Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[KarneraMythos]

Honestly, I felt like I should've been on here sooner...

Haha, same. My join date suggests I should have been posting a while back too!

 

[Tree Gelbman]

YO MY GIRL TRON BONNE IS A SPIRIT.

I DON'T CARE.

I GET TO SEE HER PICTURE IN A NEW GAME AND CRY ABOUT THE LACK OF MEGAMAN LEGENDS 3 ALL OVER AGAIN.

WHAT A BEAUTIFUL DAY.

 

[Deleted member]

Kratos should kill Palutena, tbh.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I know some people are disappointed in the amount of cutscenes for World of Light, but pretty much everything it does seems to blow Subspace out of the water.

Like, both in a narrative and gameplay sense.

 

[Shroob]

I know some people are disappointed in the amount of cutscenes for World of Light, but pretty much everything it does seems to blow Subspace out of the water.

Like, both in a narrative and gameplay sense.

Wait, it's confirmed to just be the 1 cutscene?

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

So, while we're all overthinking things, here's some completely circumstantial "evidence" towards a certain character maybe being DLC.

Celica herself has not been spotted as a spirit yet. The closest thing we have is a joint spirit of the child versions of her and Alm.
While three Shadows of Valentia/Gaiden songs were spotted, one was the final boss theme (a song fitting for both Alm and Celica) and the other two, March to Deliverance and Lord of a Dead Empire, are songs specific to Alm's route.
Furthermore, With Mila's Divine Protection has been in Smash since Brawl, and is Celica's map theme...but it hasn't been confirmed to be in the game yet. Celica has yet to have any of HER songs be confirmed.
Add onto this that Three Houses was potentially too new for DLC, and that Celica has proven to be extremely popular as a Fire Emblem character, and that Nintendo/IS has pushed for her to be included in things in the past (Warriors), AND that Sakurai would have had the original Gaiden to go off of as well...

I'm not saying anything definitive, but it's definitely something worth a mention. Could it end up like Waddle Dee and Elma's weird absences before today and ultimately mean nothing? Yeah, it could. But hey, it's something to speculate about.

I wouldn't be surprised if adult Alm and Celica end the up being the enhanced form of child Alm and Celica.

 

[NineS]

Kratos should kill Palutena, tbh.

but why would you want him to kill
she's honestly one of the nicest people on the roster
and the most motherly. I mean, she sacrificed herself in an attempt to save Pit and Dark Pit in world of light

if you're going to have kratos kill a god and keep them dead, have him try one of these two:
Then he's got my attention.

i kind of feel like Pit would end up rivalling what Kratos has done in terms of power. I mean, Pit kills gods in a sense for Palutena.... But they end up coming back to life at some point anyway.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Anyone know what Isabelle's spirit is?

Uhm.. I think Isabelle's spirit is... Isabelle

 

[MainJPW]

Goku got in Smash Bros...

Epic.

I’m not even kidding right now, I was on the Goku support thread so I’m really hyped by the fact that we got a Yūyūki spirit. I didn’t expect that. I like my retro picks.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Wait, it's confirmed to just be the 1 cutscene?

Nope. But its less than Subspace which made people sad.

Even though Subspace had a gigantic amount of fluff and cutscenes that did **** all.

 

[Shroob]

Nope. But its less than Subspace which made people sad.

Even though Subspace had a gigantic amount of fluff and cutscenes that did **** all.

Good enough for me.

 

[GoeGoe]

I don't think they will release all the DLC at once :/, its more likely they will follow how they did it for Smash Wii U which is one at a time. I think they will do this so they will keep the hype alive all the way until 2020. It will be, but people will buy the fighters pass if they open the DLC with a highly popular character. If people love the first DLC character that will draw interest in the other four, so a lot rides on that first DLC to be great. Especially because the last characters revealed in the base were not all well received and it ended on a lackluster note. So in my opinion I think the first DLC will be a really popular character to draw hype for the rest of the DLC.

I do think they will push Fire Emblem Three Houses as it most likely will be released around the same time as some of these DLC releases. From a marketing standpoint it would make sense that Nintendo would want to push FE Three Houses since this will be this first FE since path of radiance. To be on a home console. A lot of people know FE character because of Smash, but may have never played the actual FE games. This could be a good marketing tactic to draw interest in their new FE Three Houses game.

Haha probably I love music, I might be more excited to see what characters will bring in terms of music than the actual character. Yeah I know I could do that, but I love it when new composers get their hands on other composers music. I like to see if it wows me or its not nearly as good as the original. Good example of this is Apocalypis Noctis in FF15, then Dissidia NT, then Tekken 7. The best one was FF15 version with Yoko as the composer, the mid was Tekken 7's rendition of it. The worst one was Dissidia NT's version of Apocalypsis Noctis. This is what I would like to see in Smash Bros, how would they handle music pieces from Elder Scrolls, DQ, KH, etc.

