Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Scoliosis Jones]

Something to keep in mind for Zelda discussion. If we do get a revamped Link and Zelda, we might as well consider them newcomers at this point, or at least the equivalent. Better yet, i’ll be kind. Let’s say the work of 1.5 newcomers based on the fact that Link may only change a few moves and not much else.

If we get an additional character, we’re getting 3 newcomers from the same franchise. I’m not too sure how likely that looks. I may be wrong, but that’s how I’m looking at it.

In general, I simply don’t know that Mario at the very least needs another character for the roster. Balance in the roster is something that Sakurai considers, which is why Corrin was questionable when added in DLC. While Yoshi, Wario, and Donkey Kong obviously have their own series, they’re all related to one another outside of Smash.

Anyway, what I will say is that Pauline could get the Rosalina treatment. I just don’t know if it’s the same situation, as Pauline hasn’t had the same exposure as Rosalina (spin-offs) did at the time. I would say she’s in the running, but again i’m not sure that Mario will get somebody playable this time.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Don't forget the random on-fire Chibi-Robo that Nintendo posted on their Twitter out of nowhere, and for no real reason, during the lead-up to I think it was the mini-Direct, when everybody was losing their minds waiting for it to be official announced. There wasn't really a reason to create a brand new Chibi-Robo render or use it to troll the waiting fans, and the fire imagery + the fact that fire was a big thing with the reveal trailer could be more than a cooincidence.

I thought about mentioning that, but I don't completely believe they were related. That being said, it's not like Nintendo to randomly tweet something like that. But I won't put any stock in that til we see for sure.

I could see it happening. I played a demo of his game a long time ago, so I'm not too attached to the character or anything like that. But I have seen in one of the fan games, he's got some neat tricks.

I think to really get to know the character, the first game on GCN was far and away the best. Park Patrol on the DS was also an excellent game in its own regard. Photo Finder and Zip Lash were not so good though, and neither even played closely to the original Chibi Robo formula, which is why they were terrible entries for the series. Chibi Robo in SSF2 is incredibly fun, and I think a great idea for how the character could work in Smash Switch.

 

[New_Dumal]

My solution to the Zelda roster would be make Link/Zelda/Ganondorf/Impa/Sheik based on breath of the wild since it’s the newest biggest Zelda game. I would be willing to replace Sheik with impa but as others have said she’s become a staple so I would give Impa her own moveset. I would also have two other characters called Classic Link and Classic Ganon that would represent the pre-ocarina era of Zelda and handheld titles. Classic Link would be a mix of regular smash Link and Toon Link and represent that moveset while Link gets a breath of the wild overhaul. Classic Ganon would be the blue pig version and use a trident and magic.

This is the image I like to show to represent my idea.

So the roster would be
Link/Zelda/Ganondorf/Sheik/Impa/Classic Link/Classic Ganon

The problem is that we don't have a usable Ganondorf in BotW.
He's (as every story/main quest element) a joke as a boss.
His character design is useless to something as Smash.So at max we can have a BotW Link and Zelda.
I never understood the BotW hype, people talk as it was game-breaking and changed Zelda forever.
BotW have good ideas, but nothing new or ground-breaking at all.
You think dividing as the "classic Zelda" and "BotW" is more important than "Toon" and "Not Toon" games...
TloZ:SS is the epitome of motion-controls and then they go for other route to the next game (maybe because it wasn't popular).
It's possible (and I want a lot) that they work to make a main-quest game again and not a open world Zelda in the next one.

TLoZ: Breath of the Wild is a great game. But is not a REVOLUTION.
Please stop treating BotW as the first open-world game ever.

 

[Knight Dude]

Zelda's normals are the thing that should be changed up, more so than her specials in any major way. She needs help. If her Side-B didn't leave her in freefall when in mid-air, that'd be cool too.

I think most of Link's changes will be cosmetic, or slight alterations of his typical set. Like the bombs and boomerang's designs. And namely whether or not the bombs can willfully be detonated at will.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Zelda's normals are the thing that should be changed up, more so than her specials in any major way. She needs help. If her Side-B didn't leave her in freefall when in mid-air, that'd be cool too.

