Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[GoeGoe]

For you Animal Crossing fans. This is today's official

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

For you Animal Crossing fans. This is today's official

Awesome!

 

[Idon]

Awesome!

Speaking of which, I've been meaning to ask...

What is up with the "Eight Dolls" thing you've got going on in your sig? Why 4 Villagers?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

For you Animal Crossing fans. This is today's official

Not a big fan, but that’s adorable

 

[osby]

For you Animal Crossing fans. This is today's official

Bayonetta, Kid Icarus and now Animal Crossing. In how many franchises Smash is canon?

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

So is everyone gonna bumrush ways to unlock characters or just let it happen naturally?

I think I’m gonna do the latter and not even touch WoL until all the characters are available so I can enjoy it at its own pace

I'm just going to do WoL. Like, I'll binge it within two days, just you watch.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

Speaking of which, I've been meaning to ask...

What is up with the "Eight Dolls" thing you've got going on in your sig? Why 4 Villagers?

Due to their different designs(clothes and hair) I sorta treat the Villagers as different characters like Jr and the Koopalings

 

[GoeGoe]

Awesome!

Glad it pleased you.

Not a big fan, but that’s adorable

It really is.

Bayonetta, Kid Icarus and now Animal Crossing. In how many franchises Smash is canon?

Hopefully more

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Tried my own Sega fighting game roster

Spoiler

Sonic
Tails
Knuckles
Shadow
Amy
Eggman
Akira (Virtua Fighter)
Pai Chan (Virtua Fighter)
Jacky (Virtua Fighter)
Arle (Puyo Puyo)
Amitie (Puyo Puyo)
AiAi/Meemee (Super Monkey Ball)
Samba (Samba De Amigo)
Ulala (Space Channel 5))
Gilius Thunderhead (Golden Axe)
Death Adder (Golden Axe)
Beat/Gum (Jet Set Radio)
NiGHTS (NiGHTS into Dreams))
Reala (NiGHTS into Dreams)
Zobio and Zobiko (House of the Dead)
Squad 7 (Valkyria Chronicles)
Selvaria (Valkyria Chronicles)
Sakura (Sakura Wars)
Erica (Sakura Wars)
Blue Dragon (Panzer Dragoon)
Vyse (Skies of Arcadia)
Ryo (Shenmue)
Lan Di (Shenmue)
Bayonetta
Bonaza Bros
Hotsuma (Shinobi)
Hibana (Shinobi)
Kiryu (Yakuza)
Majima (Yakuza)
Cain (Binary Domain)
Alis (Phantasy Star)
Cast/Caseal (Phantasy Star Online)
Alex Stone (Streets of Rage)
Blaze Fielding (Streets of Rage)
Red/Blue (Gunstar Heroes)
Hornet Car (Daytona)
Outrun Flagman (Outrun)
Space Harrier and Opa Opa
Sketch Turner (Comix Zone)
Alex Kidd/Stella (Alex Kidd)
Temjin (Virtual On)
Fei Yen (Virtual On)
Vectorman
King of Beetles (Mushiking)
Joker (Persona)
Demifeind (SMT)
Segata Sanshiro

Around 52 characters which should be the same amount in smash 4 without DLC and clones added
-I consider PS and PSO to be 2 entirely diff series. I chose Cast race for PSO since i feel its the most popular race from what i remember.
-Wanted to add Slade from Shining Force, Rent-A-Hero, and Asha from Monster World IV but couldnt really them him in and i dont know whats with the ownership situation with MW
-I dont know the situation with Hatsune Miku either
-Pengo and Football Manager was another one but i feel theres already enough weird or retro characters in
-King of Beetles, Outrun Flagman, and Hornet Car are the weird guys if you weren't aware
-Outrun Flagman is based off his Outrunners appearance
-King of Beetles is just a giant Rhinoceros Beetle
-I like the idea of Space Harrier fighting along side a small opa opa sorta like the one from Zillion
-I wanted to put Raidou Kuzunoha from Devil Summoner as the 2nd Atlus rep cause he look so cool but DS is a dead IP and SMT isnt so
-The only Technosoft character i could think of is Thunder Force but the hornet car is already crazy enough as a fighter

 

[PsySmasher]

http://kuroganehammer.com/Ultimate/Weight

Alright. Since we have weights I'm gonna break down the major changes from previous games and newcomers (+- 5 or higher).

