Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Ramen Tengoku]

If I were in charge of a Playstation fighting game, this would be the roster I choose:

• Kratos
• Crash Bandicoot
• Nathan Drake
• Delsin Rowe
• Sly Cooper
• Ellie
• Ratchet and Clank
• Jak and Daxter
• Spyro The Dragon
• Jin Kazama
• Dante
• Leon Kennedy
• Sir Daniel Fortesque
• Bloodborne Hunter
• Ivy
• Parapa The Rapper
• Solid Snake
• Cloud Strife
• Lara Croft
• 2B
• Monster Hunter
• Joker
• Kazuma Kiryu
• Sack Boy
• Bushido Blade Character
• Spider-Man (yes, I'm dead serious)

I find the lack of the Katamari Prince, upsetting

 

[Kingslime304]

Let's criticize some Fire Emblem designs

Such as:

Spoiler

WHY THE EVER LIVING ****, DOES A FEMALE GENERAL IN FATES HAVE CLEAVEAGE ON HER MEATY FLOPS IF THE ENTIRE POINT OF A GENERALS DESIGN IS TO BE FULLY HEAVY ARMORED?! I MEANT WHAT A WHHAT?!

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Ruined forever for me, so I'll ruin it for you

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[Good Guy Giygas]

If I were in charge of a Playstation fighting game, this would be the roster I choose:

• Kratos
• Crash Bandicoot
• Nathan Drake
• Delsin Rowe
• Sly Cooper
• Ellie
• Ratchet and Clank
• Jak and Daxter
• Spyro The Dragon
• Jin Kazama
• Dante
• Leon Kennedy
• Sir Daniel Fortesque
• Bloodborne Hunter
• Ivy
• Parapa The Rapper
• Solid Snake
• Cloud Strife
• Lara Croft
• 2B
• Monster Hunter
• Joker
• Kazuma Kiryu
• Sack Boy
• Bushido Blade Character
• Spider-Man (yes, I'm dead serious)

Add Corvo Attano from Dishonored and Handsome Jack from Borderlands 2, and we good.

 

[Deleted member]

If they didn't want to replace Chrom in Robin's Final Smash, they should've made him Santa Chrom.

Spoiler: Large

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

If they didn't want to replace Chrom in Robin's Final Smash, they should've made it Santa Chrom.

Spoiler: Large

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Such a missed opportunity for an alt

Let's criticize some Fire Emblem designs

Such as:

Spoiler

WHY THE EVER LIVING ****, DOES A FEMALE GENERAL IN FATES HAVE CLEAVEAGE ON HER MEATY FLOPS IF THE ENTIRE POINT OF A GENERALS DESIGN IS TO BE FULLY HEAVY ARMORED?! I MEANT WHAT A WHHAT?!

It's called fanservice... Fire Emblem does it a lot...

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Let's criticize some Fire Emblem designs

Such as:

Spoiler

WHY THE EVER LIVING ****, DOES A FEMALE GENERAL IN FATES HAVE CLEAVEAGE ON HER MEATY FLOPS IF THE ENTIRE POINT OF A GENERALS DESIGN IS TO BE FULLY HEAVY ARMORED?! I MEANT WHAT A WHHAT?!

I've never heard the term "meaty flops" before and never want to ever again.

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

You seem incredibly agitated; so much so that you dived into a defense virtually unprovoked when the topic was about leaks and theories in regards to Smash pre-release in general. Like, goddamn, take a chill pill.

I am agitated. I constantly see 'people calling it ESRB 2.0 had absolutely no reason whatsoever to claim something so foolhardy' and strawmen mockery along the lines of 'every line of reasoning brought up against the leak being real was just Shulk = Little Mac 2.0 lololololol' and while it doesn't particularly bother me, I was fine with it being real or fake, it contributes to the fandom's constant willingness to generalize, misconstrue, and only see things in hindsight.

If people are going to make fun of people who believed it, at least point at people in particular instead of generalizing the whole group under an umbrella of 'ya'll are stupid and all had your ears plugged'. Hell, make fun of me pushing 'Incineroar is leaker bait', it's a much more justified point than calling each and every person who was willing to believe it a fool.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The moment Ivysaur appeared in "Everyone is Here!" was my most hype moment.

I got the character I voted for in the ballot, so I was ecstatic.

I'm with you on that.

I was excited to see in the Everyone is Here trailer, but there was only one character I had in mind since then.



My boy is finally back where he belongs, and he's reassembled the avengers.

I was so stoked for them in Brawl, and I can't wait to play them again!

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Talking most hype moments huh? One Gif speaks a thousand words

Nah bro.

The Cloud Trailer was like a “wha wha wha WHAT!!!” On steroids for me. That was the most hypest week ever. Inkling trailer, Ridley trailer, K. Rool trailer, Castlevania trailer, and any smash 4 trailer can take a back seat. The Cloud Reveal was the ah BoE most hypest Reveal of anything. In the history of game. In the history of entertainment. Of the i history of mankind. I show that trailer to my daughter and even though she can’t even speak yet, I know she thinks the same way. I just know it.

