Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Chrom could have been added later if they felt like they were ahead of schedule and thought they could add another echo to the base game.

There's nothing to outright support this, though. So far, we have nothing to suggest Echoes were late additions this time. We only have what Sakurai said, that he decided the roster in December 2015. He already noted Dark Samus and Chrom were highly popular. Ballot was already a thing. They were just easy additions. It just means they took less time than some, but it doesn't mean they were late additions.

What the information shown only suggests is they weren't given higher priority in being worked on compared to some characters. That's literally all we that's fairly obvious right now. They were easy additions, and clearly kept that way. Plus, Chrom got more updated moves than some Echoes, which already implies he had some higher priorities. The only actual Echoes that had little development shown at best are still Lucina and Dark Pit. The rest have more design factors for them. It's unlikely they were late additions if more work was done on them. Why give more work if they're way late? They don't have time to do that. The only thing clear is that fixing up models was done way later. Chrom, Wolf, and Young Link all had problematic models too. It's not an Echo thing. It's just some vets and Echoes clearly didn't have as much work put into them during the same time as some unique newcomers, that's all. Development has cycles. Some characters had details done later on over others. It's a matter of "doing what and when".

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Ok, but the game isn't even out yet.

Like, Geno is 99.99% a Spirit.

But we've seen it???

That was a online icon not a spirit

 

[Kuon]

anime *******, man
they're everywhere

What's the censored word supposed to be? I really can't tell

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Some background music.

Post the real version you doofus.
https://youtu.be/a5dWESyZ1j8

 

[Kuon]

Inkling girl better say Woomy and Inkling boy better say Ngyes or this game is instant -1000/10.

I've seen the word Woomy before and know that it's related to Splatoon, but have no idea what it means

 

[Will]

That was a online icon not a spirit

Being left as just an icon is worse than just being a Spirit.
Geno is most definitely a spirit.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Nah there’s probably nothing. Square gave the bare minimum with Cloud. 1 stage, 2 songs.

Square doesn't own the songs. The composer does. And he costs an arm and a leg.

The rest is on Square, though.

 

[PsySmasher]

But we've seen it???

If the online profile thing does equate to a spirit.. then yes.
It would be kind of weird for them to use Geno as an online profile image, but not as a spirit.
We don't know for sure, but it's still a possibility.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Being left as just an icon is worse than just being a Spirit.
Geno is most definitely a spirit.

Doesn’t matter

Spirit or not mewtwo and Lucas kill that arguement (trophies or should I say spirits in smash 4 but playable later on)

 

[Will]

Doesn’t matter

Spirit or not mewtwo and Lucas kill that arguement (trophies or should I say spirits in smash 4 but playable later on)

I'm sorry did I say it deconfirmed him or did I say Geno was a spirit

 

[Iridium]

Inkling girl better say Woomy and Inkling boy better say Ngyes or this game is instant -1000/10.

Well, I haven't heard those either. Honestly not sure if they're not there at all, though.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If the online profile thing does equate to a spirit.. then yes.
It would be kind of weird for them to use Geno as an online profile image, but not as a spirit.
We don't know for sure, but it's still a possibility.

Regardless, if Geno is DLC, it just means they'll strike another deal with Square to use him again. Anything he has in the base game is already licensed.

Using him in other ways not agreed upon already requires more licensing.

Spirit or not, it's irrelevant at this point. It's just a matter of whether Square will say yes to using him in other ways and if Nintendo put him on the list for Sakurai to look at. Of course, it also depends if Sakurai chose him among the many possible characters. For all we know, he could be a later DLC and not part of the Season Pass. We won't know till it comes up or more information is given, really.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I'm sorry did I say it deconfirmed him or did I say Geno was a spirit

Spirit

I’m just saying no need to worry about spirits deconfirming characters

Besides it shows Nintendo is aware and know s about geno and Vergeben hinted a square rep

 

[Idon]

Smash 6, better have ****ing Dark Samus de-echoed, or I swear they better not even bother bringing her back.

 

[Will]

Spirit

I’m just saying no need to worry about spirits deconfirming characters

Besides it shows Nintendo is aware and know s about geno and Vergeben hinted a square rep

I have never said being a Spirit would deconfirm a character nor did I ever look as if I was worried about Geno like he was my son.

 

[Deleted member]

I've seen the word Woomy before and know that it's related to Splatoon, but have no idea what it means

It's a sound that Inkling girls make when you use the "Booyah!" phrase in Splatoon. Inkling boys go "Ngyes" when they do it.

Octolings have their own versions as well: Girls go "Veemo", and boys go " Weyo" or "Oomi".

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Smash 6, better have ****ing Dark Samus de-echoed, or I swear they better not even bother bringing her back.

I hope so, but for all we know she'll get the Lucina/Dark Pit curse and remain unchanged for years to come.

 

[Kuon]

Smash 6, better have ****ing Dark Samus de-echoed, or I swear they better not even bother bringing her back.

I bet she'll either come back as an echo or not come back at all. I don't see them using their time and money to make her a unique fighter (not saying they shouldn't, but just that I think they'd use their resources for new echoes and new unique fighters)

 

[PsySmasher]

Regardless, if Geno is DLC, it just means they'll strike another deal with Square to use him again. Anything he has in the base game is already licensed.