I think most of Link's changes will be cosmetic, or slight alterations of his typical set. Like the bombs and boomerang's designs. And namely whether or not the bombs can willfully be detonated at will.

And Zelda needs an air attack that's not a theme on Falcon's knee.

If Captain Falcon's air attacks were all knees then he sure as sugar wouldn't have a good air game.

 

[FlareHabanero]

She needs help. If her Side-B didn't leave her in freefall when in mid-air, that'd be cool too.

Legit talk, but I never understood why Zelda's Din's Fire left her in a helpless state. The move is far too slow to camp with, you can't grab ledges while the move is active, and leaves Zelda completely vulnerable while doing so. You can't stall with it while off the stage like you can with Pit's Light Arrows, yet they thought leaving Zelda completely helpless in the air after using the move was a smart idea?

 

[SuperMii3D]

If possible, I could help you out in your assessments for this speculation period. I am pretty much 100% more focused on figuring out the roster for this game. If possible, make Animal Crossing one of your first analyses, because it is by far one of the most interesting subjects to discuss in speculation in terms of already represented franchises getting more characters.

This would be interesting to partake in. I'd love to take a look and analyze each series, their characters and what could come out of a series into Smash Switch.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Something to keep in mind for Zelda discussion. If we do get a revamped Link and Zelda, we might as well consider them newcomers at this point, or at least the equivalent. Better yet, i’ll be kind. Let’s say the work of 1.5 newcomers based on the fact that Link may only change a few moves and not much else.

If we get an additional character, we’re getting 3 newcomers from the same franchise. I’m not too sure how likely that looks. I may be wrong, but that’s how I’m looking at it.

In general, I simply don’t know that Mario at the very least needs another character for the roster. Balance in the roster is something that Sakurai considers, which is why Corrin was questionable when added in DLC. While Yoshi, Wario, and Donkey Kong obviously have their own series, they’re all related to one another outside of Smash.

Anyway, what I will say is that Pauline could get the Rosalina treatment. I just don’t know if it’s the same situation, as Pauline hasn’t had the same exposure as Rosalina (spin-offs) did at the time. I would say she’s in the running, but again i’m not sure that Mario will get somebody playable this time.

First of all, Pauline is objectively a DK character, but I'm not gonna have another discussion about that.

Second, As weird as it seems considering Mario got two newcomers last time and now has six, Mario is very likely to get one this time. However, this is assuming the cast of the last game is returning which is probably more than likely giving the timing of this installment and being that it's not jumping to a new generation of graphics and there are little to no characters to update. With THAT out of the way...

Reason one, Pokemon is most certainly getting a newcomer. With Mewtwo that will leave 7 Pokemon, 6 Mario, and 5 Zelda. In every character select screen, Mario has as much if not more than Pokemon & Zelda. While Pokemon and Zelda technically had more playable characters in Brawl, the characters were combined to make 4 official fighters each on the character select screen.

Reason two, Captain Toad. He's not a shoo-in, but he is one of the most notable highlights of the 2014-2016 era of Nintendo. Combining that with the fact that he is Toad, it seems more than likely.

It's very likely that we may have a newcomer for both Mario & Pokemon and possibly even two for Zelda.

EDIT: Dr. Mario is a bonus at the bottom of the select screen. A character added near the end of the game. If Pokemon has 7 original characters while Mario has six + a clone, that doesn't count as the two universes being equally represented.

 

[Troykv]

The problem is that we don't have a usable Ganondorf in BotW.
He's (as every story/main quest element) a joke as a boss.
His character design is useless to something as Smash.So at max we can have a BotW Link and Zelda.
I never understood the BotW hype, people talk as it was game-breaking and changed Zelda forever.
BotW have good ideas, but nothing new or ground-breaking at all.
You think dividing as the "classic Zelda" and "BotW" is more important than "Toon" and "Not Toon" games...
TloZ:SS is the epitome of motion-controls and then they go for other route to the next game (maybe because it wasn't popular).
It's possible (and I want a lot) that they work to make a main-quest game again and not a open world Zelda in the next one.

