Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Kuon]

Honestly, I hope someone buys Castlevania from Konami. Preferably Bandai Namco if I had to choose.

You ever see a mad Priest try to excisie a demon that doesn't exist?

No, I haven't. I guess that's what you're getting at, huh?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Speaking of Sonic Games, has anyone here actually played Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood? I remember getting the game along with the exclusive stylus (Which are just rubber sonic characters at the top of them), and knowing that the game is one of the worst ones I've have ever played.

Haven't played it, but heard that the music was abysmal (Which is unusual for a Sonic game)

 

[Icedragonadam]

Woah, DLC was chosen recently? Are you sure? I could've swore Sakurai said in the direct that DLC was chosen back when development for the game began. Can someone please clarify this with proof?

i personally believe that statement about the DLC being finalised some time after the direct was actually about the rights of the Guest characters of DLC being officially given the A-OK.

 

[Deleted member]

No, I haven't. I guess that's what you're getting at, huh?

Pretty much, yeah.

So is there any news now or...?

Nah, mate. We're just going in circles.

 

[Kuon]

I'm guessing they had a general list with a few characters in the pipe with Nintendo finalizing the final choices a bit before Nov. 6.

Goodness, and this whole time I thought DLC was decided back in 2015. I thought that was the reason Rex couldn't be added as DLC

 

[KingofKoopas]

Speaking of Sonic Games, has anyone here actually played Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood? I remember getting the game along with the exclusive stylus (Which are just rubber sonic characters at the top of them), and knowing that the game is one of the worst ones I've have ever played.

Yes and anyone whos shocked that Bioware sucks now has never played Chronicles to know they had it in them to suck all along.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Wh...What now?

C A N O N

Besides, Blaze is sensual. lol @kirishimaeijiro

— HIDEKI NAGANUMA｜CEO OF FUNKY FRESH BEATS (@Hideki_Naganuma) July 12, 2015

Speaking of Sonic Games, has anyone here actually played Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood? I remember getting the game along with the exclusive stylus (Which are just rubber sonic characters at the top of them), and knowing that the game is one of the worst ones I've have ever played.

Literally my least fav sonic game next to CD and Forces

 

[KingofKoopas]

Pretty much, yeah.

Nah, mate. We're just going in circles.

Well at least someone is honest about it

 

[KMDP]

Agh, why'd you have to remind me of that ****ing Pachinko machine man...

Because we must never forget.

 

[Kuon]

i personally believe that statement about the DLC being finalised some time after the direct was actually about the rights of the Guest characters of DLC being officially given the A-OK.

So you think the Nintendo dlc characters were decided back in 2015 or 2016 and the third party characters were just now chosen?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I feel like people misunderstood the Rex costume as him saying DLC was picked at the same time as the base roster.

That would certainly not be the case.

Negotations and talks about the characters certainly were held before that tweet went out, but it wasn't all the way way back in December of 2015 that they decided the DLC.

 

[Deleted member]

C A N O N

Besides, Blaze is sensual. lol @kirishimaeijiro

— HIDEKI NAGANUMA｜CEO OF FUNKY FRESH BEATS (@Hideki_Naganuma) July 12, 2015

Good lord, it's almost like Sonic is self aware of how lewd the fan following can be lol.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Literally my least fav sonic game next to CD and Forces

You don't like CD? That's among my favorites

Because we must never forget.

But Konami wants you to forget... That's the real reason that they have so much content in Ultimate

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Because we must never forget.

"Why are we still here... just to suffer?"

 

[KingofKoopas]

So you think the Nintendo dlc characters were decided back in 2015 or 2016 and the third party characters were just now chosen?

If they got a release plan for them already on the market odds are good that they were pre chosen around 2015-16. maybe even 2017 but thats at the latest. Smash 4 didn't have a pass because the DLC was released as it just happened.

 

[Kuon]

I feel like people misunderstood the Rex costume as him saying DLC was picked at the same time as the base roster.

That would certainly not be the case.

Negotations and talks about the characters certainly were held before that tweet went out, but it wasn't all the way way back in December of 2015 that they decided the DLC.

Then does this mean DLC was decided on much more recently? I've been hearing so many different things, I don't know what to believe

 

[Icedragonadam]

So you think the Nintendo dlc characters were decided back in 2015 or 2016 and the third party characters were just now chosen?

Obviously not all 3rd party characters had the rights negoiated at the same time. Some were probably given the ok during the development(the 1st DLC character and 2nd one, maybe 3rd) while say at least one DLC guest was just given the OK during that time(the 5th character and maybe 4th).

 

[FixedFun]

Now that we have enough information, I can confirm "Nintendo" (as in "Nintendo will choose the DLC characters for Smash") means "Nintendo of Japan"
Look at the company in general from a Japanese perspective, they are deciding the DLC.

I'll try to analyze what this means for Geno, Waluigi or Sora (to name some fan favorites)

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Speaking of music, are there any new Mother songs yet?

Please just give me at least one new remix, I'm dying over here...

 

[Kuon]

If they got a release plan for them already on the market odds are good that they were pre chosen around 2015-16. maybe even 2017 but thats at the latest. Smash 4 didn't have a pass because the DLC was released as it just happened.

Well that goes against what The Duke of Dorks was saying. He was saying that it was decided much more recently

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Then does this mean DLC was decided on much more recently? I've been hearing so many different things, I don't know what to believe

It takes times to hold negotiations and write a plan down, but it certainly wouldn't have just been ''Okay. We got it down" in November of 2018 and then they start work immediately after.

