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Sir, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to get a ticket and wait in line; Ganondorf's been waiting for the de-clone-ification train for 3 games now.
When a character stops being a clone?
It's not that they don't care, it's that it's a video game and it really isn't as serious as others are taking it. Chances are there's two Chrom's because he was added in later in development.
I didn't said it in a negative way. As you said, it's a game and it breaks the logic in a lot of ways, I doubt they considered Chrom having two roles as a big problem.
Sad part is he isn't even being based upon his canon self just by having a sword. That's a non-canon version from the Space Tech Demo. He only has a sword canonically in Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. If they actually wanted to de-clone him, they'd give him his OOT spells or reuse his TP design and focus on his actual sword attacks from there. Though to be fair, Warlock Thrust is actually a proper attack from the game. He does not use that sword often an focuses more on being badass through his own great strength and influence. He has a cool sword fight at the end, but his immense magic is what matters in the story. Physically too as shown with Beast Ganon(despite the mistranslation, it fits the idea, being a Boar, which is pretty different from his more humanoid beast form that Ganon normally has, which is referred to Pig Ganon instead by many).
When they reach the point of uniqueness where a term like "semi-clone" fails to be a proper categorical definition. For instance, I'd still label Doc a semi-clone, but would refer to Luigi as a unique fighter with fitting and justifiable similarities to another character.
Have you been to the Ganondorf discussion thread? We've gone over many things like that. From deduction alone of the Zelda lore, we can easily infer that OoT Ganondorf could definitely use a sword (Pig Canon from OoT proves it) and if he had to use a sword in OoT, the Zelda team came up with the Spaceworld design. It's been pretty much accepted as his OoT sword by the Zelda fanbase for over 18 years now. It's not canon, no, but it's still seen as his sword due to both Spaceworld's demo and Melee.
I sort of agree with
Idon
. Dark Samus should be given new moves in a later title. Though I don't think the character should be deleted if it doesn't happen either.
Dark Samus would be extremely lucky to return as an echo, to be perfectly honest.I sort of agree with
The differences between Ganon and Falcon are pretty understated. As is Fox and Wolf. Which is funny since many people are quick to jump at the chance to talk about how different Marth and Roy are now.
Ganon has a different Jab, F-Air, F-Tilt, D-Tilt, U-Smash, D-Smash, F-Smash, and Side-B. I'm pretty sure Falcon and Ganon also have different Throws.
Not to mention Speed and Jump Height, and Ganon's lack of wall Jumps.
Not to say Ganon can't get even more unique moves down the line but you get what I mean.
I'd like to think Dark Samus will get a few new moves in later entries, much like Luigi and Ganon. That's what happened in previous games. And D.Samus has potential moves to take from, Rapid Fire, Boost Ball, and a Dive Bomb to name a few. Would be cool if she could make a clone or use those Phazon Vines from her AT.
From deduction alone of the Zelda lore, we can easily infer that OoT Ganondorf could punch people really, really hard.
Unfortunately that might be the case. But she's the coolest one damn it. I have hope she'll be back.
It doesn't prove anything. It just proves that Pig Ganon can use two swords. The only reason we should believe Ganondorf can use a sword in OOT is because he was taught how to fight by the Gerudos, who use swords. Not the fact that his demonic form uses a weapon. Again.
This is part of why I liked his TP style. Despite it clearly making him less viable for competitive play, it fully made him feel way more badass too. Just walking through all those attacks and kicking the opponent out while barely flinching was really fun. It also meshed well with his personality, as he shrugged off stuff that wasn't holy attacks in some cases, or just really strong spells/weapons. Though TP kind of went against that, as he was fairly easy to beat with a regular sword. In OOT and WW you needed extra holy power to remotely break through his magical armor just so you can remotely deal real damage to him.
I did make a 100k fanfic all about smash brothers brawl and survivor, it's online lol. Was going to make a sequel with Ultimate, but no one was too interested in reading it so...I'd watch this series.
