Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Luigifan18]

I was referring specifically to chaingrabs and jab infinites that allow certain characters to simply walk you right off the stage with no chance for counter or recovery once the first move hits. Not a general disadvantage.

Chain grabs were specifically taken out of the series in Smash 4, and most jab infinites require the victim to be pinned between the attacking character and a solid wall.

 

[Grunky Peep]

Eh, I don’t think anime is bad. But it sure as heck is overrated.

Anime is just like movies, music, games, books, and TV. There's good stuff, but most of the stuff that gets put out is garbage.

 

[Luigifan18]

Wait, so, if Galeem's laser, was able to turn characters such as Mipha, for example, into, spirits, even though she is, very much dead, and doesn't have a physical form, in which could be transformed into a spirit, does that mean, that Galeem's attack, stretched out across the whole of time itself?

I'm more impressed by the implication that Galeem managed to vaporize the freaking Absolutely Safe Capsule.

 

[Deleted member]

Eh, I don’t think anime is bad. But it sure as heck is overrated.

That’s like saying movies as a whole are overrated

 

[osby]

I'm more impressed by the implication that Galeem managed to vaporize the freaking Absolutely Safe Capsule.

Nah, Porky is still safe inside of that capsule. That's why he's not a Spirit.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

I'm more impressed by the implication that Galeem managed to vaporize the freaking Absolutely Safe Capsule.

I think the joke was that even though it vaporized the Absolutely Safe Capsule, Porky was still protected from becoming a Spirit and is hiding inside there like the coward he is.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

That’s like saying movies as a whole are overrated

Which... the film industry, sometimes can be, actually.

 

[Deleted member]

That’s like saying movies as a whole are overrated

Eh, aside from Marvel, John Wick, and Blade Runner 2049, I haven't been impressed with Cinema as a whole nowadays.

 

[Wyoming]

Eh, I don’t think anime is bad. But it sure as heck is overrated.

This is a strange statement. How can an entire medium be "overrated?". It would be like saying cartoons are overrated, music is overrated, TV is overrated, and so on...

It's too broad to classify all as one thing.

 

[osby]

Which... the film industry, sometimes can be, actually.

Indie films still a thing.

Eh, aside from Marvel, John Wick, and Blade Runner 2049, I haven't been impressed with Cinema as a whole.

You can watch the timeless classics, like Empire.

 

[Deleted member]

Unpopular opinion incoming. BNHA is really good, but is pretty overrated.

Same
I also think people really tend to overhype Jojo. It’s a good series, though, don’t get me wrong

 

[ClaTheBae]

While it is true that being a good player is important, we should also learn to adapt ourselves to the way each stage plays, and not just throw anyone that doesn’t work the way we want them to do so.

A stage can't win a tournament. When a stage hazard is responsible for a kill, we can't count that as a win for the stage.
I understand that some may say, "well avoiding the obstacles proves the player's skill". Which is true in some instances, but you have to take in two factors.

1. Some stages are incredibly unbalanced and the hazards might as well be random

and 2. We in the competitive scene play smash as a fighting game. We want to see who has a better grasp on the fighting mechanics. We are not trying to see who the better platformer is. It is not the purpose of fighting in tourney. Stage hazards obviously cannot coexist in the competitive scene if our ultimate goal is to have a better grip on the fighting mechanics.

We all know the stages are fun, but they strip away fighting skill and add a luck factor. That's not even going into the issues on camping and all the other jank stuff that these stages have.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Eh, aside from Marvel, John Wick, and Blade Runner 2049, I haven't been impressed with Cinema as a whole.

There were films made before the 2010s, you know?

Like, almost 100 years worth...

 

[KarneraMythos]

Yep. Apparently, it reached both the afterlife and all periods of time and space as well. For the afterlife, Sakurai himself states that Hades and Medusa (both of whom are dead, mind you), were still killed by Galeem. Also in regards to time and space, the likes of Kaptain K. Rool is a Spirit.

My head-canon says that alternate Spirits of Fighter characters were originally from other dimensions and just happened to show up in the wrong place and time.

Either that, or they are actually Tulpas who were torn away from the original Being, hence Kaptain K.Rool being treated as a separate entity from King K. Rool.

