Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Buffalo Soldier]

Doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that Piranha will forever be saddled with the point that no one asked for him. Joke character or not the character is far from a popular choice as a character free or not.

What does matter to people is that instead of resources and development time being put towards a Krystal, or a Geno, or an Isaac, or a Bandanna Dee, or an Ashley, or a Skull Kid; or even echoes like Black Knight, Shadow, or Hilda, they decided to devote time and resources to a character that was merely added for shock value. Now don't get me wrong, I love the idea of Piranha Plant, as a regular little mook of an enemy he kind of fills that little niche. A normal *** normal enemy. And while I'm not overtly frustrated with his inclusion I wholly understand the frustration caused by his inclusion and honestly I do find the idea of shock characters annoying. Here's my thinking: Akuma and Geese came out to Tekken 7 to worldwide praise for calling back to the legacy of fighting games. Compare these to a Ridley or a K. Rool. On the other side of the spectrum Noctis got announced and people were confused and baffled by his inclusion. Did he turn out to be a cool character? Absolutely. People love him now. Compare this to a Snake, Cloud, or Simon. And more recently, and most appropriate for an example, Negan from The Walking Dead got announced for the game. There is really no point in adding said character except for shock value. That little boost of hype that can get eyes on the game from a more mainstream audience. Compare this to Piranha Plant. The difference is PP doesn't have the trait of reaching out to further audiences. It's a simple out of the blue character. Would we have lamented Piranha Plant if he never ever got into Smash? Nah. Not at all. Because most of us don't care. He's just a goofy character.

I do think the whole PP announcement was done incredibly poorly, you could even say maybe in bad taste. After months of speculation about Shadow and Isaac the bomb is dropped that they're Assist trophies. Then almost immediately followed up with a character trailer for a LITERAL generic enemy. Not even a discernable trait like Bandanna Dee or Captain Toad. Just a plant. As an Isaac fan I can tell you it was a hell of a blow to see Isaac as an Assist and a Mario Plant as a character.

Though I digress. To answer your question quite simply. Probably. But no. With any of those more popular or preferred characters they could have sold that first character and people would have jumped on it. The only way they could get away with PP was by making it free. Could you imagine if someone bought the Fighters Pass expecting something special and instead got... plant? Alas, people will complain about anything and everything so on the other side, yeah, people would've complained. Resources could've went to any character I listed above to upgrade them from an Assist but they didn't do that. They decided to make Piranha Plant.

Honestly, I'm fine with PP but if you really REALLY can't see why people are upset by his inclusion over Geno, Isaac, Ashley, etc. then you are wearing some damn thick blinders.

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All I’ll say is, as a slight casual, I knew what a Pirahna Plant was and had never heard of any of those other characters until I joined these boards. I think that’s Nintendo’s expectation, too.

 

[Bee Card]

I think Elma has a good chance cause big-n want to push its new series xenoblade and Elma is the number one on the waiting list even rex was always in this waiting list.

 

[A.G.L.]

I think Elma has a good chance cause big-n want to push its new series xenoblade and Elma is the number one on the waiting list even rex was always in this waiting list.

Unfortunately, its more likely they will push a Fire Emblem Three Houses character like they did with Corrin in Wii U. Depending on when they release each DLC character, they could put a Three Houses rep to cross promote with the release of Fire Emblem Three Houses. We will have to see though, Nintendo could surprise us.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

All I’ll say is, as a slight casual, I knew what a Pirahna Plant was and had never heard of any of those other characters until I joined these boards. I think that’s Nintendo’s expectation, too.

Sure, but here's the thing. When K. Rool and Simon got announced what did you hear on Social Media? Non stop talk of love for those two. When Ridley got announced and Snake came back what did people talk about Nonstop? Those two and how glad they were to see them. And the negatives were drowned out by the mass positives. This is your hardcore fanbase. This is what people just casually passing through learning about Smash is going to see. These people that love this game so much. Word of mouth is one of the most important parts of marketing. "Why are all these people excited for this game? I should check it out! Oh it has this character I love? I should try it!". Round and round. And it's always good.

If the consumer is the life blood of the product then the hardcore fans is the beating heart. The ones that WANT to share this game with others and so they talk about it.