That plan would certainly not date back to 2015 though. That's just silly.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh? So he has multiple move sets in that game?

Late response, but no. Wright was overhauled at one point, and his playstyle completely changed. Most of his animations are shared between both iterations, it's just what the attacks did, and what optimal Wright tried to do that chaged.

 

[Kingslime304]

Haven't played it, but heard that the music was abysmal (Which is unusual for a Sonic game)

The music is like a mix between a midi, and low-quality music that you hear in some 8-bit game. The sound effects are either annoying, squeaky, or just plain abysmal. The combat system is okay (Scratch that, it's ****ing exhausting and boring), but I really ****ing hate how some parts you have to do the trailing with your stylus (Tails/Cream's skills are the biggest offenders because rather of doing amount of heals based on how good you did it, it instead fails altogether if you missed just once). It just doesn't feel polished and the graphics are rushed since everything in this game is literally made in artpieces, and only the character models are 3d. Not to mention those ****ing enemys than can revive themselves if you don't take out all of them in one swing.

 

[Luigi The President]

Now that we have enough information, I can confirm "Nintendo" (as in "Nintendo will choose the DLC characters for Smash") means "Nintendo of Japan"
Look at the company in general from a Japanese perspective, they are deciding the DLC.

I'll try to analyze what this means for Geno, Waluigi or Sora (to name some fan favorites)

I mean...you can't really confirm a thing. I don't mean to be rude at all.
You're probably right, but confirmed is a big word we should have learned not to use.

 

[KMDP]

"Why are we still here... just to suffer?"

Snake: "Yes."
Kaz: "Dammit Boss, just let me soliloquize."

 

[Kuon]

It takes times to hold negotiations and write a plan down, but it certainly wouldn't have just been ''Okay. We got it down" in November of 2018 and then they start work immediately after.

That plan would certainly not date back to 2015 though. That's just silly.

I'm just trying to understand whether FE Three Houses or Pokémon Gen 8 are likely, especially since Rex couldn't make it in

 

[KingofKoopas]

Well that goes against what The Duke of Dorks was saying. He was saying that it was decided much more recently

Just saying, this is how it goes with games like these. Tekken, Injustice, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter and others all had their Season Passes planned long in advanced. IDK who this Duke of Dorks is but I imagine they don't really get the business end of these things.

 

[PsySmasher]

Well that goes against what The Duke of Dorks was saying. He was saying that it was decided much more recently

If that's the case, why did Sakurai say that they couldn't add characters from titles like Xenoblade Chronicles 2 into the roster?

 

[FixedFun]

I mean...you can't really confirm a thing. I don't mean to be rude at all.
You're probably right, but confirmed is a big word we should have learned not to use.

Unless Sakurai and Nintendo of America are lying, he literally (Sakurai) mentioned how he had to remind Nintendo (of Japan) that King K. Rool was popular.

 

[Kuon]

Obviously not all 3rd party characters had the rights negoiated at the same time. Some were probably given the ok during the development(the 1st DLC character and 2nd one, maybe 3rd) while say at least one DLC guest was just given the OK during that time(the 5th character and maybe 4th).

And what about Nintendo characters?

 

[Luigi The President]

Unless Sakurai and Nintendo of America are lying, he literally (Sakurai) mentioned how he had to remind Nintendo (of Japan) that King K. Rool was popular.

I don't know where this of Japan is coming from?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I'm just trying to understand whether FE Three Houses or Pokémon Gen 8 are likely, especially since Rex couldn't make it in

I doubt it, but I also wouldn't completely rule it out. It's obvious certain recent characters are being given ''Here take this for now." like Rex and Spring Man, but I don't think it necessarily means new content is completely ruled out as DLC possibilities.

I just also wouldn't put TOO much faith into it either.

 

[Kuon]

If that's the case, why did Sakurai say that they couldn't add characters from titles like Xenoblade Chronicles 2 into the roster?

That's what I want to know. This is so confusing. I thought Rex couldn't make it in because he was too new

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Then watch it on YouTube.

Took 3 tries and it worked...& Knuckles

 

[Pyra]

I don't know where this of Japan is coming from?

Well, Bill Wurtz did a pretty entertaining video all about where Japan came from and what they've done.

 

[FixedFun]

I don't know where this of Japan is coming from?

I can't remember the source but someone here told me that. With the interview and everything.

 

[Kuon]

Just saying, this is how it goes with games like these. Tekken, Injustice, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter and others all had their Season Passes planned long in advanced. IDK who this Duke of Dorks is but I imagine they don't really get the business end of these things.

His info was based off of a tweet from Sakurai that said that the dlc lineup was now complete, and this tweet was from a couple of weeks ago

 

[Icedragonadam]

And what about Nintendo characters?

I really don't think there'll be any outside of possible non-season pass Echo DLC.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

You also have to remember that even by some REALLY off chance DLC was chosen all the way back in 2015. Nintendo would know more about the future of Nintendo than anyone and thus would potentially be able to rule over which new content to include and what not to include.

I still don't think 2015-2016 is the right time frame for them to have started the discussions of DLC though. Sakurai was most likely still heavily into work on veterans and the baseline newcomers at the time.

 

[Luigi The President]

I can't remember the source but someone here told me that. With the interview and everything.

I'd like a source, but I understand.