This is a strange statement. How can an entire medium be "overrated?". It would be like saying cartoons are overrated, music is overrated, TV is overrated, and so on...

It's too broad to classify all as one thing.

C'mon Wyoming, everyone ****s on anime. Everyone! Even weebs do it!

Jokes aside, anime is over-hated if anything. It's the modern day Saleem Witch Trials whenever the medium is brought up.

Same
I also think people really tend to overhype Jojo. It’s a good series, though, don’t get me wrong

I'm waiting until people start whining about Goblin Slayer. It's definitely heading in a direction where the goblin-killing runs its course in comic gags.

 

[Deleted member]

There were films made before the 2010s, you know?

Like, almost 100 years worth...

I know lol. I'm talking about nowadays.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

How come Smash has never had a Mario Party stage?

 

[ClaTheBae]

Eh, aside from Marvel, John Wick, and Blade Runner 2049, I haven't been impressed with Cinema as a whole.

Do you like. . . watch movies? At all?

 

[Deleted member]

Eh, aside from Marvel, John Wick, and Blade Runner 2049, I haven't been impressed with Cinema as a whole.

Wait until they make a good Fantastic Four movie at last.

A lot of the Fantastic Four comics aren’t just great or awesome, but they can include some wonderful panels that would look outstanding if done right in live action.

 

[smashkirby]

My head-canon says that alternate Spirits of Fighter characters were originally from other dimensions and just happened to show up in the wrong place and time.

Either that, or they are actually Tulpas who were torn away from the original Being, hence Kaptain K.Rool being treated as a separate entity from King K. Rool.

Perosnally, I think it's a case of spacetime being engulfed by Galeem's attack as well.

In fact, has anyone seen the Goku Black arc of Dragon Ball Super and remembers its unfortunate ending? With all of reality (past, present, and future) being wiped clean of all life? I like to think THAT'S how severe Galeem's attack was.

 

[Deleted member]

Do you like. . . watch movies? At all?

Yes. I probably should've included a "nowadays" in my previous post.

 

[Wyoming]

How come Smash has never had a Mario Party stage?

Smash Tour

 

[scoobymcsnack]

By the way, since the Absolutely safe capsule is a spirit, that means Galeem was able to destroy it someway, so I made this:

By the way this is the first time ever trying to draw Ness and Lucas... and Lucas's hair alone made me change the drawing concept like 4 times.

Do you think the reason there’s no Porky spirit is because Galeem couldn’t get him through the capsule, so instead it just took the whole thing?

 

[Luigifan18]

A stage can't win a tournament. When a stage hazard is responsible for a kill, we can't count that as a win for the stage.
I understand that some may say, "well avoiding the obstacles proves the player's skill". Which is true in some instances, but you have to take in two factors.

1. Some stages are incredibly unbalanced and the hazards might as well be random

and 2. We in the competitive scene play smash as a fighting game. We want to see who has a better grasp on the fighting mechanics. We are not trying to see who the better platformer is. It is not the purpose of fighting in tourney. Stage hazards obviously cannot coexist in the competitive scene if our ultimate goal is to have a better grip on the fighting mechanics.

We all know the stages are fun, but they strip away fighting skill and add a luck factor. That's not even going into the issues on camping and all the other jank stuff that these stages have.

On the stages with predictable hazards, luck isn't really a factor. I will admit that there are definitely random hazards, such as the Arwings on Corneria; if you go into the air, whether or not you get shot in the face is partially a matter of chance (though they can be avoided by things like air-dodging, reflectors, or absorption). But for nonrandom hazards, claiming that avoiding them is a matter of luck just proves that you're not very experienced with the game.

 

[staindgrey]

How come Smash has never had a Mario Party stage?

That...

...is a very good question.

 

[ClaTheBae]

On the stages with predictable hazards, luck isn't really a factor. I will admit that there are definitely random hazards, such as the Arwings on Corneria; if you go into the air, whether or not you get shot in the face is partially a matter of chance (though they can be avoided by things like air-dodging, reflectors, or absorption). But for nonrandom hazards, claiming that avoiding them is a matter of luck just proves that you're not very experienced with the game.

