Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[PeridotGX]

On the topic of visions, awhile back I had a dream about a Smash 5 reveal trailer.

• Bandanna Dee was added as a newcomer. He had the propeller attack from RTDL
• Town and City returned.
• Mr. Frosty and Walrein were new Assist Trophies and Pokeball characters respectively.

WHO do we actually expect to be in this game, anyway?

Based on Smashboards we are only getting Inklings and Ice Climbers.

I say that Bandana Dee is an incredibly safe bet. Same with Yarn Yoshi on the clone front

 

[True Blue Warrior]

WHO do we actually expect to be in this game, anyway?

Based on Smashboards we are only getting Inklings and Ice Climbers.

Well that's the thing. There are no shoo-ins at this point.

 

[Starcutter]

I don't think Marx will have the "fleeting character" status like mostly every single character that doesn't make common recurrence.

Why?

Because Marx is the Final Boss from Kirby Super Star.

Want to know why this matters? Not only were Kirby Super Star and Kirby Super Star Ultra highly regarded as the best Kirby games of all time, but Kirby Super Star was Sakurai's last original Kirby game (other than Air Ride)

Most of the Kirby content is taken straight from Kirby Super Star. I'd bet if Sakurai wanted to add another Kirby character Super Star would be one of the first places he'd look.

That in itself should keep Marx on the map for a while, now that people are even aware of his presence


I still would rather have Dark Matter

 

[FlareHabanero]

Want to know why this matters? Not only were Kirby Super Star and Kirby Super Star Ultra highly regarded as the best Kirby games of all time, but Kirby Super Star was Sakurai's last original Kirby game.

Actually it was Kirby Air Ride.

 

[YoshiandToad]

WHO do we actually expect to be in this game, anyway?

Based on Smashboards we are only getting Inklings and Ice Climbers.

Lots from what I've seen seem to be predicting:
K. Rool or Dixie, although we know how that went LAST time
Bandana Dee
Wolf to return
Decidueye, although Mimikyu, Incinroar and Lycanroc have some following
A Mario character. No consensus across the board though on whom.
Springman
Rex(and Pyra)
Takamaru, again, we know how this went last time

That's what the majority have boiled it down to from what I've noticed at least, but even then every single one of the above has a bigger questionmark above them than Little Mac, Shulk and Palutena from last time.

Donkey Kong could be ignored again or maybe Funky will get in due to his new mode,
Marx is brought up as a rival to Bandana Dee for that desired fourth Kirby character and who's to say Kirby will get a newcomer?
Wolf may not make the cut again due to Starfox Zero being a flop,
A gen 8 Pokemon may be planned,
There's no guarantee Switch characters are getting a look in on the initial roster at least,
No guarantee Takamaru is going to get on
Maybe we won't even see a Mario newcomer at all...

...ok, I doubt that. Mario's getting a newcomer in some context even if it's not directly as part of the Mario series(Like Wario or Yoshi)
Mario's franchise was one of the few mega busy ones on the Wii U(unsurprisingly) so I'd be more shocked if none of the Mario options made the list.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Well that's the thing. There are no shoo-ins at this point.

Yep, the only shoo-in was a Splatoon rep and we got just that.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

WHO do we actually expect to be in this game, anyway?

Based on Smashboards we are only getting Inklings and Ice Climbers.

There are no 100% shoe-in's at this point. As much as people want to toss around stats and precedence, no character is guaranteed this time around.

I mean, there's a few people I find likely, but nothing I'd bet the farm on.

 

[Starcutter]

Actually it was Kirby Air Ride.

You right. I should have clarified it as Kirby platformer. Whoops.

 

[Radical Bones]

Prior to the announcement, the only characters I would have considered shoe-ins were Inklings.

I honestly have no idea who to expect. Potentially more third parties? More retro reps? Existing series expansions?

Find out on the the next episode of Dragon Ball Z.

 

[Deleted member]

I would argue that there were not guaranteeds in Smash for the most part.

G&W in Melee, R.O.B in Brawl, Cloud in Smash 4, yadda yadda yadda.

I just think that now people have slowly started to realize this due to the Smash 4 speculation era beign so full of twists and turns.

There's also the issue of "if these characters are so important and necessary in Smash, why were they tossed to the side in the previous game?".