TLoZ: Breath of the Wild is a great game. But is not a REVOLUTION.
Please stop treating BotW as the first open-world game ever.

The game isn't exactly a revolution, but being the first game of his kind in the franchise since 1986 is without a doubt impressive.

 

[Wyoming]

Pauline's trophy was in the Donkey Kong series category. So she is a DK character in their eyes.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Pauline's trophy was in the Donkey Kong series category. So she is a DK character in their eyes.

And Super Mario Odyssey is literally the only Mario game she has ever been in. In a level where she was surrounded by references to Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Country.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Personally, I want Tetra way more than other Zelda newcomer right now. If things go as planned, she'll even be the first character I make a moveset for.

It's certainly gonna be interesting to see how the Zelda part of the roster is handled in Smash Switch. We might get more of the same ole' (the current characters, maybe a newcomer who's more significant to the series as a whole) or maybe it might actually break some new ground.

 

[Deleted member]

Why don't we just add Groose and call it a day?

We need to add Groose in Smash and I need Groose to enter my room from a portal and read me a wonderful bedtime story.

Pauline's trophy was in the Donkey Kong series category. So she is a DK character in their eyes.

Hmm.... I guess that means Pauline could be in the DK series category, but I think they could slide with more Mario because of Mario Odyssey having her. Plus the DK + Mario games featured quite a lot of Mario in it.

 

[Deleted member]

I swear to Hylia if Link and Zelda get a revamp and yet Ganondorf doesn't get one........

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Bradli Wartooth

I didn't realize Zelda had a connection with the Goddesses in BOTW. I played the whole game, but their names weren't mentioned in any of the cut scenes. So yeah, she may just retain their abilities as the previous Zelda did, but maybe a new down special.

I think people are too quick to jump to "Link's gonna be totally different now!" just because of a design change. Link still has the bow, bombs, boomerang, and spin attack.

The only differences are probably going to be the magnet instead of the hook shot, and the travel gate warp as his entrance.

 

[Mr. Mumbles]

If we ever get Hyrule Warriors 2 and not a third Hyrule Warriors port (after 3DS and Switch), Groose definitely should be added to the roster.

I also want the Oracles (Din, Nayru, and Farore), Koume and Kotake (as a team), Blind the Thief, Error from Zelda II, Madame MeowMeow with her pet Bow-Wow, the Postman (as a character, not as a costume). Beedle, Dampe (as a ghost), and the original Ganon (from NES and SNES games).

You sir have a damn fine jib. I don't know who cut it, but I'd refer a friend to them anyday.

Oh, and Onix and Veran while we're at it. Probably some of the most forgettable villains in the series, but they'd be fun to play as and there is no such thing as too much Oracle representation imo.

Oh right, this isn't a hyrule warriors forum.... hmmm... erm... Professional Jib Cutter for smash 5!

 

[Senselessbreak]

People don't even know if this game is going to reuse the Smash 4 engine or not. If it does (which I strongly feel it will), theres no reason to think we aren't getting switch reps and plenty of them. People also think for some reason that characters like Springman and Rex can't be made in the 2 years time they've been publicly revealed. (Likely Sakurai knew of them longer).

I expect at the minimum on the base roster:

Springman
Rex and Pyra
FE 16 Lord

And in addition, I feel a gen 8 pokemon is getting in.

 

[Danpal65]

I didn't realize Zelda had a connection with the Goddesses in BOTW. I played the whole game, but their names weren't mentioned in any of the cut scenes. So yeah, she may just retain their abilities as the previous Zelda did, but maybe a new down special.

Yeah, she went and visited their shrines to try and awaken her own powers. That was basically what her journey around Hyrule was for.


I think it would be nice if Link (BotW), Zelda (BotW design) and Ganondorf could all get reworked mousiest. Not completely reworking them to the point they are completely new necessarily, but definitely change up some of their moves. I do think it is possible they could create a BotW style design for Ganondorf though. Sheik got a Twilight Princess design in Smash based off of concept art, it surely would not be too difficult to get something similar done for Ganondorf.