Using him in other ways not agreed upon already requires more licensing.

Spirit or not, it's irrelevant at this point. It's just a matter of whether Square will say yes to using him in other ways and if Nintendo put him on the list for Sakurai to look at. Of course, it also depends if Sakurai chose him among the many possible characters. For all we know, he could be a later DLC and not part of the Season Pass. We won't know till it comes up or more information is given, really.

I wasn't implying Geno isn't possible for DLC; he has a realistic chance.

I'm only saying it would be kind of stupid for Nintendo to use him as an online profile pic, but not as a spirit with the same image. That's it.

I'm very much in the court of "spirits don't deconfirm DLC" since our options would be much more limited and easier to predict.

Unless we see a trend in the DLC characters, we can't make a statement on what spirits do to someone's DLC chances.

 

[ChronoKatie]

Hey everyone. Been sick for a few days. Anything new in DLC world?

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Smash 6, better have ****ing Dark Samus de-echoed, or I swear they better not even bother bringing her back.

That’s honestly what I hope for. I’m thankful she’s even in this game at all but she still had so much potential to be unique.

 

[PsySmasher]

Hey everyone. Been sick for a few days. Anything new in DLC world?

Hitagi has gone back on Katalina being in Smash. He thinks the negotiations were for a different project.

Steve, at this point, is the only character that's been outright stated by a leaker w/ some credibility (Hitagi).

Other than that, we're still trying to figure out everything else, including the Square rep.

 

[RandomAce]

Oh my gosh that was amazing. That was the hardest I've laughed all week.

Derpy Miis are always funny. Miitopia and Tomodachi life taught me this.

Give your father a hug, LA-CUNA...

Favorite part.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I hope so, but for all we know she'll get the Lucina/Dark Pit curse and remain unchanged for years to come.

I'm not upset at all about Dark Pit or Lucina being echoes, but dang, seeing the treatment echoes are getting this time around almost makes me wish they were included in Ultimate first rather then 4. They should have at least given Lucina her father's new Final Smash, at the very least.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Ugh, can the 7th just get here already so I can get through WoL to play these two badasses?

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[Idon]

Ugh, can the 7th just get here already so I can get through WoL to play these two badasses?

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Dat's a lotta purple

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Ugh, can the 7th just get here already so I can get through WoL to play these two badasses?

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Not gonna lie, due to the Smash Ball placement, that Ridley picture confused me for a second...

 

[Iridium]

Oh, the Nintendo Live event in Kyoto will be happening in 5 days, so we'll get to see something good. Also, I think that's when Sakurai should be showing off WoL content, like he said he would.

 

[Idon]

Oh, the Nintendo Live event in Kyoto will be happening in 5 days, so we'll get to see something good. Also, I think that's when Sakurai should be showing off WoL content, like he said he would.

You gotta link to where they'll be showing it or is it not up yet?

 

[Iridium]

You gotta link to where they'll be showing it or is it not up yet?

Yeah, it's not up yet. It should be on the same YT channel it was on last time.

 

[Noipoi]

Ugh, can the 7th just get here already so I can get through WoL to play these two badasses?

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I will have Incineroar suplex Galeem.
Don't ask me how, i'll make it work.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Dat's a lotta purple

If I added my third main it would be even more purple. I guess I have a secret purple bias.

I will have Incineroar suplex Galeem.
Don't ask me how, i'll make it work.

Heh, I got a funny mental picture thinking about that.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Delete please

 

[alemerltoucanet]

I missed y'all too much, how's everyone going? Think my bro Quote has a shot?

 

[Kuon]

It's a sound that Inkling girls make when you use the "Booyah!" phrase in Splatoon. Inkling boys go "Ngyes" when they do it.

Octolings have their own versions as well: Girls go "Veemo", and boys go " Weyo" or "Oomi".

Huh... Well, that explains a lot

 

[FurretBro]

Oh, the Nintendo Live event in Kyoto will be happening in 5 days, so we'll get to see something good. Also, I think that's when Sakurai should be showing off WoL content, like he said he would.

Can't wait to see Ridley and Mewtwo. Greninja, too, but they wouldn't be that interesting. Maybe they will be.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

I missed y'all too much, how's everyone going? Think my bro Quote has a shot?

Honestly, probably not my guy. You can quote me on that.

 

[Kuon]

I missed y'all too much, how's everyone going? Think my bro Quote has a shot?

Quote from Cave Story? I dunno. It doesn't seem too likely after what happened to SK

 

[alemerltoucanet]

Honestly, probably not my guy. You can quote me on that.

*cries in pixel language or something*

Quote from Cave Story? I dunno. It doesn't seem too likely after what happened to SK

Yeah, him. X'D
Ngl, that SK part is true. However, he is completely absent and Nintendo and Nicalis are pretty close, so maybeee.
(Though, Pixel would have have to be willing to get on board with it, so there's that).

 

[Iridium]

Wait, has anyone else noticed the Robin blog post? Am I late once again?

I mean, nobody really cares anymore, but I'm bored.