Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Opossum]

I like Viridi, but I definitely classify her as more of a villain than a hero. I think Sakurai played favorites with her though, since she's the only character in Kid Icarus Uprising that (Uprising SPOILERS)

Spoiler

you NEVER fight. And that includes Palutena and Pit themselves!

But yeah, her body count is up there with Ganondorf's. On her best days, I'd consider her a neutral ally against a greater threat, but she's pretty brutal.

Pretty much the same way, really. I like Viridi in the sense that she's a love-to-hate antagonist/reluctant ally when needed, but like...man, she committed an on-screen genocide against the human race. Some folks act like she did nothing wrong lol.

 

[osby]

I always loved how some said "urtrash" despite me having a bigger win count by a large margin

Never change For Glory, never change...

We're going to lost so many For Glory common-stays and none of them was good.

 

[Raxxel]

I'm sure Viridi would love to come down to Smash and say that **** to Mewtwo.

I mean Viridi isn't lying about them...................

Call my man Mewtwo an abomination again and I will shadow ball your kneecaps.

 

[beans]

I always loved how some said "urtrash" despite me having a bigger win count by a large margin

Never change For Glory, never change...

I want to slowly say
youcant
stopme
imgonna
saythe
nword

 

[Xphooni]

I always loved how some said "urtrash" despite me having a bigger win count by a large margin

Never change For Glory, never change...

For glory somehow manages to make itself the most cancerous online mode while somehow maintaining the least cancerous side.

 

[Raxxel]

I want to slowly say
youcant
stopme
imgonna
saythe
nword

mrsobama
getdown

 

[Deleted member]

I just wanted to let you guys know that Zoe in Smash isn't just a stupid idea I had and stuck with. I actually made a full-fledged moveset concept for her.

Spoiler: The Moveset, if anyone's interested

Jab: A standard 3-hit combo: left paw strike, right paw strike, and an overhead swipe with both paws.

F-Tilt: Swings a microphone in front of her.

Up-Tilt: Spins a scarf above her, similarly to Palutena’s up-tilt.

Down-Tilt: Rolls forward. Can be used quicker in succession than Dedede’s roll, but deals less damage and slightly higher knockback.

N-Air: Kicks with her front and back paws, damaging fighters both in front of her and behind her.

F-Air: A quick 2-hit swipe of her claws.

Back-Air: Slams the microphone used in her F-Tilt into any fighters behind her. Has a very slight windbox.

Up-Air: Whips the scarf used in her Up-Tilt straight upward.

Down-Air: Charges for a moment, then swings her tail down. Has a meteor effect right when she swings.

Grab: Grabs a foe and pummels them with a coat hanger.

F-Throw: Throws the grabbed opponent forward, quickly following up with a barrage of sequins.

Back-Throw: Throws the grabbed opponent backward and kicks them away.

Up-Throw: Throws the grabbed opponent upward and slices them with her claws.

Down-Throw: Slams the grabbed opponent down, burying them.

Get-Up Attack: Fires 2 quick bursts of sequins on either side of her.

Ledge Attack: Fires a burst of sequins in front of her. Slightly stronger than her Get-Up Attack.

F-Smash: Quickly extends a microphone stand forward.

Up-Smash: Quickly extends a microphone stand upward.

Down-Smash: Swings the scarf she uses for her Up-Tilt and Up-Air in a circle around her. Has a slight windbox.

STANDARD SPECIAL: Strike a Pose!

Strikes a pose in place, damaging and launching nearby foes. If you hold the button, small shockwaves will be sent out on either side of Zoe, but this leaves her vulnerable to anyone who blocked the pose attack.

SIDE SPECIAL: Highest Note

Shoots a mid-low range, music note shaped projectile. It doesn’t deal much damage but has the second-highest knockback of any projectile, second only to Mega Man’s F-Smash.

UP SPECIAL: Spinnerrific Recovery

Zoe spins in an upward tornado motion, gaining height while also pushing opponents away. When used on the ground, this becomes a damaging move where she spins in place.

DOWN SPECIAL: Pocket Mirror

Zoe uses a pocket mirror to reflect projectiles at 1.5x the power and speed. If used when a fighter is right in front of Zoe, it does a small amount of damage but no knockback.

FINAL SMASH: Down the Runway

Like other characters with cutscene Final Smashes, Zoe attempts to trap fighters with an attack and, if successful, triggers the cutscene. For Zoe, the trapping attack is a dress rack that rolls onto the stage from the foreground, and the cutscene is her dazzling the trapped fighters with her runway moves. After the cutscene ends, the trapped fighters are launched.

