Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Bee Card]

Gonna need source on this one chief, going through the effort from both Toriyama and Square Enix just to get him as a spirit seems very unlikely.

All this time Roy was in fact Crono lol

 

[Pyra]

So spirits deconfirm characters ?
I need your opinions

opinions?
okay

anyone who speaks confidently one way or the other is delusional

 

[Royalty1702]

Looking at the Crono/Roy picture again, it seems fake because Roy's eyes aren't red but I don't know if that's just for WoL. Sorry guys.

 

[osby]

No, it really isn't.

Trophies served no purpose whatsoever other than neat collectables.
Spirits actually affect gameplay.

It makes no sense for say, Bandana Dee to be able to be equipped with a Spirit by the same name and identity.
The italicized is important because while we have cases like K. Rool and Wii Fit Trainer...
King K. Rool can be equipped with a "Kaptain K. Rool" Spirit and Wii Fit Trainer with a "Tree Pose" Spirit that happens to use another Trainer as reference.

We have yet to see any case where a fighter can be equipped by their own Spirit; rather like Daisy shows, they get their OWN special kind of Spirit that can't be equipped.

I guess, but can't they change it via patches?

 

[FalcoXP]

"Loyal". Yes, this is very polite, let's go with that.

LOL.

Remember that english is not my mother tongue, maybe that's why I sound like a gentleman haha.

Speaking of Melee fans, I gave that conclusion because I do know a Melee fanboy, for him Ultimate is just Smash 4 Deluxe, and because of that he hates this new game lol.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

So spirits deconfirm characters ?
I need your opinions

I guess so, I mean...most of the ""fighter"" spirits are alternative versions of themselves and not the actual fighter, and that's the most common excuse "Fighters are also spirits you fricks", except it's not a good excuse as...well, they differentiate from the fighter.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

If spirits don't deconfirm dlc then I hope the first dlc character makes that clear. Need to inject some optimism into all of you.

Unless we're getting exclusively third party dlc D:

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I still don't believe in Spirits de-confirming characters and most likely never will. There's almost 700 to a thousand of them due to varying reports. That's A LOT of all-stars that would be de-confirmed just based on their PNG being in the game alone.

So if Crono were to be real. He'd still very much be in the running to be considered for DLC.

 

[Deleted member]

How will people react if the "Minecraft representation" is Steve being shown as a Spirit? So many souls would be crushed but at the same time increase Halo's chances.

Excuse you.

 

[Will]

I'm not wasting my time with you, so don't bother replying to me again

Someone's got anger issues.

No, it really isn't.

Trophies served no purpose whatsoever other than neat collectables.
Spirits actually affect gameplay.

It makes no sense for say, Bandana Dee to be able to be equipped with a Spirit by the same name and identity.
The italicized is important because while we have cases like K. Rool and Wii Fit Trainer...
King K. Rool can be equipped with a "Kaptain K. Rool" Spirit and Wii Fit Trainer with a "Tree Pose" Spirit that happens to use another Trainer as reference.

We have yet to see any case where a fighter can be equipped by their own Spirit; rather like Daisy shows, they get their OWN special kind of Spirit that can't be equipped.

Time will tell, then.
If Nintendo chose DLC, what would happen in the scenario when they chose someone like Geno? Would Sakurai have to tell them "Sorry fellas, he's a Spirit, it wouldn't make sense."?

Looking at the Crono/Roy picture again, it seems fake because Roy's eyes aren't red. Sorry guys.

That's not how it works?

 

[FalcoXP]

So spirits deconfirm characters ?
I need your opinions

Well, we got a Lucas trophy in Smash 4 in the base game. Months later we got Lucas as DLC.

So, we will see...

 

[Bee Card]

You know, I'm a Bandana Deefender, it's wrote in my signature, but I must make this bad joke :

BANDANA DEECONFIRMED
I'm sorry lol

 

[Nekoo]

Looking at the Crono/Roy picture again, it seems fake because Roy's eyes aren't red. Sorry guys.

Doesn't prove anything, on the Board of Spirit mode the characters doesn't have red eyes, however...

Uh- okay, after taking 5 min to go into my computer and check that Crono picture, I'm sure it's fake, they couldn't even cut the Umbra Stage icon correctly. It's just a mock-up.

 

[Potato_]

I still don't believe in Spirits de-confirming characters and most likely never will. There's almost 700 to a thousand of them due to varying reports. That's A LOT of all-stars that would be de-confirmed just based on their PNG being in the game alone.

So if Crono were to be real. He'd still very much be in the running to be considered for DLC.

I mean there's also the fact that if Spirits were deconfirmations, then it'd be really easy to just look at who isn't in the game and make conclusions from that.

Unless every DLC is third party or brand new.

IDK, it's iffy and I can really see it going both ways. Some confirmation one way or the other would be nice.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

I got a feeling a lot of salt will happen if Spirits really do deconfirm characters

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

How will people react if the "Minecraft representation" is Steve being shown as a Spirit? So many souls would be crushed but at the same time increase Banjo's chances.

id just be happy he isnt a playable character

 

[Pyra]

Looking at the Crono/Roy picture again, it seems fake because Roy's eyes aren't red but I don't know if that's just for WoL. Sorry guys.

coulda fooled me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDN5tH4d8lM

 

[MasterOfKnees]

So spirits deconfirm characters ?
I need your opinions

Personally don't think so, until we see anything that as much as hints at the contrary I'm going to assume they're being treated as no different than trophies in that regard, it's the safest bet at this point.