Piranha Plant's reaction was VERY mixed to say the least. Some people were damn livid, some people thought it was hilarious, and some people liked it. Now what if it was Geno? Would it be Positive > Negative like Ridley, K. Rool, etc.? Or Positive = Negative like Piranha Plant? It matters. People think that word of mouth means most nothing when in fact it can make all the difference in the world. Do I think Piranha Plant killed the hype? Definitely not but I think another character would have been better for everyone.

Still, it is what it is and we got what we got. Hopefully, Piranha Plant isn't a sign for what's to come. Hopefully.

 

[_CosmicLibra_]

Welcome friend, I also hope we get Sora

over a DQ character

. We will have to see, if Nintendo partnered with Disney in Ralph B

Yeah i didnt think of that. It could increase the chances Sora would be a really hard fighter to put in because of all the licences but damm imagine his final smash involved Donald and goofy we could officially say Donald and goofy are partly in smash

 

[osby]

Unfortunately, its more likely they will push a Fire Emblem Three Houses character like they did with Corrin in Wii U. Depending on when they release each DLC character, they could put a Three Houses rep to cross promote with the release of Fire Emblem Three Houses. We will have to see though, Nintendo could surprise us.

Corrin wasn't chosen by Nintendo.

 

[A.G.L.]

Yeah i didnt think of that. It could increase the chances Sora would be a really hard fighter to put in because of all the licences but damm imagine his final smash involved Donald and goofy we could officially say Donald and goofy are partly in smash

It would be very unlikely that if Sora was added in he would use any Disney characters in his attacks. Nintendo would want to distance themselves from adding any Disney character references since those characters (Donald, Goofy) are not game characters. If Sora was added they may even change his weapon from the Kingdom Key to another Keyblade. As the Kingdom Key has a chain attached to it with a mickey mouse symbol.

Corrin wasn't chosen by Nintendo.

I stand corrected I thought it was Nintendo who added him in. Still though it would benefit Nintendo by adding a Three Houses rep as the DLC character could release around the same time as the game. I could see Nintendo doing this, but we will have to wait and see.

 

[SuperSceptile15]

Doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that Piranha will forever be saddled with the point that no one asked for him. Joke character or not the character is far from a popular choice as a character free or not.

What does matter to people is that instead of resources and development time being put towards a Krystal, or a Geno, or an Isaac, or a Bandanna Dee, or an Ashley, or a Skull Kid; or even echoes like Black Knight, Shadow, or Hilda, they decided to devote time and resources to a character that was merely added for shock value. Now don't get me wrong, I love the idea of Piranha Plant, as a regular little mook of an enemy he kind of fills that little niche. A normal *** normal enemy. And while I'm not overtly frustrated with his inclusion I wholly understand the frustration caused by his inclusion and honestly I do find the idea of shock characters annoying. Here's my thinking: Akuma and Geese came out to Tekken 7 to worldwide praise for calling back to the legacy of fighting games. Compare these to a Ridley or a K. Rool. On the other side of the spectrum Noctis got announced and people were confused and baffled by his inclusion. Did he turn out to be a cool character? Absolutely. People love him now. Compare this to a Snake, Cloud, or Simon. And more recently, and most appropriate for an example, Negan from The Walking Dead got announced for the game. There is really no point in adding said character except for shock value. That little boost of hype that can get eyes on the game from a more mainstream audience. Compare this to Piranha Plant. The difference is PP doesn't have the trait of reaching out to further audiences. It's a simple out of the blue character. Would we have lamented Piranha Plant if he never ever got into Smash? Nah. Not at all. Because most of us don't care. He's just a goofy character.

I do think the whole PP announcement was done incredibly poorly, you could even say maybe in bad taste. After months of speculation about Shadow and Isaac the bomb is dropped that they're Assist trophies. Then almost immediately followed up with a character trailer for a LITERAL generic enemy. Not even a discernable trait like Bandanna Dee or Captain Toad. Just a plant. As an Isaac fan I can tell you it was a hell of a blow to see Isaac as an Assist and a Mario Plant as a character.

Though I digress. To answer your question quite simply. Probably. But no. With any of those more popular or preferred characters they could have sold that first character and people would have jumped on it. The only way they could get away with PP was by making it free. Could you imagine if someone bought the Fighters Pass expecting something special and instead got... plant? Alas, people will complain about anything and everything so on the other side, yeah, people would've complained. Resources could've went to any character I listed above to upgrade them from an Assist but they didn't do that. They decided to make Piranha Plant.

Honestly, I'm fine with PP but if you really REALLY can't see why people are upset by his inclusion over Geno, Isaac, Ashley, etc. then you are wearing some damn thick blinders.