If I were in charge of a Playstation fighting game, this would be the roster I choose:

• Kratos
• Crash Bandicoot
• Nathan Drake
• Delsin Rowe
• Sly Cooper
• Ellie
• Ratchet and Clank
• Jak and Daxter
• Spyro The Dragon
• Jin Kazama
• Dante
• Leon Kennedy
• Sir Daniel Fortesque
• Bloodborne Hunter
• Ivy
• Parapa The Rapper
• Solid Snake
• Cloud Strife
• Lara Croft
• 2B
• Monster Hunter
• Joker
• Kazuma Kiryu
• Sack Boy
• Bushido Blade Character
• Spider-Man (yes, I'm dead serious)

Dude. Talk Smash. Not fake Smash.....



Honestly not getting even some of those characters was criminal. It was like...hey! We got Kratos and Nathan! Sack Boy and Parapawhatev....and....Isaac Clark....and Evil Cole....and Fat Princess...

Seriously though, I just wanted my Chimera.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Most hyped moment of Ultimate?

"Man, Simon's looking great, Richter was a great surprise, and Luigi is dead. How can this Direct possibly get any bett-"
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Y'all know the part in Hercules, right at the end? When Phil sees Hercules immortalized in the stars?

I was Phil.

I was a satyr played by Danny DeVito, and I couldn't have been happier.

Ridley, K Rool, and Petey are the most hype newcomers

 

[praline]

Wart would be an interesting character for Smash. I wouldn’t be against it.

Even though I know the chances are hella low. I don’t even think he’s had a trophy or sticker though either.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Nah bro.

The Cloud Trailer was like a “wha wha wha WHAT!!!” On steroids for me. That was the most hypest week ever.



Dude. Talk Smash. Not fake Smash.....



Honestly not getting even some of those characters was criminal. It was like...hey! We got Kratos and Nathan! Sack Boy and Parapawhatev....and....Isaac Clark....and Evil Cole....and Fat Princess...

Seriously though, I just wanted my Chimera.

It's "Sackboy" you uncultured frick. It's also "Parappa the Rapper"

 

[Deleted member]

Wart would be an interesting character for Smash. I wouldn’t be against it.

Even though I know the chances are hella low. I don’t even think he’s had a trophy or sticker though either.

Spoiler: OMG 100% LEGIT

He's in.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Wart would be an interesting character for Smash. I wouldn’t be against it.

Even though I know the chances are hella low. I don’t even think he’s had a trophy or sticker though either.

He's got a spirit now, doesn't he? So that's pretty nice

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

It's "Sackboy" you uncultured frick. It's also "Parappa the Rapper"

*Parappadarappa

 

[Deleted member]

Most hyped moment of Ultimate?

"Man, Simon's looking great, Richter was a great surprise, and Luigi is dead. How can this Direct possibly get any bett-"
View attachment 178601

Y'all know the part in Hercules, right at the end? When Phil sees Hercules immortalized in the stars?

I was Phil.

I was a satyr played by Danny DeVito, and I couldn't have been happier.

Honestly, I'm over the whole "Aaaaaah, too many FE characters!" thing. It was silly. I was silly.

Chrom is super cool, and I'm happy you got what you wanted. The way you describe how you felt sounds like me with how I felt about Inkling's and Isabelle's reveals, lol.

Ultimate is a really cool game. We're soon approaching the two week mark!

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

*Parappadarappa

*SackBOI

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If they didn't want to replace Chrom in Robin's Final Smash, they should've made him Santa Chrom.

Spoiler: Large

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I doubt it's a case of "didn't want to". It's probably just a case of "we have a ton of stuff to do. It's a cutscene Final Smash. It's not a big deal, and these fan rules are irrelevant anyway."

In other words, with so much time, they can't prioritize making an all new Final Smash or upgrading it with a completely different character. These things take time. It's a cutscene type already, which is what Sakurai wanted from the start to streamline the gameplay. It already fit, so why fix what's not broken? The worse thing is people go crazy over fan rules. Nothing really makes that worth worrying about.

 

[praline]

Spoiler: OMG 100% LEGIT

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He's in.

Interesting design choice making him low poly.

 

[PsySmasher]

Let's criticize some Fire Emblem designs

Such as:

Spoiler

WHY THE EVER LIVING ****, DOES A FEMALE GENERAL IN FATES HAVE CLEAVEAGE ON HER MEATY FLOPS IF THE ENTIRE POINT OF A GENERALS DESIGN IS TO BE FULLY HEAVY ARMORED?! I MEANT WHAT A WHHAT?!

It's Fire Emblem... we shouldn't have to go over this buddy.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Interesting design choice making him low poly.

That looks like smashified

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

It's "Sackboy" you uncultured frick. It's also "Parappa the Rapper"

Sorry, I don’t play Sackboy from God of Uncharted Princess Rappa Planet & Daxter. It’s for little kids.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Most hyped moment of Ultimate?

"Man, Simon's looking great, Richter was a great surprise, and Luigi is dead. How can this Direct possibly get any bett-"
View attachment 178601

Y'all know the part in Hercules, right at the end? When Phil sees Hercules immortalized in the stars?