 

[Superyoshiom]

Here's my thing regarding clones in Smash. Basically, I understand they help bring in new characters and increase representation. As a result, I don't have a problem with character like Lucina, Roy, Dark Pit, or Wolf, for example, as they are distinct characters from what their movesets are based on.

What I do have a problem with, is clone characters that are literally alternate costumes, namely Dr. Mario (and to an extent Pichu, as he evolves into Pikachu, but that's a little looser). I don't mind him too much in Smash tbh, but if we're getting a Mario clone at the very least it could be a clone that's also a different character, like Daisy.

This is the exact same reason people hate characters like Pink Gold Peach in Mario Kart. As for the moevesets, an easy option is just to have characters have alternate moves that can allow them to use moves previously cut. For example, allow Mario to access the Tornado once again, and if Ganondorf gets a shakeup, let him have his old clone-set as alternate moves.

 

[Hinata]

On another subject, I brought this up in another thread, but I feel it's pertinent to mention it here.

In 2 days, it will have been a full month since Smash for Switch got announced, and we've had nothing but radio silence the whole time. Just feels weird to me.

 

[PLATINUM7]

On another subject, I brought this up in another thread, but I feel it's pertinent to mention it here.

In 2 days, it will have been a full month since Smash for Switch got announced, and we've had nothing but radio silence the whole time. Just feels weird to me.

Isn't that always the case?

Silence until we start getting a steady stream of information.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Bradli Wartooth

I didn't realize Zelda had a connection with the Goddesses in BOTW. I played the whole game, but their names weren't mentioned in any of the cut scenes. So yeah, she may just retain their abilities as the previous Zelda did, but maybe a new down special.

I think people are too quick to jump to "Link's gonna be totally different now!" just because of a design change. Link still has the bow, bombs, boomerang, and spin attack.

The only differences are probably going to be the magnet instead of the hook shot, and the travel gate warp as his entrance.

The main difference I want them to bring for Link is to replace his boomerang with a Lizal Boomerang. Make it move a little faster and do more damage, but less knockback or something. It'd also further differentiate it from Toon Link's.

 

[Danpal65]

On another subject, I brought this up in another thread, but I feel it's pertinent to mention it here.

In 2 days, it will have been a full month since Smash for Switch got announced, and we've had nothing but radio silence the whole time. Just feels weird to me.

I reckon we could be seeing another Nintendo Direct soonish (2-3 weeks?). We have what is probably a new Pokémon announcement Monday next week most likely for Zeraora, but there is hints that it could also be a new Eeveeloution. There is also the fact that the new Spyro remaster has been revealed and been pretty much confirmed through leaks to be coming to the Switch, but not officially, so there is that as well.

If we do get a Direct this month, maybe early next month, I imagine we will certainly get some sort of Smash information, be it another character, or an actual look at the game.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Here's my thing regarding clones in Smash. Basically, I understand they help bring in new characters and increase representation. As a result, I don't have a problem with character like Lucina, Roy, Dark Pit, or Wolf, for example, as they are distinct characters from what their movesets are based on.

What I do have a problem with, is clone characters that are literally alternate costumes, namely Dr. Mario (and to an extent Pichu, as he evolves into Pikachu, but that's a little looser). I don't mind him too much in Smash tbh, but if we're getting a Mario clone at the very least it could be a clone that's also a different character, like Daisy.

This is the exact same reason people hate characters like Pink Gold Peach in Mario Kart. As for the moevesets, an easy option is just to have characters have alternate moves that can allow them to use moves previously cut. For example, allow Mario to access the Tornado once again, and if Ganondorf gets a shakeup, let him have his old clone-set as alternate moves.

Dr. Mario is one of my favorite games. He's one of my favorite characters in Super Smash Bros and Pink Gold Peach is one of my favorite Mario characters along with Metal Mario.

Why should the rest of us suffer because you have some entitled sense that Nintendo should listen to you because you complain the loudest about things that don't matter at all.

Like is Nintendo to supposed to look at the comments on their YouTube videos and go: "Well, never mind the hundreds of people who use these characters online all the time. There's a vocal minority of frustrated teens on the internet with unjust and irrational hatreds for these characters. Better get rid of them."