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I would understand if Piranha Plant got in and K. Rool and Ridley still weren't added, but since those characters got in, there aren't really any other heavy hitters to add at this point aside from maybe Dixie Kong or Bandana Dee. At the end of the day, characters like Geno, Isaac, and Ashley (as much as I would have liked her playable) are very insignificant and don't have much of a legacy to stand on no matter how much support they got on online polls. Geno, as unique of a character as he is, was a side character from a single Mario spinoff released a long time ago. He's even less important than Waluigi. Isaac is two steps above Geno solely by being a main character and appearing in multiple games, but Golden Sun is very niche and hasn't gotten a new game in eight years. Ashley would have been a fantastic newcomer, but again, she isn't all that iconic or significant to Nintendo's history. Piranha Plant was the obligatory joke character, that's been included in almost every installment, for Ultimate. Sakurai simply wanted to test his creativity by coming up with a moveset for what is, at its essence, a basic enemy. Not only that, but Piranha Plant also represents the importance of enemies in gaming. They serve as obstacles for the protagonists to overcome, and there had never been a character in the roster before which symbolized that. People have every right to be disappointed that their favorite characters didn't make it in, but getting mad at Sakurai and attacking other characters while blaming them for theirs not making it into the roster is where I draw the line. I'm glad that hardcore fans aren't the ones responsible for deciding the roster, otherwise we would have never gotten unique picks like Wii Fit Trainer, R.O.B., or the plant. These characters allow the developers to truly shine with their creativity and implement movesets that flow well with the fighters which otherwise no one else could see fighting. We already have plenty of fan favorite characters in the roster. Why should every single newcomer pander to fans that don't know what is truly best for the roster like Sakurai?

 

[Deleted member]

Just read through the past 30 or so pages.
Y’know, I would draw my own avatar, but you probably wouldn’t be able to tell if it was supposed to be sigma or some weird incoherent mess of squiggly lines.
Oh this is getting off-topic though.

 

[ganondorf_22]

Just woke up from a dream where Scooby-Doo was in Smash. Anybody else have any dreams like that before? Who was in Smash in your dream?

 

[Zinith]

Just woke up from a dream where Scooby-Doo was in Smash. Anybody else have any dreams like that before? Who was in Smash in your dream?

I think I dreamt that Yusuke Urameshi was in Smash one time...

I adore Yu Yu Hakusho

 

[Raspberry]

Just woke up from a dream where Scooby-Doo was in Smash. Anybody else have any dreams like that before? Who was in Smash in your dream?

Michelle Obama. Not even kidding.

 

[NineS]

Just woke up from a dream where Scooby-Doo was in Smash. Anybody else have any dreams like that before? Who was in Smash in your dream?

In my dream, 2B is in Smash.
However, I have hope in my dream.
I want to believe in my dream.
It would be meaningless to, but I have hope that it will come true. That it is a premonition.
Granted, I guess that's what certain dreams are for, aren't they? To just keep clinging onto and hope they come to life.



I stop making sense after a certain hour, if that isn't clear by this post.


Oh wait, you mean in a dream? I dreamt that Sakurai was in Smash.
He was top tier.
he was banned from tournaments for being too good.

 

[Deleted member]

Just woke up from a dream where Scooby-Doo was in Smash. Anybody else have any dreams like that before? Who was in Smash in your dream?

Ever since the March direct, I have repeatedly and consistently had dreams about Duke Nukem getting into smash. I’m thinking it’s a prophecy.

 

[DevaAshera]

Yes yes. Chocobo is cute. Very cute. Down right adorable! The most wonderful feathery thing you'll ever lay your eyes upon even! Precious bundle of feathery fluff! Whenever he shows his cheerful innocent beaky smile, an angel gets it's halo! And...erm...where was I going with this again...?

*Clears throat* Yeah, umm...I feel like Terra and Bartz are kind of overshadowed by Cloud! If they put another Final Fantasy character in Smash (who isn't the most obvious choice, Chocobo!) I can see them slipping Sephiroth and his ridiculously looooong sword in there. He would put the Belmonts' range to shame!~

Honestly, I just don't think Chocobo is that obvious a choice..the mascot Chocobo isn't even what most people think of when they think of a Chocobo, they think of the more realistic rideable ones from the main series. He may have his own series outside of the larger Final Fantasy series, but its fairly niche.

