Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

I apologize if that triggers you, but I have no interest in the games and therefore don't want to play the games

It doesn't trigger me, but alright. Just letting you know, you're missing out on some legendary games.

 

[Kuon]

You don't have to be. They're ever so charming that even if your not the biggest fan of Metal Gear you'll still enjoy then. Some highlights are DeDeDe (Are you sure he's not a penguin?), Kirby (Watch out for what? That pink marshmallow?), and Zero Suit Samus (Colonel! Samus took her clothes off!)

Those do seem pretty comedic. I'll have to look those three up

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

I can believe that they probably are good, but I've never been a fan of Snake and have never had any interest in him nor his games. But that's just me. Sorry if that triggers anyone.

Does this change your mind?

 

[Kuon]

Meh, I could think of more salt inducing picks.

*cough*Senran*cough*

Senran... Senran Kagura? Or another Senran? Senran Kagura is the only Senran I know of.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I apologize if that triggers you, but I have no interest in the games and therefore don't want to play the games

I don't think it's a trigger at all. If you're not interested in the games you're just not interested. No harm done. I do feel like your missing out though. In terms of video games, Metal Gear has more heart than almost any game I've ever played otherwise. They're something truly special. Especially beneath the surface.

 

[Wiziliz]

Okay, what's with everyone suddenly being 100% sure spirits meaning disconfirmation?

It's safer to think this way.

 

[Kuon]

Does this change your mind?

That is pretty adorable

 

[Iridium]

Looks like the far superior Codec conversations may be gone though.

I like the Guidence's but the Codecs were just so much more fun.

This sounds like the kind of thing to get an obligatory "Sakurai bias!" type response. That's just a meme at this point, though.

 

[ClaTheBae]

Does Nintendo not own the rights to the DDR Mario Mix music anymore or something? Why is none of this in smash?????

 

[Deleted member]

Senran... Senran Kagura? Or another Senran? Senran Kagura is the only Senran I know of.

The Senran that triggers a certian person I know here. Oops, fired a shot. Forgot my safety was off.
Yeah. I imagine that would produce alotta salt. Either that, or another Fire Emblem character.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

This probably means nothing but

https://mobile.twitter.com/JumpButtonCB/status/1062554329507422208?s=19

Could it be fuel for crash as one of the 5 tickets?

 

[Deleted member]

If sacrifices must be made to have our boy Snake back so be it

Okay.

But we have new MGS music and actual MGSV: The Phantom Pain representation.

I don't think Codecs would be sacrificed. ...Hopefully.

 

[Kuon]

I don't think it's a trigger at all. If you're not interested in the games you're just not interested. No harm done. I do feel like your missing out though. In terms of video games, Metal Gear has more heart than almost any game I've ever played otherwise. They're something truly special. Especially beneath the surface.

I can understand that. From what I understand though, the series kind of died off after the 4th one

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

This probably means nothing but

https://mobile.twitter.com/JumpButtonCB/status/1062554329507422208?s=19

Could it be fuel for crash as one of the 5 tickets?

Man, Crash would be great...
He'd be the first American guest character, wouldn't he?

 

[ClaTheBae]

I can understand that. From what I understand though, the series kind of died off after the 4th one

It died after the 5th one. With the release of Metal Gear: COD Zombies

 

[Kuon]

The Senran that triggers a certian person I know here. Oops, fired a shot. Forgot my safety was off.
Yeah. I imagine that would produce alotta salt. Either that, or another Fire Emblem character.

Does that mean that my profile picture and signature induce salt since they're from Senran Kagura?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I can understand that. From what I understand though, the series kind of died off after the 4th one

I think you're thinking of the 5th one. The 4th one, Guns of the Patriots, was ludicrous and kicked off Metal Gear Rising, Peace Walker, and Metal Gear Solid V. After V though, yeah, Kojima is gone and the franchise is basically dead. Like all of Konami's franchises.

 

[Deleted member]

So, if I got this right, the expected DLC so far is supposed to be a Nintendo sword character, a Square Enix character, a Namco character, and a Wester 3rd Party character?

Does that mean that my profile picture and signature induce salt since they're from Senran Kagura?

Maybe. Probably. Almost certian.

 

[Kuon]

I think you're thinking of the 5th one. The 4th one, Guns of the Patriots, was ludicrous and kicked off Metal Gear Rising, Peace Walker, and Metal Gear Solid V. After V though, yeah, Kojima is gone and the franchise is basically dead. Like all of Konami's franchises.