Like there's actually a lot more people than you think who don't toss and turn in their sleep at night because Mario & Dr. Mario are same person. I'll take Dr. Mario over freaking Daisy any day, thank you.

There is such a thing as an irrational hatred. And it's VERY common among the Nintendo fanbase.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

First of all, Pauline is objectively a DK character, but I'm not gonna have another discussion about that.

Second, As weird as it seems considering Mario got two newcomers last time and now has six, Mario is very likely to get one this time. However, this is assuming the cast of the last game is returning which is probably more than likely giving the timing of this installment and being that it's not jumping to a new generation of graphics and there are little to no characters to update. With THAT out of the way...

Reason one, Pokemon is most certainly getting a newcomer. With Mewtwo that will leave 7 Pokemon, 6 Mario, and 5 Zelda. In every character select screen, Mario has as much if not more than Pokemon & Zelda. While Pokemon and Zelda technically had more playable characters in Brawl, the characters were combined to make 4 official fighters each on the character select screen.

Reason two, Captain Toad. He's not a shoo-in, but he is one of the most notable highlights of the 2014-2016 era of Nintendo. Combining that with the fact that he is Toad, it seems more than likely.

It's very likely that we may have a newcomer for both Mario & Pokemon and possibly even two for Zelda.

EDIT: Dr. Mario is a bonus at the bottom of the select screen. A character added near the end of the game. If Pokemon has 7 original characters while Mario has six + a clone, that doesn't count as the two universes being equally represented.

I do have to wonder if, because Smash changes things once in awhile, Sakurai would have the balls to make Pauline a “Mario” character with the mushroom symbol. That might be controversial .

I’m still not all that sure if we’re going to get more added to each series. There’s always potential for it but...I don’t know. I kinda just get the feeling that the hype surrounding all the new breakout games maybe getting us to believe certain characters are going to be added, but again i’m simply just not sure.

I mean Pokémon I expect. But considering the emphasis BOTW puts on Link and Zelda, I can’t help but feel those two will be the “new” characters. I won’t be upset if we get a Zelda character to be honest, because hey would probably be super fun to play. I just am quite unsure about it happening.

EDIT: Side note- I have a feeling we’re getting a Direct about Smash before E3, because they aren’t going to reveal the game by having people watch a tournament. Even if it’s 10 minutes, we’d be getting a brief Smash info burst.

 

[mario123007]

They'd have to be a pair. It's the whole point of the game lol

And I also think it won't just be Rex and Pyra, it can be Rex and Pyra + other Bladies

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Man, I can’t stop commenting. Something I wanted to respond to but am on my phone and quoting can be goofy sometimes. Anyways, here we go.

If they change Zelda, they need to change the whole moveset. No offense to anybody who mains her, but here’s the thing: she sucks and isn’t viable.

Now, i’m not going to force “muh esports” on anybody, but Zelda has not been good since at least Brawl where she severely struggled to stand out from her counterpart, Sheik. Zelda is slow, has janky sweet and sour spots on her attacks, and nothing fits together to allow for her Smashes/sweet spots to consistently connect. This is a problem, but it doesn’t have to be.

First of all, if she’s in her adventuring attire, she doesn’t need to be constricted by a dress. If she’s wearing pants, she can run faster and be more agile, using multiple kicks rather than a single kick at a time.

Second...ugh I feel like this is a spoiler.

Spoiler: BOTW SPOILERS

To prepare for the coming of Ganon, Zelda visits the gods, but none respond to her which leads to her feeling like she failed everyone when everything goes wrong. She did have a closer relationship with the other Champions however. Also, take note of what she has used since Melee...Din's Fire, Nayru's Love and Farore's Wind. Those are all spells that Link could use in Ocarina of Time. Zelda never used them in canon, unless there is something from a graphic novel that I'm missing. Either way, this is negligible.

Third, it would be utterly bizarre to me if they changed Link's design but not Zelda. If Link doesn't get the Sheikah slate in her moveset, there is always the chance that Zelda could get it in hers.