 

[KingofKoopas]

All the bad gods end up the same way...

Killed by Kratos.

...and the good gods, and the neutral gods. And the heroes just doing their job, and the two hot fate sisters, and jabba the hutt, and poseidon's side piece, and the ship captain... several thousand innocent civilians...

 

[TriforceBun]

I always loved how some said "urtrash" despite me having a bigger win count by a large margin

Never change For Glory, never change...

Yeah, it's aggravating because you'll often get insulted whether you win or lose, as long as you're playing against a crabby enough player. If you lose, they'll get smug and say USUCK or whatever. If you win, they'll get indignant and throw out a URCHEAP. This stuff shouldn't bug me, but it's annoying regardless.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I just wanted to let you guys know that Zoe in Smash isn't just a stupid idea I had and stuck with. I actually made a full-fledged moveset concept for her.

Spoiler: The Moveset, if anyone's interested

Jab: A standard 3-hit combo: left paw strike, right paw strike, and an overhead swipe with both paws.

F-Tilt: Swings a microphone in front of her.

Up-Tilt: Spins a scarf above her, similarly to Palutena’s up-tilt.

Down-Tilt: Rolls forward. Can be used quicker in succession than Dedede’s roll, but deals less damage and slightly higher knockback.

N-Air: Kicks with her front and back paws, damaging fighters both in front of her and behind her.

F-Air: A quick 2-hit swipe of her claws.

Back-Air: Slams the microphone used in her F-Tilt into any fighters behind her. Has a very slight windbox.

Up-Air: Whips the scarf used in her Up-Tilt straight upward.

Down-Air: Charges for a moment, then swings her tail down. Has a meteor effect right when she swings.

Grab: Grabs a foe and pummels them with a coat hanger.

F-Throw: Throws the grabbed opponent forward, quickly following up with a barrage of sequins.

Back-Throw: Throws the grabbed opponent backward and kicks them away.

Up-Throw: Throws the grabbed opponent upward and slices them with her claws.

Down-Throw: Slams the grabbed opponent down, burying them.

Get-Up Attack: Fires 2 quick bursts of sequins on either side of her.

Ledge Attack: Fires a burst of sequins in front of her. Slightly stronger than her Get-Up Attack.

F-Smash: Quickly extends a microphone stand forward.

Up-Smash: Quickly extends a microphone stand upward.

Down-Smash: Swings the scarf she uses for her Up-Tilt and Up-Air in a circle around her. Has a slight windbox.

STANDARD SPECIAL: Strike a Pose!

Strikes a pose in place, damaging and launching nearby foes. If you hold the button, small shockwaves will be sent out on either side of Zoe, but this leaves her vulnerable to anyone who blocked the pose attack.

SIDE SPECIAL: Highest Note

Shoots a mid-low range, music note shaped projectile. It doesn’t deal much damage but has the second-highest knockback of any projectile, second only to Mega Man’s F-Smash.

UP SPECIAL: Spinnerrific Recovery

Zoe spins in an upward tornado motion, gaining height while also pushing opponents away. When used on the ground, this becomes a damaging move where she spins in place.

DOWN SPECIAL: Pocket Mirror

Zoe uses a pocket mirror to reflect projectiles at 1.5x the power and speed. If used when a fighter is right in front of Zoe, it does a small amount of damage but no knockback.

FINAL SMASH: Down the Runway

Like other characters with cutscene Final Smashes, Zoe attempts to trap fighters with an attack and, if successful, triggers the cutscene. For Zoe, the trapping attack is a dress rack that rolls onto the stage from the foreground, and the cutscene is her dazzling the trapped fighters with her runway moves. After the cutscene ends, the trapped fighters are launched.

Huh, that's quite cool, actually.

 

[Deleted member]

Huh, that's quite cool, actually.

Thank you! I worked really hard on it. :3

 

[Paperchampion23]

Im not entirely sure about Sylux, but i do know Rhythm Girl and Porky are effectly big main characters in their respective series. Not only this, but Gigyas is even missing from the spirits list, whom id assume would be a theoretical Porkys final smash or associated with it.

I think people are taking the "promotional" aspect of DLC way too seriously. It never HAS to be a promotional character. Just even looking at the base game, Ultimate added Ridley and K. Rool, and while they have popular fanbases, they have hardly been relevant in recent Nintendo history. Same goes for Simon and Richter. Castlevania is popular, but lets not forget how Konami essentially dropped the series and Simon/Richter are some of the oldest Belmonts. Even Incineroar is about to get phased out nexr year when Gen 8 comes.