Yeah, it's the fifth one I was thinking of. People say it got bad once they released the survive game

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Okay.

But we have new MGS music and actual MGSV: The Phantom Pain representation.

I don't think Codecs would be sacrificed. ...Hopefully.

Didn't David Hayter say he wasn't asked to record new lines for Ultimate? I can't really see codecs coming back unless they made new ones for all characters.

 

[SmashChu]

You don't have to be. They're ever so charming that even if your not the biggest fan of Metal Gear you'll still enjoy then. Some highlights are DeDeDe (Are you sure he's not a penguin?), Kirby (Watch out for what? That pink marshmallow?), and Zero Suit Samus (Colonel! Samus took her clothes off!)

I'll add that one of the things they really did is they played on Snake being a fish out of water. He was the first guest in this Nintendo fighting game so everything was foreign to him. They also played off of the characters traits. Campbell would gives these grandious descriptions of the characters that would make them seem stronger than they are and Snake was great in his response to them (He flies by.....farting).

The Kid Icarus ones were always hoaky. The conversations in Smash never really capture the magic of Uprising.

 

[Luigi The President]

Okay.

But we have new MGS music and actual MGSV: The Phantom Pain representation.

I don't think Codecs would be sacrificed. ...Hopefully.

Naw they gone brother

 

[ClaTheBae]

I think you're thinking of the 5th one. The 4th one, Guns of the Patriots, was ludicrous and kicked off Metal Gear Rising, Peace Walker, and Metal Gear Solid V. After V though, yeah, Kojima is gone and the franchise is basically dead. Like all of Konami's franchises.

Really wish Kojima had a part in developing smash. I feel like he'd do cool things.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Okay.

But we have new MGS music and actual MGSV: The Phantom Pain representation.

I don't think Codecs would be sacrificed. ...Hopefully.

They seem to have been sacrificed...would be lots of recording

 

[Ring-a-Sheep]

Didn't David Hayter say he wasn't asked to record new lines for Ultimate? I can't really see codecs coming back unless they made new ones for all characters.

The japanese VA for the Colonel also died a few years back which may have a part in why Codecs aren't returning. Then again i could be an absolute fool and be wrong.

 

[Kuon]

Maybe. Probably. Almost certian.

Good. Rain down with the salt

 

[PsySmasher]

So, if I got this right, the expected DLC so far is supposed to be a Nintendo sword character, a Square Enix character, a Namco character, and a Wester 3rd Party character?

If we're going by Verge/Hitagi, then the 4 you mentioned + Steve.

 

[Calane]

Thank you friend I actually had not found DQ music that wowed me, most of my opinion had been on the DQ11 music. As that music was very underwhelming for me. I will admit my opinion comes from inexperience with the series, but from the few I had heard I did not like. That being said thank you for showing me these amazing music tracks, it does help in seeing if I would be excited for DQ music in Smash. The Ocean one is very beautiful and the rest are also very interesting. They sound very Disney music like in their sound, in that it has that sound of fantasy behind it. I still prefer Yoko Shimomura's music, but I wouldn't mind seeing how these tracks would be implemented in Smash Ultimate. If there was music from DQ heroes due to possible problems, what music tracks do you think they will use?

Ah thats good to know that Sugiyama would not be a problem in getting the DQ music in Smash Ultimate. That being said the major roadblock now is Square, as they seem to not be willing to cooperate in allowing more music in Smash. Thank you for helping me understand the DQ music situation more, much appreciated. I can now more clearly compare chances between Sora and a DQ rep getting taking the Square spot.

Yeah, I hear that DQ11's music isn't on par with the rest of the series, but I haven't played it myself yet. It's unfortunate that you got a bad impression of the series' music, but I'm glad I could help.

As for your question, did you mean "DQ Swords" when you said "DQ Heroes"? Swords is the one Sugiyama didn't compose for, so I'm just going to assume you're talking about that. What tracks do I think they'd use from it? I guess if they were going to Final Fantasy it and get only two tracks, it'd probably just be the regular battle and boss themes from the game. They sound like this:

Go For Broke!