I name dropped Terra and Bartz because they were directly name dropped by Sakurai as characters he almost chose for Final Fantasy representation before deciding on Cloud due to fan demand (and likely mass recognition as well), but I don't think Sakurai would choose another Final Fantasy VII representative if he decided to add another Final Fantasy character..but I also don't think he would choose a side-series like Chocobo, Tactics, etc rather then one of the mainline numbered series..so pretty much I think one of the primary heroes from the numbered entries (not counting XI and XIV) would be chosen, the most likely candidates being Terra, Bartz, Squall, Noctis, and Cecil.

I have nothing against Chocobo, I just don't think there's all that much fan demand for him as a playable character over the mainline series heroes.

Well, if Sephiroth would be a balancing problem, then there's always another FF7 character they could use...

I will die on this hill.

I'd love Tifa...but I can't see her ever happening :C

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Just woke up from a dream where Scooby-Doo was in Smash. Anybody else have any dreams like that before? Who was in Smash in your dream?

During the Smash 4 days, I had a dream that Phosphora from Kid Icarus Uprising was playable.
More recently, I had a dream about Katalina getting in... (R.I.P)

 

[Zinith]

If I entrench myself in Smash Speculation for a little bit longer, I might be able to dream of Boshi in Smash and a top-tier Yoshi

Or get hammered enough

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Just read through the past 30 or so pages.
Y’know, I would draw my own avatar, but you probably wouldn’t be able to tell if it was supposed to be sigma or some weird incoherent mess of squiggly lines.
Oh this is getting off-topic though.

I wouldn't mind drawing you one.

Just woke up from a dream where Scooby-Doo was in Smash. Anybody else have any dreams like that before? Who was in Smash in your dream?

My bro has, like, boxes full of shinies in Pokemon. After months of searching I didn't have ONE. I literally had dreams about getting them. Then I woke up.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, I just don't think Chocobo is that obvious a choice..the mascot Chocobo isn't even what most people think of when they think of a Chocobo, they think of the more realistic rideable ones from the main series. He may have his own series outside of the larger Final Fantasy series, but its fairly niche.

Uhm what?

How is this realistically looking?

 

[Cosmic77]

Sure, but here's the thing. When K. Rool and Simon got announced what did you hear on Social Media? Non stop talk of love for those two. When Ridley got announced and Snake came back what did people talk about Nonstop? Those two and how glad they were to see them. And the negatives were drowned out by the mass positives. This is your hardcore fanbase. This is what people just casually passing through learning about Smash is going to see. These people that love this game so much. Word of mouth is one of the most important parts of marketing. "Why are all these people excited for this game? I should check it out! Oh it has this character I love? I should try it!". Round and round. And it's always good.

If the consumer is the life blood of the product then the hardcore fans is the beating heart. The ones that WANT to share this game with others and so they talk about it.

Piranha Plant's reaction was VERY mixed to say the least. Some people were damn livid, some people thought it was hilarious, and some people liked it. Now what if it was Geno? Would it be Positive > Negative like Ridley, K. Rool, etc.? Or Positive = Negative like Piranha Plant? It matters. People think that word of mouth means most nothing when in fact it can make all the difference in the world. Do I think Piranha Plant killed the hype? Definitely not but I think another character would have been better for everyone.

Still, it is what it is and we got what we got. Hopefully, Piranha Plant isn't a sign for what's to come. Hopefully.

I don't entirely disagree with you, but if a person has absolutely no idea who the heck Ridley, Simon, or K. Rool is, then it's hard to get excited for them, regardless of how much positive feedback those characters get online.

Piranha Plant got mixed reactions, but overall, I think he's a character who would be very appealing to casuals due to their knowledge of said character. Everyone knows what Super Mario is, and Piranha Plant is an iconic enemy who most people can laugh at and say, "Wait, did they actually put that Mario plant thing in as a character!? That's awesome!" Yeah, a highly requested character like Geno would likely get a better response from the hardcore fanbase, but he's a complete nobody to most people. How could casuals get engaged with the hype if they just learned of Geno's existence in his reveal trailer? Piranha Plant might not be popular, but at least he's got a connection with both sides of the demographic, for better or worse.

Personally, I think we need more Incineroar and Piranha Plant characters. Over the years, I've noticed that the hardcore fanbase seems to have forgotten what it's like to be a new Smash fan, and they tend to forget that a majority of their most wanted characters (Issac, Geno, Banjo, etc.) are too obscure for 9 and 11 year-olds to recognize without a push from older fans.