By no means am I predicting that Zelda won't use any magic. I just think it might be a good thing for her to have the overhaul rather than conserving any of her current form. It's not good, and was created with the basis of having a faster, more combo heavy form.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

There is such a thing as an irrational hatred. Nintendo is not the kind of company to listen to a bunch of people who hate a character when there's a lot of people who love it.

Like is so hard to pick up a game and enjoy it without nitpicking every little aspect of it? Like most people are fine with playing Mario Kart 8 and playing as Cat Peach because they like Peach and think she's cute in a Cat Outfit.

Most people like the Dr. Mario games and think it's neat that he's a playable character and a lot of people use him online. Just like a LOT of people use Metal Mario in Mario Kart.

When did Nintendo's fans all become Nathaniel Bandy, broadcasting themselves on the world wide web in embarrassing videos screaming to the top of their lungs that Pink Gold Peach is in Mario Sports Superstars.

 

[Superyoshiom]

Dr. Mario is one of my favorite games. He's one of my favorite characters in Super Smash Bros and Pink Gold Peach is one of my favorite Mario characters along with Metal Mario.

Why should the rest of us suffer because you have some entitled sense that Nintendo should listen to you because you complain the loudest about things that don't matter at all.

Like is Nintendo to supposed to look at the comments on their YouTube videos and go: "Well, never mind the hundreds of people who use these characters online all the time. There's a vocal minority of frustrated teens on the internet with unjust and irrational hatreds for these characters. Better get rid of them."

Like there's actually a lot more people than you think who don't toss and turn in their sleep at night because Mario & Dr. Mario are same person. I'll take Dr. Mario over freaking Daisy any day, thank you.

First off, you seem to be approaching the subject a little aggressively. I understand you like Dr. Mario, and I agree that it's an important series to Nintendo. I also don't care if Daisy gets in or not, that was me using an example.

He can easily get representation without taking up a character spot. As we've seen from the Zelda discussion a couple of pages ago, a separate character is not the only way to represent a series. He can be, as most people have suggested, just an alternate color palette, as Project M. has shown us. Beyond this, he can still get music and a stage (which I think we're long overdue for).

If we're to get any clones that are the exact same version of the character (I don't count Toon Link, since it is a separate Link from another timeline, whereas Mario has been the same Mario in the same continuity, whether he's a doctor or not, but you're free to call me out on that if you wish), Dr. Mario is definitely the most deserving option. I'm just saying that shouldn't have to be the case.

Also, people tend to throw the word "entitled" around, as if to demean people with any alternative opinions on a video game. It can definitely be argued that wanting characters like Bayonetta or Cloud cut simply because they don't mesh well with the cast is a bit entitled, since they're separate characters with distinct movesets, but Dr. Mario, and the rest of the clones are a different story.

I feel like you'd be the person to call a person for wanting Ganondorf to get a more inspired moveset entitled, arguing about all the people who use his character as a clone of Captain Falcon.

Like it or not, every character, even clones, take development time. I'm not asking for an original character to be made over porting easy clones, I'm just saying at this point it's unnecessary. The roster's already getting crowded as is. Every bit of development time used for porting over that data or changing a character's attributes can be used to polish the game up in other areas.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Man, I can’t stop commenting. Something I wanted to respond to but am on my phone and quoting can be goofy sometimes. Anyways, here we go.

If they change Zelda, they need to change the whole moveset. No offense to anybody who mains her, but here’s the thing: she sucks and isn’t viable.

Now, i’m not going to force “muh esports” on anybody, but Zelda has not been good since at least Brawl where she severely struggled to stand out from her counterpart, Sheik. Zelda is slow, has janky sweet and sour spots on her attacks, and nothing fits together to allow for her Smashes/sweet spots to consistently connect. This is a problem, but it doesn’t have to be.

First of all, if she’s in her adventuring attire, she doesn’t need to be constricted by a dress. If she’s wearing pants, she can run faster and be more agile, using multiple kicks rather than a single kick at a time.

Second...ugh I feel like this is a spoiler.