Don't Let Your Guard Down

I personally don't think that'd happen, though. If DQ were to get in Smash, I'd expect to hear the Overture and most of the series' battle themes to go along with it. Due to the fact they'd most likely be the MIDI versions, they'd probably sound like how they do in Dragon Quest Heroes. I'll post those versions of the themes below:

Spoiler: Various DQ Battle Themes

A Monster Draws Near (DQ1 Battle Theme)

Deathfight (DQ2 Battle Theme)

Fighting Spirit (DQ3 Battle Theme)

Battle for the Glory (DQ4 Battle Theme)

Violent Enemies (DQ5 Battle Theme)

Courageous Fight (DQ6 Battle Theme)

Fighting Spirit (DQ7 Battle Theme)

War Cry (DQ8 Battle Theme)

Are You a Loser (DQ9 Battle Theme)

These versions also seem to be the ones used in "Theatrhythm Dragon Quest", so I'm pretty sure they'd be the ones used in Smash. To sum up, if DQ got in Smash, I'd mostly just expect to hear the main theme and most of the battle themes. That's what I think is most likely.

Most of these songs sound a lot cooler in the orchestral versions, like DQ3's Fighting Spirit for example. You can probably find those yourself if you're interested in what the orchestral versions sound like. I doubt we'd be getting those in Smash, though. But I could be wrong, who knows.

Edit: Just in case someone misinterprets what I said at the end, I am not saying that we'd get the orchestral versions in Smash. That is unlikely to happen unless Sugiyama has a sudden change of heart regarding the orchestral tracks (which is why I said "But I could be wrong, who knows"). Since he doesn't seem to mind the usage of the MIDI versions, those are most likely what we would get should DQ be included in Smash. Just thought I'd clear that up if there was any confusion.

 

[Deleted member]

Naw they gone brother

When the game comes out/find out, we'll come back to this post and there'll be two outcomes.

One, SWEET BLISS, or two, words from Kaz.

 

[Kuon]

Yeah, I hear that DQ11's music isn't on par with the rest of the series, but I haven't played it myself yet.

I played DQ11 and I don't like the music. It gets very repetitive. I just ended up muting my tv while playing the game and listening to my own music or watching YouTube videos

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Most of these songs sound a lot cooler in the orchestral versions, like DQ3's Fighting Spirit for example. You can probably find those yourself if you're interested in what the orchestral versions sound like. I doubt we'd be getting those in Smash, though. But I could be wrong, who knows.

The problem with the orchestral versions is that Sugiyama has never allowed them to be officially released outside of Japan. All the Japanese versions of the games use the orchestral songs in their soundtracks, but the English-language versions are always forced to use MIDI synthesized ****.

 

[Deleted member]

Good. Rain down with the salt

Then it's settled.
Also, fair warining, hope you like going toe-to-toe with a mod,

If we're going by Verge/Hitagi, then the 4 you mentioned + Steve.

Hmm. Interesting.

Naw they gone brother

RIP Codecs. They will be loved and remembered.

 

[ClaTheBae]

Really upset that the Sonic song that sampled a Malcolm X speech didn't make it into Smash

 

[Kuon]

Then it's settled.
Also, fair warining, hope you like going toe-to-toe with a mod,

Why would I be going toe-to-toe with a mod?

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

The japanese VA for the Colonel also died a few years back which may have a part in why Codecs aren't returning. Then again i could be an absolute fool and be wrong.

No, I believe you're correct about the Colonel's Japanese VA unfortunately, which could very well have played a part in the exclusion as well.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

The japanese VA for the Colonel also died a few years back which may have a part in why Codecs aren't returning. Then again i could be an absolute fool and be wrong.

You ain’t making a fool of yourself

Really upset that the Sonic song that sampled a Malcolm X speech didn't make it into Smash

What new Sonic songs are in Ultimate (besides Fist Bump)

 

[Deleted member]

Why would I be going toe-to-toe with a mod?

I once made the mistake of joking about Senran in Smash around them. Let's just say they're buttons are easier to press than my movie theater's claw machine.
But, anyways...

The japanese VA for the Colonel also died a few years back which may have a part in why Codecs aren't returning. Then again i could be an absolute fool and be wrong.

Nah, you're not wrong.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

What new Sonic songs are in Ultimate (besides Fist Bump)

Studiopolis Zone was confirmed.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Studiopolis Zone was confirmed.

****ing when and where?

 

[Kuon]

I once made the mistake of joking about Senran in Smash around them. Let's just say they're buttons are easier to press than my movie theater's claw machine.
But, anyways...

But all I said about Senran Kagura is that my profile picture and signature are from the series, nothing about it being in Smash