 

[StellerRJay]

Honestly, I just don't think Chocobo is that obvious a choice..the mascot Chocobo isn't even what most people think of when they think of a Chocobo, they think of the more realistic rideable ones from the main series. He may have his own series outside of the larger Final Fantasy series, but its fairly niche.

I name dropped Terra and Bartz because they were directly name dropped by Sakurai as characters he almost chose for Final Fantasy representation before deciding on Cloud due to fan demand (and likely mass recognition as well), but I don't think Sakurai would choose another Final Fantasy VII representative if he decided to add another Final Fantasy character..but I also don't think he would choose a side-series like Chocobo, Tactics, etc rather then one of the mainline numbered series..so pretty much I think one of the primary heroes from the numbered entries (not counting XI and XIV) would be chosen, the most likely candidates being Terra, Bartz, Squall, Noctis, and Cecil.

I have nothing against Chocobo, I just don't think there's all that much fan demand for him as a playable character over the mainline series heroes.

I do beg to differ though. It would be pretty nice to have SE's mascot, Chocobo in the game along side Cloud. That's what I think anyway. Of course there are many standard chocobos around, but if they were going to choose one chocobo to represent them all, it would clearly be the one with his own series of games.

As for Sakurai name dropping Terra and Bartz before, just remember he's not the one picking out the DLC this time around. It's all in Nintendo's and Square Enix's hands now! I'm just really wondering who they will both end up agreeing on in the end. The suspense is killing me~

 

[Deleted member]

I don't entirely disagree with you, but if a person has absolutely no idea who the heck Ridley, Simon, or K. Rool is, then it's hard to get excited for them, regardless of how much positive feedback those characters get online.

Piranha Plant got mixed reactions, but overall, I think he's a character who would be very appealing to casuals due to their knowledge of said character. Everyone knows what Super Mario is, and Piranha Plant is an iconic enemy who most people can laugh at and say, "Wait, did they actually put that Mario plant thing in as a character!? That's awesome!" Yeah, a highly requested character like Geno would likely get a better response from the hardcore fanbase, but he's a complete nobody to most people. How could casuals get engaged with the hype if they just learned of Geno's existence in his reveal trailer? Piranha Plant might not be popular, but at least he's got a connection with both sides of the demographic, for better or worse.

Personally, I think we need more Incineroar and Piranha Plant characters. Over the years, I've noticed that the hardcore fanbase seems to have forgotten what it's like to be a new Smash fan, and they tend to forget that a majority of their most wanted characters (Issac, Geno, Banjo, etc.) are too obscure for 9 and 11 year-olds to recognize without a push from older fans.

It’s not like it’s impossible to appreciate a character without knowing them beforehand. If a trailer can make a character look cool and appealing, then people are gonna get excited. Think of the amount of people who enjoyed K. Rool’s trailer simply because it was funny and presented K. Rool in a cool way.
I also don’t really understand the appeal to 9-11 year olds thing. The same thing applies, and they’ll likely just be drawn in to the game having Mario and pikachu in the first place.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

It’s not like it’s impossible to appreciate a character without knowing them beforehand. If a trailer can make a character look cool and appealing, then people are gonna get excited. Think of the amount of people who enjoyed K. Rool’s trailer simply because it was funny and presented K. Rool in a cool way.
I also don’t really understand the appeal to 9-11 year olds thing. The same thing applies, and they’ll likely just be drawn in to the game having Mario and pikachu in the first place.

I can say the same for Palutena. I know nothing about Kid Icarus, but Palutena's guidance presented her in a funny and interesting way, that I'm really interested in her character now.

 

[kirbsmash]

What's up guys?

 

[Deleted member]

I wouldn't mind drawing you one.



My bro has, like, boxes full of shinies in Pokemon. After months of searching I didn't have ONE. I literally had dreams about getting them. Then I woke up.

Late on this, but that would be very nice of you!

I can say the same for Palutena. I know nothing about Kid Icarus, but Palutena's guidance presented her in a funny and interesting way, that I'm really interested in her character now.

Exactly. Even just looking at reactions, i saw plenty of people who didn’t know who richter was but really liked him because they presented him in a certain way.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Late on this, but that would be very nice of you!


Exactly. Even just looking at reactions, i saw plenty of people who didn’t know who richter was but really liked him because they presented him in a certain way.