Spoiler: BOTW SPOILERS

To prepare for the coming of Ganon, Zelda visits the gods, but none respond to her which leads to her feeling like she failed everyone when everything goes wrong. She did have a closer relationship with the other Champions however. Also, take note of what she has used since Melee...Din's Fire, Nayru's Love and Farore's Wind. Those are all spells that Link could use in Ocarina of Time. Zelda never used them in canon, unless there is something from a graphic novel that I'm missing. Either way, this is negligible.

Third, it would be utterly bizarre to me if they changed Link's design but not Zelda. If Link doesn't get the Sheikah slate in her moveset, there is always the chance that Zelda could get it in hers.

By no means am I predicting that Zelda won't use any magic. I just think it might be a good thing for her to have the overhaul rather than conserving any of her current form. It's not good, and was created with the basis of having a faster, more combo heavy form.

While I personally don't want Zelda to have the Champion abilities, I am quite excited to see how she changes if they decide to do a full overhaul, even if it includes the Champion abilities. Zelda is one of the few characters I can sit on For Glory with now even though she's hot garbage just because I like her as a character. Perhaps Zelda is Smash Switch's newcomer.

 

[Danpal65]

Man, I can’t stop commenting. Something I wanted to respond to but am on my phone and quoting can be goofy sometimes. Anyways, here we go.

If they change Zelda, they need to change the whole moveset. No offense to anybody who mains her, but here’s the thing: she sucks and isn’t viable.

Now, i’m not going to force “muh esports” on anybody, but Zelda has not been good since at least Brawl where she severely struggled to stand out from her counterpart, Sheik. Zelda is slow, has janky sweet and sour spots on her attacks, and nothing fits together to allow for her Smashes/sweet spots to consistently connect. This is a problem, but it doesn’t have to be.

First of all, if she’s in her adventuring attire, she doesn’t need to be constricted by a dress. If she’s wearing pants, she can run faster and be more agile, using multiple kicks rather than a single kick at a time.

Second...ugh I feel like this is a spoiler.

Spoiler: BOTW SPOILERS

To prepare for the coming of Ganon, Zelda visits the gods, but none respond to her which leads to her feeling like she failed everyone when everything goes wrong. She did have a closer relationship with the other Champions however. Also, take note of what she has used since Melee...Din's Fire, Nayru's Love and Farore's Wind. Those are all spells that Link could use in Ocarina of Time. Zelda never used them in canon, unless there is something from a graphic novel that I'm missing. Either way, this is negligible.

Third, it would be utterly bizarre to me if they changed Link's design but not Zelda. If Link doesn't get the Sheikah slate in her moveset, there is always the chance that Zelda could get it in hers.

By no means am I predicting that Zelda won't use any magic. I just think it might be a good thing for her to have the overhaul rather than conserving any of her current form. It's not good, and was created with the basis of having a faster, more combo heavy form.

Totally agree with you. BotW has been a great resource for developing Zelda's character and this Smash game is definitely one where they could, and should, shake up and change her moveset. It would be really disappointing if we get the cool BotW Zelda design, but she is stuck with the moveset she already has.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

What do you think about third party content outside of characters? Possibly stages for Harvest Moon, Monster Hunter, Space Invaders, or other Namco/Arcade games?

 

[mario123007]

One thing I also want to point out is that the Xenoblade series seems to be going in a weird direction where it is divided in two sub series: One being the story driven ones with rotating casts (XC1 and XC2) and the XCX series which seems to be doing it’s own thing and keep its cast consistent with a possible sequel coming up. So it my be possible we can get both characters base roster or DLC.

Um... no... it's not going in a weird direction
XC2 goes with a more what XC is... a very good story but also has many stuff to do in the game.
XCX goes with more linear story but with a lot of things to do. And Takahashi hasn't confirm a XCX sequel... and probably never will, I think we can have XCX Switch with an additional story the occurred after the game's cliffhanger ending

tl;dr
XC1 XC2 Story> Gameplay
XCX Story < Gameplay

I don't think she'll be in Smash, but you are really underselling her iconic status. I feel like people here are so immersed in Nintendo history that they tend to overlook how prominent characters outside of Nintendo have been throughout history.