I can tell you from a General Audience perspective, MANY people had no idea who Ridley, K. Rool, and Simon were before Smash, yet they are new inclusions made for the game. Their designs and gameplay alone sold people on them. Its exactly how character like Ness, Roy, Pit and IC became popular over time.


All im saying is we only have Smash 4 DLC to go off of in terms of predictions, and even that is hard to base anything off of because it had 3 vets, 2 extremely iconic characters in the form of Cloud and Ryu, who were promoting nothing at the time, Corrin who was a literal "who?" to anyone outside of Japan, and Bayonetta who is not NEARLY as popular as people make her out to be (and she was promoting zilch since her game came out 2 years prior and to this day has sold only 700,000 copies with the switch version too...fyi its not alot.)

So honestly, while basing anything off of spirits is silly in the long run, its not shocking to see Nintendo picking random characters that look fun to play. Why? Because people will gobble it up anyway. I have never imagined K. Rool or Simon to be this popular after Smash. Nintendo could literally make anyone DLC and sell it extremely well.


So yea, we CAN get Sylux, Porky, Rhythm Girl due to their conspicuous absense out of 1300 nintendo or nintendo affliliated characters, especially when their own property has much more obscure characters. We CAN get a promotional rep because why not. We CAN get more iconic characters (i am personally hoping for Banjo). There really isnt a pattern. Literally anyone is up for grabs.

 

[beans]

Yeah, it's aggravating because you'll often get insulted whether you win or lose, as long as you're playing against a crabby enough player. If you lose, they'll get smug and say USUCK or whatever. If you win, they'll get indignant and throw out a URCHEAP. This stuff shouldn't bug me, but it's annoying regardless.

Man, trash talking is really childish but for me its just so funny, I cant stop looking at it.
Also the logical end point of any confrontation will always be the good old "no u"

 

[Cosmic77]

I actually like the toxicity of online. Makes my win so much sweeter when they insult me with something petty like "SOBAD" "LEARNHOW" "TOPLAY" only to immediately leave afterwards because they're afraid they'll lose again and add insult to injury.

 

[Opossum]

...and the good gods, and the neutral gods. And the heroes just doing their job, and the two hot fate sisters, and jabba the hutt, and poseidon's side piece, and the ship captain... several thousand innocent civilians...

Poor Hephaestus didn't deserve that...

 

[AIM0001]

this Xenother guy is not one of Verge's "buddies" and whatever he claimed is also posted on 4channel as well
he could be planting fake rumors like the TRF guy one month ago

EDIT: forget the 4channel bit, recently read his new post which Verge confirmed he spoke to him
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77228568

good for him for not pulling a loz18

What makes this guy so special? Out of him, and Itagi. He outright deconfirms Sora and Geno. Also with the uncertainty going around for Steve. He seems to think he’s in no matter what. But what kind track record does this guy even have? I’m obviously being bitter because he deconfirms Geno haha but still dude....

 

[Raxxel]

I actually like the toxicity of online. Makes my win so much sweeter when they insult me with something petty like "SOBAD" "LEARNHOW" "TOPLAY" only to immediately leave afterwards because they're afraid they'll lose again and add insult to injury.

Yeah, but then it sucks to lose because you fed the ego of some brat and gave them the satisfaction of them being better than you.

 

[beans]

Im not entirely sure about Sylux, but i do know Rhythm Girl and Porky are effectly big main characters in their respective series. Not only this, but Gigyas is even missing from the spirits list.

I think people are taking the "promotional" aspect of DLC way too seriously. It never HAS to be a promotional character. Just even looking at the base game, Ultimate added Ridley and K. Rool, and while they have popular fanbases, they have hardly been relevant in recent Nintendo history. Same goes for Simon and Richter. Castlevania is popular, but lets not forget how Konami essentially dropped the series and Simon/Richter are some of the oldest Belmonts. Even Incineroar is about to get phased out nexr year when Gen 8 comes.

I can tell you from a General Audience perspective, MANY people had no idea who Ridley, K. Rool, and Simon were before Smash, yet they are new inclusions made for the game. Their designs and gameplay alone sold people on them. Its exactly how character like Ness, Roy, Pit and IC became popular over time.