Well what hurts the music scene in terms of Square is two things Sugiyama if its a DQ character. And in the recent game footage Midgar still only has two songs. Which is super disappointing, unless we can unlock more down the road (doubtful). Plus not a single FF spirit as of yet, does not bode well that Square is again being very stingy with their things. If we throw in Square's on stinginess plus Sugiyama's we will maybe get one or two songs tops. This is why I hope its KH or Geno because with Yoko already on board in Smash Ultimate maybe we will at least get more music than 2 tracks. In terms of the other more generous companies like Bandai Namco and Ubisoft/Microsoft/Bethesda I could see us potentially getting maybe 5-6 music tracks. We will have to see, especially because Elder Scrolls music pieces tend to be really long.

If you like that one I will link you one that I think you'll really like. That music reminds me of Studio Ghibli music XD, which I am down for. I agree that definitely surpasses DQ, its not even a competition this music is just way better. The music definitely has a calming nature about it, but still keeps you focused on its melody.

Last thing if Spawn Wave proves true and Vergeben proves true, then we might see the first Smash DLC character at the game awards. Which will be a Square Enix rep, so I guess if both of these facts are true we don't have long to see which character takes the Square slot.

Here's the track I think you will love so much excitement for the next Avengers movie! (Its a mashup of Avengers & Guardians theme)

Heres what I mean by different composers same song. I would like to see more of this in Smash Ultimate. Especially if Jeremy Soule, Martin O'donnel or Yoko Shimomura are involved in the renditions.

Not release, just info. Info of who the 5 are (stages and what not). In Smash WiiU things weren't decided as of this Smash, at least not to public. As I said, in Mario Kart 8 DLCs were stated way before release, they were good enough to warrant an early purchase. If Nintendo's so sure of its selections then why not show them. Who's going to buy a random box? Sure some will, but also some won't. I get what you're saying about keeping the hype going, they did that with many of their games, Splatoon2, Odyssey, Kirby.. etc. BUT, none of those had their DLCs announced before release. Nintendo shouldn't expect players to pay blindly just because it's the "Nintendo Choice".

I have to disagree here. I don't think there's the slightest need to push any FE sales through Smash. The message got clear to a point of annoyance, pushing through this more is pushing their luck, it really serves more bad than good. As Smash players are now well aware of Fire Emblem and vise versa. Fire Emblem has now become a stand alone IP that needs no further introduction. Boy I still think it was a messy mistake to add all those charcaters. This would be another reason for me to not consider Fighter's Pass.

Yeah, who wouldn't like his favorite music to be remixed officially by pros. As I'm a Mega Man fans too, I really am looking forward to the new remixes. There's one they did good (Guts Man) and another wasn't (forgot the RM).

There's no way a DLC will sell for one piece of music. I don't think Sugiyama is that stingy. I don't care much for spirits to be that concern of having them in Smash, luckily though, Capcom is such an open publisher they went full open on Mega Man stuff XD Hey, come to think of it, neither SF spirits were shown. So maybe just wait n see, FF spirits might show up.

Well no comparsion cause Joe is a film, anime and game composer (100 films). So definitely no comparsion there.

Thanks for the track. Well that was short XD Liked the artpiece. I know of the Avenger's music, so I know of this one. Though I have to say, Epic is just not for me (NNK is not the type of Epic I'm talking about). Would be my last choice, unless I'm playing a Fire Emblem character.
Epic seems the music that ignites your fight passion, the go and fight in Smash music. Mostly found in Fire Emblem stages (I get why you want a 3 house rep). But that's not what I'd go for. To Smash I'd prefer something like Corneria/Star Fox (Brawl remix). I don't mind the variety of course, It's something I really appreciate about Smash. I guess you and I are both in luck.. 28hrs. of music luck.

Out of the 3, Tekken was the best, just because of that beautiful guitar play (didn't like the BG noise tbh).

 

[Paperchampion23]

Wait, it's confirmed to just be the 1 cutscene?

It hasn't but the odd lack of any form of Cutscene aside from the first and one with evil Mario does seem to point at a low number of them. The fact that you can complete this mode in many different ways (it looks like there a stupid amount of paths to take; unlocking characters can happen in any order it seems, save for Mario) means that Cutscene can't really be story-heavy unless only after milestones.

I'm not sure, but I'm gonna say not a whole lot.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Nope. But its less than Subspace which made people sad.

Even though Subspace had a gigantic amount of fluff and cutscenes that did **** all.

Gimme about...5 cutscenes, and I'm happy.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I know some people are disappointed in the amount of cutscenes for World of Light, but pretty much everything it does seems to blow Subspace out of the water.

Like, both in a narrative and gameplay sense.

I've yet to see any actual additional cutscenes for WoL are there some out there in the wild that I've missed?

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I've yet to see any actual additional cutscenes for WoL are there some out there in the wild that I've missed?