I was Phil.

I was a satyr played by Danny DeVito, and I couldn't have been happier.

Did I watch a different Chrom reveal trailer than everyone else? This is the one I saw:

 

[praline]

That looks like smashified

It’s definitely not.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Sorry, I don’t play Sackboy from God of Uncharted Princess Rappa Planet & Daxter. It’s for little kids.

You sone of a heck

 

[Deleted member]

I doubt it's a case of "didn't want to". It's probably just a case of "we have a ton of stuff to do. It's a cutscene Final Smash. It's not a big deal, and these fan rules are irrelevant anyway."

In other words, with so much time, they can't prioritize making an all new Final Smash or upgrading it with a completely different character. These things take time. It's a cutscene type already, which is what Sakurai wanted from the start to streamline the gameplay. It already fit, so why fix what's not broken? The worse thing is people go crazy over fan rules. Nothing really makes that worth worrying about.

Chrom seems like a late addition too. It likely was just a "we don't have time to model out a new character, change the animation of this one move, get the voice actors for whatever character we choose and change the GFX to match." I don't blame them for not replacing Chrom at all.

 

[praline]

Most hyped moment of Ultimate?

"Man, Simon's looking great, Richter was a great surprise, and Luigi is dead. How can this Direct possibly get any bett-"
View attachment 178601

Y'all know the part in Hercules, right at the end? When Phil sees Hercules immortalized in the stars?

I was Phil.

I was a satyr played by Danny DeVito, and I couldn't have been happier.

You had the same reaction I had when his daughter was added to 4.

 

[Kuon]

Interesting design choice making him low poly.

Ngl, I kinda wanna get Mario Tennis Aces just for Daisy, because Daisy is bae (and Rosalina)

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Ngl, I kinda wanna get Mario Tennis Aces just for Daisy, because Daisy is bae (and Rosalina)

Daisy is a cow

 

[praline]

Ngl, I kinda wanna get Mario Tennis Aces just for Daisy, because Daisy is bae (and Rosalina)

I love Daisy, she’s the best princess and I don’t care what anyone says.

 

[Kuon]

Daisy is a cow

That's Daisy the Moo Cow to you, sir

Spoiler

 

[Blargg888]

Chrom seems like a late addition too. It likely was just a "we don't have time to model out a new character, change the animation of this one move, get the voice actors for whatever character we choose and change the GFX to match." I don't blame them for not replacing Chrom at all.

IIRC, Chrom also doesn't have the new victory theme that Robin and Lucina have.

 

[Deleted member]

Did I watch a different Chrom reveal trailer than everyone else? This is the one I saw:

Oh my gosh that was amazing. That was the hardest I've laughed all week.

Derpy Miis are always funny. Miitopia and Tomodachi life taught me this.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

I just want Daisy's taunts in Ultimate to blow out my speakers. Bonus points if they reach a frequency only my dog can hear.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Did I watch a different Chrom reveal trailer than everyone else? This is the one I saw:

****in' classic right here.

 

[Deleted member]

Most hyped moment of Ultimate?

"Man, Simon's looking great, Richter was a great surprise, and Luigi is dead. How can this Direct possibly get any bett-"
View attachment 178601

Y'all know the part in Hercules, right at the end? When Phil sees Hercules immortalized in the stars?

I was Phil.

I was a satyr played by Danny DeVito, and I couldn't have been happier.

Chrom was honestly the best FE character to top the Ultimate base roster off, great addition.

I love all of the additions, honestly.

 

[Kuon]

I love Daisy, she’s the best princess and I don’t care what anyone says.

Agreed... but so is Rosalina... but Daisy is better than best.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Chrom seems like a late addition too. It likely was just a "we don't have time to model out a new character, change the animation of this one move, get the voice actors for whatever character we choose and change the GFX to match." I don't blame them for not replacing Chrom at all.

I don't know. It seems like he clearly wasn't worked on much around his reveal time, but that doesn't mean he was a late addition. Echoes may have been decided upon very early this time. This is notable with Richter. He had to have been decided upon almost right away, due to how licensing works. It's likely that he got chosen not just because of the whole "moveset being similar", but trying to get the licensing for multiple Belmonts was difficult, so he went for one more instead, making the licensing easier.

If this is the case, it makes sense to decide the full roster just as early on. He may have chosen the Echoes around the same time besides Richter. All were fairly easy to make, and were popular. For all we know, Richter was the only one chosen somewhat later(around when they started worked on licensing out Simon and the Castlevania materials). It is possible Ken got licensed a little later, but it makes more sense he got chosen immediately. The other few Echoes were all 1st party and super easy to choose, especially since the ballot showed how popular they options were.

There's a good chance the full roster was chosen super early with no late additions. In Chrom's case, trying to remake the Final Smash was a low priority because it took too much time to make all new models. And again, it worked right for the purpose. Maybe at one point, he intended to, but realized it already fits.

 

[praline]

IIRC, Chrom also doesn't have the new victory theme that Robin and Lucina have.

Hopefully they fix all this in a patch.