All im saying is we only have Smash 4 DLC to go off of in terms of predictions, and even that is hard to base anything off of because it had 3 vets, 2 extremely iconic characters in the form of Cloud and Ryu, who were promoting nothing at the time, Corrin who was a literal "who?" to anyone outside of Japan, and Bayonetta who is not NEARLY as popular as people make her out to be (and she was promoting zilch since her game came out 2 years prior and to this day has sold only 700,000 copies with the switch version too...fyi its not alot.)

So honestly, while basing anything off of spirits is silly in the long run, its not shocking to see Nintendo picking random characters that look fun to play. Why? Because people will gobble it up anyway. I have never imagined K. Rool or Simon to be this popular after Smash. Nintendo could literally make anyone DLC and sell it extremely well.


So yea, we CAN get Sylux, Porky, Rhythm Girl due to their conspicuous absense out of 1300 nintendo or nintendo affliliated characters, especially when their own property has much more obscure characters. We CAN get a promotional rep because why not. We CAN get more iconic characters (i am personally hoping for Banjo). There really isnt a pattern. Literally anyone is up for grabs.

You know, I dont expect any promotional picks. Outside of Pokemon of course.
Corrin was picked cause the development team love FE and got Sakurai to put him in, despite Sakurai's own belief of there already being enough FE fighters.
Nintendo never really put a hand on who gets in and who should be cut. They let Sakurai do whatever he wants with rooster, considering the Surprise picks, like the most referred retro reps and Pirana Plant, heck they let Sakurai straight up pick a a dead ip and make an OC out of it to put in game.

 

[Deleted member]

Was anyone that's here now here on Friday night

 

[The DanMan051]

I think people are taking the "promotional" aspect of DLC way too seriously. It never HAS to be a promotional character. Just even looking at the base game

Base game=/=DLC. Based on Smash 4's DLC newcomers, there was one 1st party promotional pick (Corrin), a 3rd party promotional pick (Bayonetta), and two genuinely popular 3rd party picks (Cloud and Ryu).

I think that's where people are getting the idea; hard precedence.

 

[Cosmic77]

Im not entirely sure about Sylux, but i do know Rhythm Girl and Porky are effectly big main characters in their respective series. Not only this, but Gigyas is even missing from the spirits list.

I think people are taking the "promotional" aspect of DLC way too seriously. It never HAS to be a promotional character. Just even looking at the base game, Ultimate added Ridley and K. Rool, and while they have popular fanbases, they have hardly been relevant in recent Nintendo history. Same goes for Simon and Richter. Castlevania is popular, but lets not forget how Konami essentially dropped the series and Simon/Richter are some of the oldest Belmonts. Even Incineroar is about to get phased out nexr year when Gen 8 comes.

I can tell you from a General Audience perspective, MANY people had no idea who Ridley, K. Rool, and Simon were before Smash, yet they are new inclusions made for the game. Their designs and gameplay alone sold people on them. Its exactly how character like Ness, Roy, Pit and IC became popular over time.


All im saying is we only have Smash 4 DLC to go off of in terms of predictions, and even that is hard to base anything off of because it had 3 vets, 2 extremely iconic characters in the form of Cloud and Ryu, who were promoting nothing at the time, Corrin who was a literal "who?" to anyone outside of Japan, and Bayonetta who is not NEARLY as popular as people make her out to be (and she was promoting zilch since her game came out 2 years prior and to this day has sold only 700,000 copies with the switch version too...fyi its not alot.)

So honestly, while basing anything off of spirits is silly in the long run, its not shocking to see Nintendo picking random characters that look fun to play. Why? Because people will gobble it up anyway. I have never imagined K. Rool or Simon to be this popular after Smash. Nintendo could literally make anyone DLC and sell it extremely well.


So yea, we CAN get Sylux, Porky, Rhythm Girl due to their conspicuous absense out of 1300 nintendo or nintendo affliliated properties, especially when their own property has much more obscure characters. We CAN get a promotional rep because why not. We CAN get more iconic characters (i am personally hoping for Banjo). There really isnt a pattern. Literally anyone is up for grabs.

The only problem with this argument is that it relies entirely on missing Spirits, focusing more on their absence meaning something rather than it being a coincidence.

If Nintendo chose characters based off of how much fun and unique they'd be, then there'd be an endless number of options, and that would include characters who are already Spirits. Should that be the case, I doubt Sylux or Porky would be anywhere close to being their first picks. Possibly Rhythm Girl, but there's more than one character they could choose to represent Rhythm Heaven.