If I don't list a character, their weight is within 4 units of their previous iteration. All echos have the same weight as the original.

Get ready.

- weighs 135, up 5 more from Smash 4
- weighs 133, only 2 behind
- weighs 127, up 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 127 also, up 8 from Smash 4
- weighs 118 up 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 116, heavier than I thought he would be
- weigh 107, around where I though they would
- also weighs 107, that's... not too good for him, since he's the largest character in the game
- weighs 106, down 7 from Brawl
- weighs 97, down 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 94, a bit higher than I thought
- weighs 94. Same as , so it makes sense
- weighs 92 , down a whopping 10 from Brawl. Still much heavier than
- weighs 92, down 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 92, down 7 from Smash 4
- weighs 88, makes sense
- weighs 88, down 6 from Smash 4
- weighs 87, up 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 86, down 8 from Smash 4
- weighs 86, down 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 85, up 8 from Smash 4
- weighs 62, up 7 from Melee, is still the lightest losing to by 6 units

Edit: I also made a thread on this in the General Discussion section if you want a quick reference.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

So is everyone gonna bumrush ways to unlock characters or just let it happen naturally?

I think I’m gonna do the latter and not even touch WoL until all the characters are available so I can enjoy it at its own pace

I think I just wanna try and progress through the game naturally.

 

[GoeGoe]

Tried my own Sega fighting game roster

Spoiler

Sonic
Tails
Knuckles
Shadow
Amy
Eggman
Akira (Virtua Fighter)
Pai Chan (Virtua Fighter)
Jacky (Virtua Fighter)
Arle (Puyo Puyo)
Amitie/Meemee (Puyo Puyo)
AiAi (Super Monkey Ball)
Samba (Samba De Amigo)
Ulala (Space Channel 5))
Gilius Thunderhead (Golden Axe)
Death Adder (Golden Axe)
Beat/Gum (Jet Set Radio)
NiGHTS (NiGHTS into Dreams))
Reala (NiGHTS into Dreams)
Zobio and Zobiko (House of the Dead)
Squad 7 (Valkyria Chronicles)
Selvaria (Valkyria Chronicles)
Sakura (Sakura Wars)
Erica (Sakura Wars)
Blue Dragon (Panzer Dragoon)
Vyse (Skies of Arcadia)
Ryo (Shenmue)
Lan Di (Shenmue)
Bayonetta
Bonaza Bros
Hotsuma (Shinobi)
Hibana (Shinobi)
Kiryu (Yakuza)
Majima (Yakuza)
Cain (Binary Domain)
Alis (Phantasy Star)
Cast/Caseal (Phantasy Star Online)
Alex Stone (Streets of Rage)
Blaze Fielding (Streets of Rage)
Red/Blue (Gunstar Heroes)
Hornet Car (Daytona)
Outrun Flagman (Outrun)
Space Harrier and Opa Opa
Sketch Turner (Comix Zone)
Alex Kidd/Stella (Alex Kidd)
Temjin (Virtual On)
Fei Yen (Virtual On)
Vectorman
King of Beetles (Mushiking)
Joker (Persona)
Demifeind (SMT)
Segata Sanshiro

Around 52 characters which should be the same amount in smash 4 without DLC and clones added
-I consider PS and PSO to be 2 entirely diff series. I chose Cast race for PSO since i feel its the most popular race from what i remember.
-Wanted to add Slade from Shining Force, Rent-A-Hero, and Asha from Monster World IV but couldnt really them him in and i dont know whats with the ownership situation with MW
-I dont know the situation with Hatsune Miku either
-Pengo and Football Manager was another one but i feel theres already enough weird or retro characters in
-King of Beetles, Outrun Flagman, and Hornet Car are the weird guys if you weren't aware
-Outrun Flagman is based off his Outrunners appearance
-King of Beetles is just a giant Rhinoceros Beetle
-I like the idea of Space Harrier fighting along side a small opa opa sorta like the one from Zillion
-I wanted to put Raidou Kuzunoha from Devil Summoner as the 2nd Atlus rep cause he look so cool but DS is a dead IP and SMT isnt so

How could you? no Prince Ali

 

[Idon]

Tried my own Sega fighting game roster
-I wanted to put Raidou Kuzunoha from Devil Summoner as the 2nd Atlus rep cause he look so cool but DS is a dead IP and SMT isnt so

Hey now, we got a cameo in the 3DS remake of Soul Hackers, and that was just 2012...