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I'll do a couple of these:

Leader:


Chief of Artillery:


Hired Hand:


Hired Hand:


Bio Weapon/ Trump Card:



We don't have enough villains in Smash

At this point, only Ganondorf and Bowser are considered true villains. Meta Knight and Wario are more portrayed as rivals or anti-heroes, while Mewtwo is neutral.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Based on popularity in Japan and everywhere really, the AC reps like Tom Nook/Isabelle are a pretty safe bet.

The amount of merch for both of these two alone is insane. They're more of a face of that franchise than the Villager avatar character is.

 

[Knight Dude]

I can't think of too many characters that I'd call obvious choices this time around. I mean, maaaaybe Spring Man, but a major discussion here is whether or not ARMS is too new for Sakurai to have known of him or anyone in ARMS' roster. Y'know, outside of the Inklings that we saw when the game was announced.

Personally, I'd say an "obvious" thing in the game's roster is that the Ballot will play a role in at least a couple of new characters being playable.

For what I'd want, Isaac, Sylux and/or Ridley(probably not happening) and maybe Dixie or K.Rool. Chibi Robo and Paper Mario too I guess if I wanted to go past 5 characters.

I hope the weirdo freaks in this game are cool though. Duck Hunt was actually fun to play.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

As far as retro reps go Takamaru is still pretty up there and a safe bet, but I'd wager because of Iwata's passing Sakurai might honor him with Balloon Fighter as a playable retro rep.

I doubt Ice Climbers coming back will count as Switch's retro rep and every game has added a new retro rep.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Even when Smash 4 was coming around there's weren't anyone I'd call solid bets. The closest to that were Bowser Jr. and Mega Man, maybe Little Mac.

I'm not calling anyone this time around a shoe-in.

 

[Deleted member]

but I'd wager because of Iwata's passing Sakurai might honor him with Balloon Fighter as a playable retro rep.

I really wish people would stop thinking like this.
It honestly comes off as desperation for Balloon Fighter supporters considering they've brought this up since Smash 4 DLC. Like not long after Iwata died, even.

We're not getting Balloon Fighter as a "tribute" to Iwata.
If we are going to get ANY character to serve as tribute, it will be Ossan.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Pac Man was pretty easy to call in Smash 4, what with Bandai Namco helping Sakurai.

Villager was also easy to predict even with Sakurai's ''pacifist" lie he told for Brawl. That series was way too huge to go without playable representation.

 

[Icedragonadam]

I do hope we are getting some info before E3. It just seems like bad marketing to make a teaser then wait 3 months until E3(and the little time after that) to give information for a game that's suppose to come out this year.

 

[Radical Bones]

Actually if I had to predict a shoe-in I'd have to go with... Isabelle.

I just think she's too popular in Japan to ignore. She's the face of the official Twitter and in like, every piece of media they release.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

There is still one shoe-inn left.

It's Master Hands equivalent, the Master Shoe.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I really wish people would stop thinking like this.
It honestly comes off as desperation for Balloon Fighter supporters considering they've brought this up since Smash 4 DLC.

We're not getting Balloon Fighter as a "tribute" to Iwata.
If we are going to get ANY character to serve as tribute, it will be Ossan.

I remember seeing this character mentioned in a top Smash Switch newcomers video once. I thought it was a strange choice at first, but I guess he was more a notable candidate than I realized. I would like to know more about Ossan Golden. This is a character I have yet to actually explore.

 

[Knight Dude]

I really wish people would stop thinking like this.
It honestly comes off as desperation for Balloon Fighter supporters considering they've brought this up since Smash 4 DLC. Like not long after Iwata died, even.

We're not getting Balloon Fighter as a "tribute" to Iwata.
If we are going to get ANY character to serve as tribute, it will be Ossan.

Seems kind of...wrong to use a person's death hoping they get a tribute in game though. I get people wanted a Balloon Fighter in before Iwata's untimely passing. But using that as an extra incentive for support is weird.

 

[Chandeelure]

At this point, only Ganondorf and Bowser are considered true villains. Meta Knight and Wario are more portrayed as rivals or anti-heroes, while Mewtwo is neutral.

I think Mewtwo in Smash is a villain considering he is portrayed as an edgy character with no feelings, has darkness powers and was in the Event 51 of Melee.