I'm curious about this too.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

When it comes to cutscenes, we should be looking more for quality than quantity.

Subspace was cool at the time because it was a huge project at the time. However, the story was poorly told and seemed to contribute more of “oh cool, they nodded at each other and started running”.

This has potential to be much cooler. Let’s hope it is.

 

[Deleted member]

Just caught up.
Is it bad that I am way more excited for classic mode than WoL based on the footage?

 

[staindgrey]

Nope. But its less than Subspace which made people sad.

Even though Subspace had a gigantic amount of fluff and cutscenes that did **** all.

Those cutscenes were awesome, don't lie.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Anyone know what Isabelle's spirit is?

It seems like the fighters can be puppets for any number of spirits during the story mode, until they’re rescued in their own standard battles on FD. For example, there’s a battle where Eevee possesses three Yoshis, and one where some angels from Bayonetta possess multiple Pits. So I don’t think it’s 1-to-1.

 

[StormC]

Nope. But its less than Subspace which made people sad.

Even though Subspace had a gigantic amount of fluff and cutscenes that did **** all.

Was anyone actually expecting 40+ minutes of cutscenes with a cast of 70+ though? In HD? That would be legitimately insane.

I always expected an intro and ending cutscene and nothing else. If we get more I consider that a bonus.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

It seems like the fighters can be puppets for any number of spirits during the story mode, until they’re rescued in their own standard battles on FD. For example, there’s a battle where Eevee possesses three Yoshis, and one where some angels from Bayonetta possess multiple Pits. So I don’t think it’s 1-to-1.

Isabelle's multiple spirits then xD

 

[staindgrey]

Oh god.

The Daisy guidance.

''Pit if you had a symbol. It'd be in the shape of an armpit."

Is this on video somewhere?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I wonder if WoL is the fast way to do unlocks at all? It seems it limits the way you unlock people by forcing you to carefully choose what path but you can't go back.

Hmm.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Is this on video somewhere?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKRPf5MBFmM

 

[Paperchampion23]

Listen i doubt there will be many significant cutscenes at all.

Why?

Because you can unlock fighters in many different orders in this mode. You can't have too manh cutscenes for a certain number of fighters you unlock. I'm sure there are "milestone" cutscenes (scenes that take place after certain areas relating to Galeem or a boss) but i dont think there will be much more other than lore.

They also never advertised any cutscenes unlike Brawl, meaning of they aren't willing to publicise it, it's not a selling point.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Three things always did confuse me about WoL...
Why are these spirits possessing fighters, and why are they evil? Even then, why do they join you?

 

[staindgrey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKRPf5MBFmM

HA.

HahahahahahahahHAHAHAHA.

 

[Deleted member]

Spoiler: Small reminder of a fact...

 

[Kingslime304]

Chrom: Whew, I'm finally in Smash Bros.... Oh there you ar-
Lucina: Father?! Is that you?! Oh thank gods your here!
Chrom: Umm, Lucina what are you going crazy abou-

Lucina: THERES A GUY THAT'S DISGUSED AS YOU AND IS IMPERSONATING YOU TO ME EVER SINCE THAT DAMN COSTUME WENT ON SALE A FEW YEARS AGO!! HE'S DRIVING ME NUTS TO NO END!!

Chrom: I'm sorry but, I'm sure your probably overexaggerating this a little bit too much, maybe he's just trying to have fun especially after a few years of being with yo-
"Chrum": Ahhh, their yu are Lasoona, you don't have to run off your father like that. You should be baek to your room as punishment.

Chrom: Lucina..... Get the killing edge... NOW!

 

[RyuhoFox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKRPf5MBFmM

Wait weren't there people arguing on here that the guidences were gone not too long ago?

 

[Deleted member]

When you fight someone to recruit them in WoL, are they imbued with a spirit in that battle?

 

[Iridium]

The Spring Man costume is cool. I really missed a lot of stuff today.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I know some people are disappointed in the amount of cutscenes for World of Light, but pretty much everything it does seems to blow Subspace out of the water.

Like, both in a narrative and gameplay sense.

how many cutscense are in it?

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Wait weren't there people arguing on here that the guidences were gone not too long ago?

Not that I recall.

 

[Luigi The President]

Did we discuss this

 

[Deleted member]

how many cutscense are in it?

An ambiguously small number.

 

[Shroob]

Wait weren't there people arguing on here that the guidences were gone not too long ago?

People thought they'd be since David Hayter confirmed that CODECs weren't coming back, so everyone got sad and thought the worst.


I REALLY hope they don't skimp out on the DLC Guidances this time though.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Did we discuss this

wasnt that said and talkex about a while ago? I think it was and its nothing but a "we hear you" and nothin more

 

[Deleted member]

Spoiler: I found a new Spirit, so i hope the picture loads now

It didn’t load yet.