FE in smash did get me to try it in real life, I knew a guy who had Awakening. Immediately loved Chrom as a character, so I can't wait to play him.

 

[osby]

It’s not like it’s impossible to appreciate a character without knowing them beforehand. If a trailer can make a character look cool and appealing, then people are gonna get excited. Think of the amount of people who enjoyed K. Rool’s trailer simply because it was funny and presented K. Rool in a cool way.
I also don’t really understand the appeal to 9-11 year olds thing. The same thing applies, and they’ll likely just be drawn in to the game having Mario and pikachu in the first place.

I'd agree but same can be said for hardcore fans: Couldn't they warm up to PP after seeing how funny he is.

Also, again, hardcore fans are going to get the game anyway since it has , no need to cater to them. by your logic

 

[StellerRJay]

What's up guys?

That avatar of yours. It's...beautiful~

 

[Deleted member]

Just woke up from a dream where Scooby-Doo was in Smash. Anybody else have any dreams like that before? Who was in Smash in your dream?

Madden Player, Kithana from Mortal Kombat with an echo that was her but green and a Crash assist trophy.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

What's up guys?

I was gonna say "The sky", but I've already done that joke before...

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I'd agree but same can be said for hardcore fans: Couldn't they warm up to PP after seeing how funny he is.

Also, again, hardcore fans are going to get the game anyway since it has , no need to cater to them. by your logic

I'm a pretty hardcore fan, but it doesn't mean I love Ridley and K. Rool. I personally have no interest in Ridley, And I think K. Rool is okay

 

[Zinith]

That avatar of yours. It's...beautiful~

Same guy that did mine

 

[Deleted member]

I'd agree but same can be said for hardcore fans: Couldn't they warm up to PP after seeing how funny he is.

Also, again, hardcore fans are going to get the game anyway since it has , no need to cater to them.

I agree to an extent with that first point, I just disagree with people saying that casual fans can’t appreciate characters like ridley or simon.
On that second point, by that same logic, there’s no need to cater to casuals cause they’re gonna get the game away because it has mario, pikachu, Isabelle etc. It’s important to have a balance of hardcore character choices and more casual characters, but (and this is entirely personal) I’d say if you’re going to go all the way with one side, go with hardcore fan choices. That’s just a matter of opinion though.

 

[StellerRJay]

Same guy that did mine

Your Boshi avatar is looking pretty fly my Yoshi guy! My feathery compliments to the artist~

 

[Cosmic77]

It’s not like it’s impossible to appreciate a character without knowing them beforehand. If a trailer can make a character look cool and appealing, then people are gonna get excited. Think of the amount of people who enjoyed K. Rool’s trailer simply because it was funny and presented K. Rool in a cool way.
I also don’t really understand the appeal to 9-11 year olds thing. The same thing applies, and they’ll likely just be drawn in to the game having Mario and pikachu in the first place.

If there's no sense in appealing to casuals because Mario and Pikachu are already on the roster, then I guess there isn't a need to cater to hardcore fans either, right? We already got Mega Man and K. Rool, so we should be set.

There's no harm in sharing Smash hype with younger players. We got Ridley and K. Rool, they got Isabelle and Incineroar. Everyone gets a slice of the fun, and everyone gets to be excited about a newcomer.

 

[kirbsmash]

What kind of a hardcore fan are we talking about here? I know and plays the games of almost all the characters other than FE.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Everyone here is assuming hardcore players love K. Rool and Ridley.
I'm just here as a hardcore player liking K. Rool, Isabelle, and Incineroar.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Same guy that did mine

I am really liking that new Boshi avatar.

 

[Deleted member]

If there's no sense in appealing to casuals because Mario and Pikachu are already on the roster, then I guess there isn't a need to cater to hardcore fans either, right? We already got Mega Man and K. Rool, so we should be set.

There's no harm in sharing Smash hype with younger players. We got Ridley and K. Rool, they got Isabelle and Incineroar. Everyone gets a slice of the fun, and everyone gets to be excited about a newcomer.

Exactly, you should have a balance of choices that to appeal both, I’m just disagreeing with the sentiment that it’s strictly impossible for casual fans to appreciate choices like K. rool. Geno’s really obscure, but if you give him a cool trailer and make him look cool, people will like him. Simple as that.

 

[Zinith]

What kind of a hardcore fan are we talking about here? I know and plays the games of almost all the characters other than FE.

I'm a hardcore fan...

Though probably not in the manner you meant