Not for all of them obviously, I'm just saying that hazards are random at times. Regardless, hazards in general still make the player go out of their way to prove something that isn't really relevant to the end goal of a fighting game tournament

 

[KarneraMythos]

How come Smash has never had a Mario Party stage?

Something-something Sakurai has a deeply-rooted grudge against Camelot.

Perosnally, I think it's a case of spacetime being engulfed by Galeem's attack as well.

In fact, has anyone seen the Goku Black arc of Dragon Ball Super and remembers its unfortunate ending? With all of reality (past, present, and future) being wiped clean of all life? I like to think THAT'S how severe Galeem's attack was.

Makes you wonder how there are other Survivors to begin with, eh? Or maybe Galeem's attack didn't reach far enough to touch characters like Adeliene and Rathian?

 

[beans]

Something-something Sakurai has a deeply-rooted grudge against Camelot.


Makes you wonder how there are other Survivors to begin with, eh? Or maybe Galeem's attack didn't reach far enough to touch characters like Adeliene and Rathian?

Galeem bias

 

[Luigifan18]

Something-something Sakurai has a deeply-rooted grudge against Camelot.

Mario Party isn't produced by Camelot, though. It was produced by HudsonSoft until they went bankrupt (RIP), then handed off to somebody else — I don't remember who it was, and I'm too busy trying to catch up on all my alerts on Smashboards to look it up.

 

[KiBom]

Eh, aside from Marvel, John Wick, and Blade Runner 2049, I haven't been impressed with Cinema as a whole nowadays.

I mean. If you like 2049 why not check out Villeneuve's other movies. If you're saying movies nowadays are bad, chances are you're just not looking hard enough.

 

[Deleted member]

I thought watching the Smash tournaments Nintendo hosted and seeing players stop fighting just to deal with hazards would have been enough for people to realize why competitive play selects only stages without distractiins. It's boring, ruins the pacing if the fight and is just not what competitive play is about.

 

[Flyboy]

Galeem bias

Adeleine just hid behind her painting with Ribbon and the beam got sucked into the canvas.

 

[KarneraMythos]

Galeem bias

Galeem is Sakurai confirmed!

Mario Party isn't produced by Camelot, though. It was produced by HudsonSoft until they went bankrupt (RIP), then handed off to somebody else — I don't remember who it was, and I'm too busy trying to catch up on all my alerts on Smashboards to look it up.

Oh, it isn't? Hmmm, certainly is strange then. Maybe it's due to the one-off nature of most Mario Party games? Just a hunch.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Eh, aside from Marvel, John Wick, and Blade Runner 2049, I haven't been impressed with Cinema as a whole nowadays.

As someone who's a big movie geek

I'm heavily disgusted by your comment

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Anime is such a mixed bag for me.

On the one hand it's grounds for some of the most mature and creative storytelling I've found.
On the other hand it's home to some super infuriating and off-putting cliches.

Not to mention there's a (partially deserved) stigma around anime fans, making it something I don't bring up at the dinner table if you know what I mean.

 

[Saetanigera]

You know, JRPGS tend to have the most divided fabases it seems.

If you sink 100+ hours into a game, I'd say you're invested. You're also unlikely to have the time to play all the other 100+ hour RPGs.

 

[staindgrey]

Finally, Slowpoke gets the love and respect he deserves.

Seeing your favorite pokemon getting some recognition for once. Must be nice.

 

[scoobymcsnack]

I thought watching the Smash tournaments Nintendo hosted and seeing players stop fighting just to deal with hazards would have been enough for people to realize why competitive play selects only stages without distractiins. It's boring, ruins the pacing if the fight and is just not what competitive play is about.

As a casual player, I totally understand why the competitive scene only uses a few stages. If I’m ever doing a “serious” match, I want it to be as fair as possible.

 

[beans]

Adeleine just hid behind her painting with Ribbon and the beam got sucked into the canvas.

Villager should have pocketed the beam
Mario should have spammed cape
Mewtwo should've look angrily at the beam

 

[SlickWylde]

Smash Garbage

Smash Garbage? Are you saying Smash is garbage, or talking about a specific piece of garbage from Smash?

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

How come Smash has never had a Mario Party stage?

Because Smash is already a party game.