I swear, you better keep doing this with every character blog update until the end. XD
Said everyone since Melee.
I really don't get why Dark Samus is an echo in the first place. Pretty much every one of her animations is different from Samus', which means making her a clone didn't save much in terms of resources, and she has plenty of moveset potential, so why not just make her her own fighter, or at least a semi-clone with different specials?
Him having the cape would fit more than Dr. Mario I guess.
I misunderstood that as referring to the Fate character and got very confused.
I mean, with different attacks come different hitboxes.
Dr. Mario's has always been the "Super Sheet" though. It makes sense. He's a doctor.
I just might...
Well, you could always make the "cape flick" more its own attack than replacing a special. I suggest jab or ftilt, since it is essentially a physical backhanded swing, just with a cape. Not a huge difference from a palm strike or front kick.
It was merely an example. I have a much longer post on the subject with far greater detail on the Ganondorf board.
I never said it made him canon. I specifically said it wasn't.
Punching one time in a cutscene or two does not a fighting style determine. He gets physical yes, but not with his fists all that much. In fact, in Wind Waker whenever he punched Link it was meant to NOT kill him. Which would infer that he only punched because it was a non-lethal method of dispatching his foe. whenever he got serious, he drew the sword.
Then it should be over Jab then, F-Tilt's already an original move that's useful for pokes and all.
Honestly no.
Sorry, I don't quite get what you mean. Isn't the Brawl moveset just the Melee moveset but slowed down?
Link has to use a magically created sword enchanted to kill evil to repeatedly smack Ganondorf in the massive glowing magical wound in his chest left over from the time he survived being stabbed by another magically created sword enchanted to kill evil just to knock him off his feet.It was merely an example. I have a much longer post on the subject with far greater detail on the Ganondorf board.
I never said it made him canon. I specifically said it wasn't.
Punching one time in a cutscene or two does not a fighting style determine. He gets physical yes, but not with his fists all that much. In fact, in Wind Waker whenever he punched Link it was meant to NOT kill him. Which would infer that he only punched because it was a non-lethal method of dispatching his foe. whenever he got serious, he drew the sword.
The only time he punched in any of his boss fights was when when he punched the floor in OoT. Also, official art is not always canon. The OoT art also depicts an entire battle scenario with Link & Sheik fighting off an army of Stalfos, Lizalfos, and Moblins but that never happens in the game. The art doesn't magically make it canon.
Also, what does his personality have to do with anything? His personality doesn't change, sword or not. His method of extermination is the only thing that changes.
Here's the other thing though, if Ganondorf were such a physical powerhouse as we believe him to be, how does this happen?
Link overpowers Ganondorf in a physical struggle? If he's really supposed to be so physically strong, how does this happen? It doesn't happen, unless our fundamental understanding of Ganondorf's "power" is misguided, as his displays of martial prowess are rather unimpressive.
The whole concept of "physically strong" Ganondorf was created in Melee. Simply put, Smash Ganondorf essentially isn't LoZ Ganondorf.
TP Ganon was shrunk down for Smash wasn't he? Cause he's pretty much twice Link's size back in TP.
The ***** died STANDING ON HIS FEET! How is that NOT strong?
That first part is partially correct. The fact that the moveset was slowed down fits TP Dorf much better than OoT Dorf.
Scrawny elf boi shoves off full gown man twice his height despite possessing ancient god relic that grants him immortality and immense power.
So, can we be honest here? The only reason we like TP Ganondorf is because of the BEARD. So I figured, if Ganondorf looked better with a beard, then I can use 5 minutes of PhotoShop magic and...
The dude was one monolith build mother-******.
This is an old debate, but worth pointing out to people who aren't aware, because honestly, Sakurai gets a bad rap for Ganondorf even though he's actually really accurate now. Yes, the Falcon kick has no basis in canon. Yes, Ganondorf is missing some key moves. But a lot of characters both have made up moves and are lacking iconic ones. Piranha Plant can't even spit fireballs.