Personally, I'm going to believe most DLC choices had a bigger incentive, whether that was promotion for relevant games or cooperating with other third-party companies.

 

[beans]

Base game=/=DLC. Based on Smash 4's DLC newcomers, there was one 1st party promotional pick (Corrin), a 3rd party promotional pick (Bayonetta), and two genuinely popular 3rd party picks (Cloud and Ryu).

I think that's where people are getting the idea; hard precedence.

I'd like to add misinformation.
Corrin was development team pick, cause the devs like FE.
Bayonetta could be argued that she got in a the ballot pick. Could. A promotional pick for a relatively old game sounds wrong.

People just tend to use their overall lack of popularity at the time as an argument to them being "shill picks", without adressing Sakurai's statement on Corrin or "insert arguemnt for bayonetta here"

 

[Pakky]

I'd like to add misinformation.
Corring was development team pick, cause the devs like FE.
Bayonetta could be argued that she got in a the ballot pick. Could. A promotional pick for a relatively old game sounds wrong.

True though it was a a old game that Nintendo was fully behind and we really don't know when 3 had began developing.

Also the design changes to have me convinced that she was prepared for the game from the start.

 

[Paperchampion23]

The only problem with this argument is that it relies entirely on missing Spirits, focusing more on their absence meaning something rather than it being a coincidence.

If Nintendo chose characters based off of how much fun and unique they'd be, then there'd be an endless number of options, and that would include characters who are already Spirits. Should that be the case, I doubt Sylux or Porky would be anywhere close to being their first picks. Possibly Rhythm Girl, but there's more than one character they could choose to represent Rhythm Heaven.

Personally, I'm going to believe most DLC choices had a bigger incentive, whether that was promotion for relevant games or cooperating with other third-party companies.

Im not even saying they are going to be picks, im just saying there is no reason they cant be picks. I absolutely hate when people say "they arent relevant" when Ultimate added like 3 irrelevant characters (to the general audience) to hype the game's release.

And which character is more "fun" is also your opinion

 

[The DanMan051]

I'd like to add misinformation.
Corring was development team pick, cause the devs like FE.
Bayonetta could be argued that she got in a the ballot pick. Could. A promotional pick for a relatively old game sounds wrong.

Corrin was specifically under consideration because they wanted a promotional 1st party character.

And Bayonetta 2 received a reprint right before she was released as DLC, IIRC.

 

[Flyboy]

I feel weird when I hear that people were surprised about Pit in Brawl. He had a big groundswell of support after Melee, especially in the UK gaming mags.

 

[Luigifan18]

Ah right, I kinda forget Viridi committing genocide is canon

Genocide is wiping out an entire ethnicity or social group (like a religion). What Viridi did is simply mass murder.

 

[Iddis]

Pretty much the same way, really. I like Viridi in the sense that she's a love-to-hate antagonist/reluctant ally when needed, but like...man, she committed an on-screen genocide against the human race. Some folks act like she did nothing wrong lol.

Not to mention after doing so the first time she nonchalantly taunts about wondering where to drop the next reset bomb

 

[Cosmic77]

I'd like to add misinformation.
Corring was development team pick, cause the devs like FE.
Bayonetta could be argued that she got in a the ballot pick. Could. A promotional pick for a relatively old game sounds wrong.

If the ballot was meaningless and the DLC was already decided, then it's no secret why Nintendo was interested in Bayonetta. Clearly they had plans for her in the future, and I'm sure Bayo 3 was something they really wanted on the Switch as an exclusive.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

A little fun news:

Myrtha has been censored a Ultimate for some reason.

Makes sense that they censored her chest since her cleavage is revealed. Interestingly, they seemingly censored the legs of Myrtha to resemble pants. Take a look!

Before
View attachment 179934
After
View attachment 179936

I think the edit looks better.

 

[Pyra]

Genocide is wiping out an entire ethnicity or social group (like a religion). What Viridi did is simply mass murder.

Viridi wants to destroy the human race.

 

[Kuon]

Pretty much the same way, really. I like Viridi in the sense that she's a love-to-hate antagonist/reluctant ally when needed, but like...man, she committed an on-screen genocide against the human race. Some folks act like she did nothing wrong lol.

Another reason to love her

 

[Zeox]

Im not entirely sure about Sylux, but i do know Rhythm Girl and Porky are effectly big main characters in their respective series. Not only this, but Gigyas is even missing from the spirits list, whom id assume would be a theoretical Porkys final smash or associated with it.

