already working on Smash.These factors help him against the following competition.

Geno cannot cross promote nor is he relevant and Square doesn’t prioritize the character over more popular characters.

DQ not globally popular, composer doesn’t play well with others. Most popular character is a regular enemy in the past two DQ games.

Crono his game series has not had a game sequel in years, no current plans for an upcoming sequel.

Sephiroth, Cloud already represents the FF franchise. Problems with acquiring music for FF7. Sword would need to be longer than Clouds. Possibly making him the longest range character and taking that away from Simon. If a FF character did make it in, it would make more sense to add someone from FF14 or FF15. As these are the most recent FF titles and can be cross promoted.

All of this being said Sora’s chances would be really high If Disney was not involved in ownership of the character. This does play a huge factor and could be why Nintendo would not want to have Sora in.

 

[Zeox]

So what does this Sephiroth guy do? I can see he has a super long sword, but that doesn't scream interesting fighter to me. Honestly it seems like a pain in the *** to fight

Everything that Sephiroth does Kefka does it better.

 

[KMDP]

So I'm just curious.... what would be your Square Enix list of priority when it comes to Smash?

My priorities would be Erdrick > Sephiroth > Sora > Chrono > Neku > Geno > Slime

Tifa > Sephiroth > Warrior of Light > Crono > Lana Croft > Erdrick > Geno > other SE characters

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Okay, hang on.

Apparently Sonic is now fast enough to run on Big Blue without the Bunny Hood.

Oh? Do you have a source of footage on that?

 

[KMDP]

Everything that Sephiroth does Kefka does it better.

Not true.

Sephiroth acts sane better.

 

[osby]

Everything that Sephiroth does Kefka does it better.

This guy reminds me Hisoka and I don't like it.

 

[Deleted member]

Everything that Sephiroth does Kefka does it better.

True. But he's not remembered by people as much as Sephiroth. I liked 6 and Kefka more to be honest, but Sephiroth was way more iconic. He's known topeople who've never even played RPGs and 7 was an early title for the brand new Playstation at the time. FF7 was the face of RPGs as they became more popular in the west. That's why 7 is credited and remembered so much when its not actually the best of the series. (Not to say its bad at all; I love it, but 6 is definitely better and 9 is my personal favorite).