Nobody is underselling her iconic status... the gripe is...
Those who use that iconic status to prove that Lara Croft can be in Smash Bros is misleading and narrow minded.... and what I am stating here will get a lot of people mad...

Lara Croft has even less possibility to be in Smash Bros than Rex and Pyra, and Springman... come at me (JK)

This is Smash Bros Switch we are discussing about, just yo let those who want Lara Croft to be in Smash Bros know, it is nearly impossible for those third party western third party characters to be in Smash.

But to be fair, Tomb Raider games are published by Square Enix recently...

 

[Superyoshiom]

What do you think about third party content outside of characters? Possibly stages for Harvest Moon, Monster Hunter, Space Invaders, or other Namco/Arcade games?

Not a new stage, but we should get the Pac Maze from 3DS back for this game. Either that or make a stage based on Pacman Championship Edition DX, since that also released on the switch.

 

[Danpal65]

What do you think about third party content outside of characters? Possibly stages for Harvest Moon, Monster Hunter, Space Invaders, or other Namco/Arcade games?

I think for 3rd parties, outside of characters, we could see some solid representation through trophies. We had Rayman in Sm4sh as a trophy so I could see that being fleshed out to other characters and series.

In terms of stages I honestly think it depends on whether Namco is helping develop the game or not. If they are I could see an arcade game/compilation stage, but otherwise I would not expect much beyond a stage representing any 3rd party characters (Midgard, Umbra Witch Tower, Wiley's Castle, etc.).

 

[TheLastJinjo]

While I personally don't want Zelda to have the Champion abilities, I am quite excited to see how she changes if they decide to do a full overhaul, even if it includes the Champion abilities. Zelda is one of the few characters I can sit on For Glory with now even though she's hot garbage just because I like her as a character. Perhaps Zelda is Smash Switch's newcomer.

After how amazing Breath of The Wild is, I'm eager for Botw Zelda to be in Super Smash Bros. I want a Zelda that I have a real connection with as Twilight Princess was so boring, I just couldn't get through it.

It's really nice that Super Smash Bros is celebrating the era of Zelda that belongs to kids that are experiencing their first Super Smash Bros and adults who are proud of the change Zelda and Nintendo is going through with the Switch Era.

 

[PeridotGX]

My take on this is that they overhaul Zelda and give her old stuff to Toon Zelda

Also, Dr.Mario should'nt be cut. He's a two-time veteran that can serve as an archive to all the changes to Mario

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

What do you think about third party content outside of characters? Possibly stages for Harvest Moon, Monster Hunter, Space Invaders, or other Namco/Arcade games?

I think a Farm stage could make an interesting Saffron City-esque stage where farm animals come out of a barn and do crazy ****.

One sad realization I had just now in regards to Harvest Moon is that it hasn't even gotten so much as a trophy in Smash even though the dominant portion of the games have been Nintendo exclusives. That game has been supporting Nintendo consoles consistently since 1996, I think it's looong past due there was some sort of representation of it in Smash, even if its just a trophy.

 

[Danpal65]

My take on this is that they overhaul Zelda and give her old stuff to Toon Zelda

Also, Dr.Mario should'nt be cut. He's a two-time veteran that can serve as an archive to all the changes to Mario

Things is though it would not make any sense for Toon Zelda to use the same abilities as the current Zelda moveset. Yes they are both magical, but Toon Zelda has nothing to do with Ocarina of Time.

Personally, if Sakurai is going to include some sort of Toon representation of Zelda Tetra would be a much better fit. She would be much more distinct and is seen to be much more capable without having to posses a Phantom.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Things is though it would not make any sense for Toon Zelda to use the same abilities as the current Zelda moveset. Yes they are both magical, but Toon Zelda has nothing to do with Ocarina of Time.

Personally, if Sakurai is going to include some sort of Toon representation of Zelda Tetra would be a much better fit. She would be much more distinct and is seen to be much more capable without having to posses a Phantom.

Tetra would be so cool, honestly. We're long overdue for a pirate.


I just really like pirates