So like, yeah, still not really relevant, but slightly less dead than most other series in Smash!
Seriously though, give me a Raidou Kuzunoha game made by Platinum. I want to do combos with Jack Frost.

Spoiler

That said, if Raidou has to die so Demi-fiend can make it in, then so be it.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

How could you? no Prince Ali

i was actually thinking about both Beyond Oasis and Crusader of Centy but in the end i felt both series are just lost in time forever even more so than the average forgotten sega IP so no Ali or Corona

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

http://kuroganehammer.com/Ultimate/Weight

Alright. Since we have weights I'm gonna break down the major changes from previous games and newcomers (+- 5 or higher).

If I don't list a character, their weight is within 4 units of their previous iteration.

Get ready.

- weighs 135, up 5 more from Smash 4
- weighs 133, only 2 behind
- weighs 127, up 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 127 also, up 8 from Smash 4
- weighs 118 up 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 116, heavier than I thought he would be
- weigh 107, around where I though they would
- also weighs 107, that's... not too good for him, since he's the largest character in the game
- weighs 106, down 7 from Brawl
- weighs 94, a bit higher than I thought
- weighs 94. Same as , so it makes sense
- weighs 92 , down a whopping 10 from Brawl. Still much heavier than
- weighs 92, down 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 92, down 7 from Smash 4
- weighs 88, makes sense
- weighs 88, down 6 from Smash 4
- weighs 87, up 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 86, down 8 from Smash 4
- weighs 86, down 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 85, up 8 from Smash 4
- weighs 62, up 7 from Melee, is still the lightest losing to by 6 units

Geez Ridley is lighter than I thought he would be and Bowser is still the heaviest.

 

[Alternis]

http://kuroganehammer.com/Ultimate/Weight

Alright. Since we have weights I'm gonna break down the major changes from previous games and newcomers (+- 5 or higher).

If I don't list a character, their weight is within 4 units of their previous iteration.

Get ready.

- weighs 135, up 5 more from Smash 4
- weighs 133, only 2 behind
- weighs 127, up 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 127 also, up 8 from Smash 4
- weighs 118 up 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 116, heavier than I thought he would be
- weigh 107, around where I though they would
- also weighs 107, that's... not too good for him, since he's the largest character in the game
- weighs 106, down 7 from Brawl
- weighs 94, a bit higher than I thought
- weighs 94. Same as , so it makes sense
- weighs 92 , down a whopping 10 from Brawl. Still much heavier than
- weighs 92, down 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 92, down 7 from Smash 4
- weighs 88, makes sense
- weighs 88, down 6 from Smash 4
- weighs 87, up 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 86, down 8 from Smash 4
- weighs 86, down 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 85, up 8 from Smash 4
- weighs 62, up 7 from Melee, is still the lightest losing to by 6 units

Wow, I would have never known that they altered any character weights before this. I wonder how much of a difference it makes.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Has anyone done a list of differences between King Dedede from Smash 4? I guess K Rool is looking like he's going to be a top tier heavy but Dedede one of my all time favorites

 

[GoeGoe]

i was actually thinking about both Beyond Oasis and Crusader of Centy but in the end i felt both series are just lost in time forever even more so than the average forgotten sega IP so no Ali or Corona

Who cares if they're forgotton. They're awesome enough and that's what I look for. Bet you some still didn't

 

[---]

http://kuroganehammer.com/Ultimate/Weight

Alright. Since we have weights I'm gonna break down the major changes from previous games and newcomers (+- 5 or higher).

If I don't list a character, their weight is within 4 units of their previous iteration.

Get ready.