I think people are taking the "promotional" aspect of DLC way too seriously. It never HAS to be a promotional character. Just even looking at the base game, Ultimate added Ridley and K. Rool, and while they have popular fanbases, they have hardly been relevant in recent Nintendo history. Same goes for Simon and Richter. Castlevania is popular, but lets not forget how Konami essentially dropped the series and Simon/Richter are some of the oldest Belmonts. Even Incineroar is about to get phased out nexr year when Gen 8 comes.

I can tell you from a General Audience perspective, MANY people had no idea who Ridley, K. Rool, and Simon were before Smash, yet they are new inclusions made for the game. Their designs and gameplay alone sold people on them. Its exactly how character like Ness, Roy, Pit and IC became popular over time.


All im saying is we only have Smash 4 DLC to go off of in terms of predictions, and even that is hard to base anything off of because it had 3 vets, 2 extremely iconic characters in the form of Cloud and Ryu, who were promoting nothing at the time, Corrin who was a literal "who?" to anyone outside of Japan, and Bayonetta who is not NEARLY as popular as people make her out to be (and she was promoting zilch since her game came out 2 years prior and to this day has sold only 700,000 copies with the switch version too...fyi its not alot.)

So honestly, while basing anything off of spirits is silly in the long run, its not shocking to see Nintendo picking random characters that look fun to play. Why? Because people will gobble it up anyway. I have never imagined K. Rool or Simon to be this popular after Smash. Nintendo could literally make anyone DLC and sell it extremely well.


So yea, we CAN get Sylux, Porky, Rhythm Girl due to their conspicuous absense out of 1300 nintendo or nintendo affliliated characters, especially when their own property has much more obscure characters. We CAN get a promotional rep because why not. We CAN get more iconic characters (i am personally hoping for Banjo). There really isnt a pattern. Literally anyone is up for grabs.

Let's be honest, Smash DLCs are gonna sell no matter who the characters are, competitive players will buy them to have the full roster and to make sure they have the "strongest" character.
Completionist players will buy them, and people that are interested in 2 or 3 will buy the whole DLC pack, hell, there will be some people that will buy the whole pack of 5 DLC characters before a single one is revealed!
And even if a character was pretty boring, the stage and music could compensate for that, for example a Steve DLC sounds super boring for me, but I would totally buy a Steve DLC just for the chance of having a Minecraft stage, because it sounds extremely interesting and cool.

 

[Curious Villager]

I like Viridi, but I definitely classify her as more of a villain than a hero. I think Sakurai played favorites with her though, since she's the only character in Kid Icarus Uprising that (Uprising SPOILERS)

Spoiler

you NEVER fight. And that includes Palutena and Pit themselves!

But yeah, her body count is up there with Ganondorf's. On her best days, I'd consider her a neutral ally against a greater threat, but she's pretty brutal.

I believe Sakurai gave a reason why you never got to fight Viridi in Uprising. Something about not finding it right to beat up a young girl if I recall correctly. Which probably explains why there haven't been that many in Smash unless you count the female Villager and Nana....

 

[Pakky]

A little fun news:

Myrtha has been censored a Ultimate for some reason.

Makes sense that they censored her chest since her cleavage is revealed. Interestingly, they seemingly censored the legs of Myrtha to resemble pants. Take a look!

Before
View attachment 179934
After
View attachment 179936

Not a bad edit a tad silly as Pyra wasn't censored from what I saw, but... okay?

 

[beans]

True though it was a a old game that Nintendo was fully behind and we really don't know when 3 had began developing.

Also the design changes to have me convinced that she was prepared for the game from the start.

I dont like to reffer to the possibility that Bayonetta was already planned, since it paints the Ballot as a cover up for a shill pick.
The ballot was just overall really misinformative, with no real objective given and no indication if votes for already deconfirmed characters would be taken into account for a future game, or since they already disconfirmed the votes will nullified

 

[Luigifan18]

Viridi wants to destroy the human race.

Ah, yes, that's true. But that's still not quite genocide, that's... something worse than genocide.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Viridi wants to destroy the human race.

Eh, I don't mind that about her.

 

[Opossum]

Genocide is wiping out an entire ethnicity or social group (like a religion). What Viridi did is simply mass murder.

Genocide is the targeted extermination of a specific group. In this case, the group in question is humanity, as opposed to gods or non-human natural beings.

 

[Pakky]

Viridi wants to destroy the human race.

Well she's not getting a Mc Flurry from Mc Donalds then. Mean babies get nothing but their happy meal and a quiet ride back home.