If they do, then we already know our first party DLC characters: a FE:TH rep, a Gen 8 Pokémon, and maaaaybe Sylux at a stretch, every other actual candidate is dead at this point.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Doesn't prove anything, on the Board of Spirit mode the characters doesn't have red eyes, however...

Uh- okay, after taking 5 min to go into my computer and check that Crono picture, I'm sure it's fake, they couldn't even cut the Umbra Stage icon correctly. It's just a mock-up.

I figured, but the biggest give away was that no one can even provide a source for where it came from.

 

[Deleted member]

I guess, but can't they change it via patches?

You do realize that's the most common question asked when anything seemingly disconfirms something, right? :V

Yes, technically patches can change a Spirit/Assist/whatever for the sake of a new character.
But it's more farfetched than a wild duck carrying a leek.

EDIT: Forgot this emote existed.

 

[Bee Card]

id just be happy he isnt a playable character

We saw you !

 

[Deleted member]

Crash and Sylux are likely now, since they are surviving the Spirit massacre at the moment.

 

[osby]

I got a feeling a lot of salt will happen if Spirits really do deconfirm characters

Look at Smash For DLC. Trophies might as well deconfirm the unique newcomers in there, since were brand new to Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

I can't believe I'm gonna get hurt by the deconfirmation of a PNG

 

[Will]

Crash and Sylux are likely now, since they are surviving the Spirit massacre at the moment.

They're just as likely as they've always been.

 

[Condenir]

I'm really torn about whether spirits deconfirm characters. On one hand, I do believe that they do...as that is their "Nod" and how they are incorporated into the game. And it kind of begs the question of if they thought of this great unique way to mimic how that spirit would fight in the game, why wouldn't they have added them in the first place(Yes i know resources and time but still..)

ON the other hand, there seems to be VERY minimal characters left that could be DLC...truly. It really would be all third party or promotional picks. I also feel like with a patch, they could edit the spirits of the DLC characters out, and put a new one in their place.

Watch it be something like
"We never considered spirits to deconfirm characters...we just so happened to chose 5 characters that we had not made spirits out of as our DLC!"
and everyone is wrong(per usual)

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Crash and Sylux are likely now, since they are surviving the Spirit massacre at the moment.

Don't forget Banjo and Steve.

 

[R O F L]

So spirits deconfirm characters ?
I need your opinions

I'm pretty sure they deconfirm characters for the fighter pass. But if they ever chose to do more DLC, characters being spirits probably doesn't matter.

 

[Untouch]

https://youtu.be/fccgHnBQ0YM?t=679

Found it, look at Isabelle's fighter score.

 

[Deleted member]

Don't forget Banjo and Steve.

True.
This DLC season will be interesting if Spirits actually debunk characters.

 

[DarthEnderX]

So I'm going to presume there are more Square Enix spirits than the 2 we've already seen.

I just need Black Mage and Randi from Secret of Mana.

 

[Opossum]

Meanwhile I'm just over the moon that we got a Code Name: S.T.E.A.M. remix.

Imagine living in a world where Henry Fleming is a DLC character. Japan would be so confused. I'd love it.

 

[FalcoXP]

WC thinking.

Why was Wolf cut?

Snake and Ice Climber is understandable, one being third partie and the other for technical difficulties.

Lucas came back as DLC at least.

But why Wolf was cut ? Makes no sense.

 

[Deleted member]

Wanting something and saying it's a necessity are two different things.

I know. I just think Zelda is overdue for newcomers.

 

[Teeb147]

As far as I remember, there was no actual quote that deconfirmed spirits from being real characters too.

It's possible someone exaggerated a statement.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

True.
This DLC season will be interesting if Spirits actually debunk characters.

If Spirits do indeed deconfirm characters then there goes Bandana Dee as among my DLC predictions. Lloyd hasn't been shown yet so he still has a shot.

 

[Nekoo]

https://youtu.be/fccgHnBQ0YM?t=679

Found it, look at Isabelle's fighter score.

>Chrom Fight was used to make a ROY fight

Eh. Eheheheh. EHEHEHEHEHHE.

 

[osby]

I'm really torn about whether spirits deconfirm characters. On one hand, I do believe that they do...as that is their "Nod" and how they are incorporated into the game. And it kind of begs the question of if they thought of this great unique way to mimic how that spirit would fight in the game, why wouldn't they have added them in the first place(Yes i know resources and time but still..)

ON the other hand, there seems to be VERY minimal characters left that could be DLC...truly. It really would be all third party or promotional picks. I also feel like with a patch, they could edit the spirits of the DLC characters out, and put a new one in their place.

Watch it be something like
"We never considered spirits to deconfirm characters...we just so happened to chose 5 characters that we had not made spirits out of as our DLC!"
and everyone is wrong(per usual)

Not sure if "deconfimation" is a word in Sakurai's dictionary. Considering how he revealed the Assist Trophies, it's possible that they are not too hung up on what speculation community thinks.

 

[Deleted member]

WC thinking.

Why was Wolf cut?

Snake and Ice Climber is understandable, one being third partie and the other for technical difficulties.

Lucas came back as DLC at least.

But why Wolf was cut ? Makes no sense.

You have a point there.
He didn’t need to be scrapped.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Look at Smash For DLC. Trophies might as well deconfirm the unique newcomers in there, since were brand new to Smash.

Funny how you and a lot of people seem to use trophies for these comebacks, when trophies do not and never had effected the actual gameplay, meanwhile spirits absolutely do. Almost as if you can't come up with a logical comeback and would rather use a non significant part of a game to use as a comeback to say Spirits don't deconfirm characters