- weighs 135, up 5 more from Smash 4
- weighs 133, only 2 behind
- weighs 127, up 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 127 also, up 8 from Smash 4
- weighs 118 up 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 116, heavier than I thought he would be
- weigh 107, around where I though they would
- also weighs 107, that's... not too good for him, since he's the largest character in the game
- weighs 106, down 7 from Brawl
- weighs 94, a bit higher than I thought
- weighs 94. Same as , so it makes sense
- weighs 92 , down a whopping 10 from Brawl. Still much heavier than
- weighs 92, down 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 92, down 7 from Smash 4
- weighs 88, makes sense
- weighs 88, down 6 from Smash 4
- weighs 87, up 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 86, down 8 from Smash 4
- weighs 86, down 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 85, up 8 from Smash 4
- weighs 62, up 7 from Melee, is still the lightest losing to by 6 units

How do we know Piranha Plant's weight? I would assume some of it's data is in the base game?

Little Mac getting a weight increase is probably a buff in his particular situation. Making it harder to off-stage him increases his ability to threaten.

I find it funny that Bayonetta, Sheik, and Diddy Kong all got weight decreases of 3. I hope people stop complaining about Mewtwo being too light now.

 

[MainJPW]

I love these...and I demand one for the Best in the World

Spoiler

Pit somehow remembers Snake but not Lucas and Wolf.

Bayonetta, Kid Icarus and now Animal Crossing. In how many franchises Smash is canon?

It’s just an event that video game characters are invited to, isn’t it? I imagine it’s like any other crossover like...Wreck-it Ralph, Mario & Sonic etc.

Think of video game characters like actors and their (official) appearances in video games and movies are their roles. It’s like how Miyamoto see the Mario series.

 

[Impa4Smash]

I just saw that they got rid of red-haired Robin. She was my main. I can't believe they axed her like that

 

[GoeGoe]

Nintendo Creators Program is no more, starting end of Dec. 2108.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

I just saw that they got rid of red-haired Robin. She was my main. I can't believe they axed her like that

Oh jeez.... Etika’s not gonna like this.....

 

[Impa4Smash]

Oh jeez.... Etika’s not gonna like this.....

Pour one out

Spoiler: neeearr faaaaar whereveeeer yooouuuu areee

 

[Yonder]

http://kuroganehammer.com/Ultimate/Weight

Alright. Since we have weights I'm gonna break down the major changes from previous games and newcomers (+- 5 or higher).

If I don't list a character, their weight is within 4 units of their previous iteration. All echos have the same weight as the original.

Get ready.

- weighs 135, up 5 more from Smash 4
- weighs 133, only 2 behind
- weighs 127, up 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 127 also, up 8 from Smash 4
- weighs 118 up 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 116, heavier than I thought he would be
- weigh 107, around where I though they would
- also weighs 107, that's... not too good for him, since he's the largest character in the game
- weighs 106, down 7 from Brawl
- weighs 97, down 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 94, a bit higher than I thought
- weighs 94. Same as , so it makes sense
- weighs 92 , down a whopping 10 from Brawl. Still much heavier than
- weighs 92, down 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 92, down 7 from Smash 4
- weighs 88, makes sense
- weighs 88, down 6 from Smash 4
- weighs 87, up 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 86, down 8 from Smash 4
- weighs 86, down 5 from Smash 4
- weighs 85, up 8 from Smash 4
- weighs 62, up 7 from Melee, is still the lightest losing to by 6 units

Anyone terrified of Mewtwo yet? Weighs as much as Fox now, even faster on ground, less cool down on teleport, able to act quicker out of side b, and of course, disable...

https://mobile.twitter.com/gakuSSB/status/1067870169916235777/photo/1

Almsot double range.

Yeah he lost a bit of d tilt usability and side b momentum but that's it (and i think u throw kills later but b throw got hella buffed)

I know Dabuz and another top player had him as #1 also atm. Thought I'd remind y'all of Mewtwo who is getting buffed the most alongside Diddy, Pikachu, and Rosa in the top tier section...

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I just saw that they got rid of red-haired Robin. She was my main. I can't believe they axed her like that

May she rest in piece.

 

[DevaAshera]

Thing is he's been right about all his predictions. At this point anything he says is pretty much fact and confirmed.

Trust me, it's really not. Look at his previous non-Smash leaks, he usually is right on until something doesn't end up being true.