Wario was evil in SSE and even had that trophy gun thing that only the villains had.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I highly doubt Balloon Fighter fans are that selfish, if anything, the most forefront thought of people's reasoning to include B. Fighter in their rosters is honoring Iwata's legacy. It's not really an extra incentive.

I have been at the Switch support thread for Balloon Fighter, and no one acts that desperate for B. Fighter.

 

[Chandeelure]

Something weird I remember about Smash 4 speculation is that Ashley wasn't really that requested, but when she was disconfirmed people were really mad and acted like she was one of the most popular characters ever.

At least that is what I remember lol.

 

[Knight Dude]

Something weird I remember about Smash 4 speculation is that Ashley wasn't really that requested, but when she was disconfirmed people were really mad and acted like she was one of the most popular characters ever.

At least that is what I remember lol.

She was still the most liked for a Wario character. Since there's like 3 people who wanted Mona. 2 people that Wanted the Shake King, and another 2 for Captain Syrup.

Captain Syrup's redesign is really cool and all, but since she doesn't really fight directly, you'd have to make up a lot of her tech. Granted, being a pirate is enough of a gimmick to make that work, much in the same way Sheik is a ninja, or Marth a swordsman(I know some of his moves have inspiration, but he's more of the de-facto sword guy than Link and Ike I feel.)

 

[Chandeelure]

She was still the most liked for a Wario character. Since there's like 3 people who wanted Mona. 2 people that Wanted the Shake King, and another 2 for Captain Syrup.

Captain Syrup's redesign is really cool and all, but since she doesn't really fight directly, you'd have to make up a lot of her tech. Granted, being a pirate is enough of a gimmick to make that work, much in the same way Sheik is a ninja, or Marth a swordsman(I know some of his moves have inspiration, but he's more of the de-facto sword guy than Link and Ike I feel.)

Yeah, I think Marth was based on fencing... I think.

 

[Superyoshiom]

Here's a question: Are our "expectations" for Smash altering our desires?

For example, I "expect" Decidueye to be playable going off past patterns. But while I like the character in Sun and Moon, I'm not really that strongly attached to him. On the other hand, I loved Greninja in X and Y but never expected him in the game.

I feel this might be happening for a few characters like Crash, Rayman, Pyra, and Bandanna Dee (even though I love him). Though I can't speak for everyone, it's something to condsider.

 

[HyperSomari64]

I think that a 4th party character will be a fresh but expensive idea, but no Goku or Shrek, i prefer who SpongeBob, Mickey Mouse, Popeye, Bugs Bunny or team RWBY will be in Smash 5.
Team RWBY will be in, because BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle, and No s*** like Sol Badguy or Ragna the Bloodedge.

 

[Deleted member]

I remember seeing this character mentioned in a top Smash Switch newcomers video once. I thought it was a strange choice at first, but I guess he was more a notable candidate than I realized. I would like to know more about Ossan Golden. This is a character I have yet to actually explore.

https://smashboards.com/threads/super-smash-bros-for-switch-discussion.434391/page-628#post-21962834
https://smashboards.com/threads/super-smash-bros-for-switch-discussion.434391/page-628#post-21962861

One thing to note that I haven't mentioned yet is that Golf was one of the first games Iwata had worked on since joining Nintendo.
And a bit of trivia about the game itself; the courses in Wii Sports' Golf game are taken right from this title.

 

[Starcutter]

Here's a question: Are our "expectations" for Smash altering our desires?

I can guarantee the answer is yes.

I used to want King K Rool a ton, but now that I think Dixie Kong is likelier I've warmed up to that idea tenfold

 

[Superyoshiom]

Something weird I remember about Smash 4 speculation is that Ashley wasn't really that requested, but when she was disconfirmed people were really mad and acted like she was one of the most popular characters ever.

At least that is what I remember lol.

I think she was one of the top ballot choices, at least in Japan, and she's a likely candidate for this game IMO, she was even given a Mii costume.

 

[Danpal65]

I think that a 4th party character will be a fresh but expensive idea, but no Goku or Shrek, i prefer who SpongeBob, Mickey Mouse, Popeye, Bugs Bunny or team RWBY will be in Smash 5.
Team RWBY will be in, because BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle, and No s*** like Sol Badguy or Ragna the Bloodedge.

I'm not really sure that 4th party is an actual thing...