I don't know what it is with his leaks, but he always has legit info for a while and then says something that doesn't end up being true.

 

[Zinith]

Nintendo Creators Program is no more, starting end of Dec. 2108.

What, that dreaded program will last for another 90 YEARS?!!!

 

[Blargg888]

So the ICs were kicked out of Smash for illegal teaming, apparently.
Looks like Yoshi isn’t the only criminal ‘round these parts.

DW Rep

I thought this said DK Rap for a second.

 

[MainJPW]

So the ICs were kicked out of Smash for illegal teaming, apparently.

They’re obviously alluding to Wobbling, it’s why they can’t do it in Ultimate anymore.

 

[Impa4Smash]

I thought this said DK Rap for a second.

His coconut gun, fires in spurts, if he shoots ya, you'll probably die

 

[MSmariosonic]

Meshima tested them out and KuroganeHammer shared it on Twitter

http://kuroganehammer.com/Ultimate/Weight

Snake went from 3rd heaviest to 16th/17th heaviest

Looks like his former *** didn't just merely affect aesthetics

 

[FirestormNeos]

Alright, gonna pull out another mini-game cuz I feel like it:

Remove one character from Smash Ultimate. In exchange, you receive an Amiibo of that character made purely out of the precious metal or gemstone of your choice (only the figure itself; the base will remain the same materials Nintendo uses for all Amiibo statue bases) for free.

Who do you pick, and what material do you pick?

I just saw that they got rid of red-haired Robin. She was my main. I can't believe they axed her like that

Oof. That sucks.

So the ICs were kicked out of Smash for illegal teaming, apparently.
Looks like Yoshi isn’t the only criminal ‘round these parts.

 

[ZelDan]

When it comes to Cloud and his VA issues, If they can;t get his english VA I'd rather they just have Cloud not speak at all and make grunting sounds or something. Him being the only one to speak Japanese only when other characters, including Marth and Roy, can speak English, just seems incredibly off.

 

[Impa4Smash]

When it comes to Cloud and his VA issues, If they can;t get his english VA I'd rather they just have Cloud not speak at all and make grunting sounds or something. Him being the only one to speak Japanese only when other characters, including Marth and Roy, can speak English, just seems incredibly off.

Cloud should just say woomy

 

[MSmariosonic]

Regarding someone else replacing Steve Burton

I don't think SE would allow that even if Sakurai begged for it

 

[Impa4Smash]

Regarding someone else replacing Steve Burton

I don't think SE would allow that even if Sakurai begged for it

So what's the deal with Burton and him not voicing Cloud in Smash? What's preventing it?

 

[osby]

When it comes to Cloud and his VA issues, If they can;t get his english VA I'd rather they just have Cloud not speak at all and make grunting sounds or something. Him being the only one to speak Japanese only when other characters, including Marth and Roy, can speak English, just seems incredibly off.

That's pretty selfish. The game is in 11 languages, they shouldn't act like only one of them matters.

Alright, gonna pull out another mini-game cuz I feel like it:

Remove one character from Smash Ultimate. In exchange, you receive an Amiibo of that character made purely out of the precious metal or gemstone of your choice (only the figure itself; the base will remain the same materials Nintendo uses for all Amiibo statue bases) for free.

K.Rool. He'd be out of the game and I'd receive a golden statue that I can sell or reshape. Easy choice.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Regarding someone else replacing Steve Burton

I don't think SE would allow that even if Sakurai begged for it

Steve Burton is contractually obligated to be the Sole English voice of Cloud and he must be credited. There may be some other stipulations, but these are the ones I know off hand. Simply put, Steve is the only person that can be an English speaking Cloud.

So what's the deal with Burton and him not voicing Cloud in Smash? What's preventing it?

Legally Binding Contracts and potentially the Union.

 

[ZelDan]

That's pretty selfish. The game is in 11 languages, they shouldn't act like only one of them matters.



K.Rool. He'd be out of the game and I'd receive a golden statue that I can sell or reshape. Easy choice.

I mean, the Japanese voice acting can still exist for those that want it. if any other language is chosen then it can be grunts. Should probably specify that I don't necessarily want the Japanese voice acting gone, but other regions or language options other than Japan should just change Cloud to not speak.