In regards to the characters you have mentioned though, none of them are likely to get into Smash ever for the simple reason that they did not originate from a video game. The only ones of the characters you listed that might be possible are Popeye, mostly because of the historical significance he has for Nintendo, and possibly Mikey Mouse. I say Mickey because I feel that if Sakurai wanted to get Sora in Smash Disney may make Mickey being in as well a requirement for that deal going through.

 

[Superyoshiom]

I'm not really sure that 4th party is an actual thing...

In regards to the characters you have mentioned though, none of them are likely to get into Smash ever for the simple reason that they did not originate from a video game. The only ones of the characters you listed that might be possible are Popeye, mostly because of the historical significance he has for Nintendo, and possibly Mikey Mouse. I say Mickey because I feel that if Sakurai wanted to get Sora in Smash Disney may make Mickey being in as well a requirement for that deal going through.

Getting the mouse would be a freaking nightmare beyond belief.

 

[A Distant Demon]

RWBY in smash would be a god-tier choice TBH. I need Weiss and Yang to beat up Mario

Here's a question: Are our "expectations" for Smash altering our desires?

For example, I "expect" Decidueye to be playable going off past patterns. But while I like the character in Sun and Moon, I'm not really that strongly attached to him. On the other hand, I loved Greninja in X and Y but never expected him in the game.

I feel this might be happening for a few characters like Crash, Rayman, Pyra, and Bandanna Dee (even though I love him). Though I can't speak for everyone, it's something to condsider.

110%

And vice-versa.

"Likely" characters also become popular characters. Popular characters are then deemed as likely.

And then we wind up being wrong about everything and everyone gets mad. It's a vicious cycle

 

[Tree Gelbman]

4th Party is not a thing.

4th Party doesn't even make sense. How is something 4th party? I wish someone could explain the logic behind the word ''4th party".

 

[Danpal65]

Getting the mouse would be a freaking nightmare beyond belief.

Oh it absolutely would be.

The only chance I see of that happening is, as I said, a condition of entry for Sora. Honestly I would be okay with this happening though, especially if we got Sora and a Kingdom Heart 3 for Switch announcement. I don't think Mickey would be completely ridiculous in Smash either and he is pretty much the definition of iconic.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

So what's go--

*reads the thread*


I recall the days when Blue had some out of the liquid box characters. My goodness, I thought they were buried in 2014, but I guess some of them are leaking through the liquid box now

There are no 100% shoe-in's at this point. As much as people want to toss around stats and precedence, no character is guaranteed this time around.

I mean, there's a few people I find likely, but nothing I'd bet the farm on.

What, Splatoon's Inklings weren't a shoo-in? They were pretty obvious right from the start with them being successful

I really wish people would stop thinking like this.

LET'S GO BALLOON FIGHTER, LET'S GO!
LET'S GO BALLOON FIGHTER, LET'S GO!
LET'S GO BALLOON FIGHTER, LET'S GO!
LET'S GO BALLOON FIGHTER, LET'S GO!
LET'S GO BALLOON FIGHTER, LET'S GO!
LET'S GO BALLOON FIGHTER, LET'S GO!

I think that a 4th party character will be a fresh but expensive idea, but no Goku or Shrek, i prefer who SpongeBob, Mickey Mouse, Popeye, Bugs Bunny or team RWBY will be in Smash 5.
Team RWBY will be in, because BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle, and No s*** like Sol Badguy or Ragna the Bloodedge.

For the love of God, NEVER bring up a 4th party character again. That's gonna get too many Jimmies rustling

 

[Hinata]

RWBY in smash would be a god-tier choice TBH. I need Weiss and Yang to beat up Mario

I'd play the **** out of Yang in Smash Bros.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Sora is the closest thing to a case of there being two parties to deal with when it comes to a VG character and he's still not 4th Party.

You simply have a case of him being shared between Square and Disney. I can see them allowing him if it were up to Square, but I simply think the problem with Sora is he's so connected to Donald and Goofy in his games and you couldn't do his character justice without representing his friendship with them.

And Donald and Goofy are the real problem, because you're be negotiating two of the most iconic Disney characters for what would be a small cameo in a move/final smash and I'd wager? The cost? Still massive.

Sora just isn't worth it as popular as he is, because the budget for him alone would probably be huge.