Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Luigi The President]

Yeah, I enjoy the character above all else, and I care about how they're represented in this Hall of Fame.
I've never in my lifetime ever wanted a character in just so that their name can be read with all the rest.

Hah, that's where we differ I think
Long as they're in I'm good. Totally get why you aren't.

 

[Noipoi]

we can and we are.

I will say though, I appreciate retconning Leaf's name to Green and making her a complete psychopath.

NO.
SPOILERS.

 

[KingofKoopas]

Eh, I'll admit. I forgot that game was coming out. Is there anything interesting about it?

Apparently that Leaf is in it, changed her name to Green and is apparently psycho but nobody will tell me more about that O_o

 

[doomedtacox]

Eh, I'll admit. I forgot that game was coming out. Is there anything interesting about it?

Everything.

 

[Ura]

I'm surprised the topic of Let's Go hasn't come up with it releasing tomorrow, we cant be that apathetic to it can we be?

I haven't cared about the game since it was announced. A massive disappointment even as someone who was excited at the prospect of a PKMN Yellow remake whereas others dreaded anything Gen 1-related.

 

[blackghost]

True

papa NO!!!!

Balder: YES (Possessed by M.Bison)


He's like Eggman Smart which is terrifying...

baldr went from a generic bad guy in bayo 1 to one of the most tragic characters i've seen in recent games in bayo 2.

 

[Deleted member]

Dark Samus would unquestionably be the first echo that I'd declone if I had the choice. It's just kind of unfortunate that the only way she could get in was "oh look she could feasibly use Samus's moveset and not take up too many resources." But hey, at least we also got Ridley.

 

[staindgrey]

Oh you mean for World of Light? The fact that it may not be local co-op? Do we know for sure that it's single player only?

I don't see that happening. But I've also been out of the loop for a week.

I just don't see Sakurai releasing a game with no cooperative play at all outside of Team Smash.

 

[Will]

NO.
SPOILERS.

whats the point if its already too late

like how dio comes back in an epic finale of golden wind

 

[T3Z3R1]

NO.
SPOILERS.

too ****ing bad, just thank those damn streetbroker. I don't even care for Pokemon Let's Go, I just want to get meltan but gameplay disgusts me off i mean we're playing ****ing pokemon go on switch.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

11. I feel like Dark Samus was kind of a lazy echo fighter... Dark Samus in the Prime games has so many unique attacks and just limiting her to an echo of Samus is kinda disappointing and it seems kinda pointless... If you couldn't give her a unique move set, you really just shouldn't have bothered, and just should've given the Echo slot to someone else like Dixie 3/10

Anyone who thinks Dixie should be an echo doesn't know who she is, her ponytail is her gimmick and she's obviously capable of doing many things that Diddy could never do plus she doesn't do cartwheels and Dk's up b move would require unique animation. The fact that she wasn't chosen as such could possibly mean even the devs didn't think she would fit as an echo.

Dark Samus probably wouldn't have been chosen if echoes didn't exist, she was a low priority character that's been missing for a long time. She probably has more potential for her own caliber but they may have thought they could get away with the idea.

 

[Noipoi]

too ****ing bad, just thank those damn streetbroker. I don't even care for Pokemon Let's Go, I just want to get meltan but gameplay disgusts me off i mean we're playing ****ing pokemon go on switch.

I'm only getting it for Meltan. But if there's one thing, just one thing that could possibly bring me joy in this game i'd like it to be a surprise.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

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IIIIIII feel you.
The worst part is the community that'll just eat it up and say "oh yeah duh, it makes total sense that Dark Samus is an echo fighter, wouldn't have it any other way!"
It feels so ****ing revisionist.

Yeah, it's not like there are people who don't care about the moveset and just wanted to see Dark Samus playable finally.
I'm still in awe that she made the roster at all, considering her time had long passed and Ridley was who everybody wanted.

In fact I'll do you one better and say that I think Samus' moveset suits her dark counterpart better than Samus herself.

 

[Idon]

It's Pokemon, guys.
It aint exactly Metal Gear Solid levels of plot twists.

 

[staindgrey]

Dark Samus would unquestionably be the first echo that I'd declone if I had the choice. It's just kind of unfortunate that the only way she could get in was "oh look she could feasibly use Samus's moveset and not take up too many resources." But hey, at least we also got Ridley.

Mine would be Daisy, but that is absolutely, entirely, 100% due to bias and not legitimate misgivings.

I think Dark Samus or Lucina/Chrom would be the most necessary. If anything Lucina should be a clone of Chrom since she learned how to fight from him. Her being a Marth clone and Chrom being a Roy clone, canonically, makes no sense.

 

[Bee Card]

Is it really though? I get what you're saying just not sure I agree.

Idk, I just know that in europe, only h4rdc0r3 smashfans like us knows Geno lol (and that's the way I learned his existence). But I'm not on the team "irrelevant" cause hey, it's a game with the Ice Climbers lol. And even he's not known in europe, it seems that he's a minimum in japan and north america, so why not ?

 

[Luigi The President]

Idk, I just know that in europe, only h4rdc0r3 smashfans like us knows Geno lol (and that's the way I learned his existence). But I'm not on the team "irrelevant" cause hey, it's a game with the Ice Climbers lol. And even he's not known in europe, it seems that he's a minimum in japan and north america, so why not ?

His immense popularity in Japan and NA with the fanbase is there at least.

 

[Diem]

IIIIIII feel you.
The worst part is the community that'll just eat it up and say "oh yeah duh, it makes total sense that Dark Samus is an echo fighter, wouldn't have it any other way!"
It feels so ****ing revisionist.

Should Dark Samus have had a totally unique moveset and playstyle? Absolutely.

Would that ever happen in the grand scheme of things? No.

Dark Samus's prime time (heh) was Brawl, which started development after Metroid Prime 2 came out in 2004 and was released after Metroid Prime 3, which came out in 2007 (in North America). Those are her only two appearances. Instead, we got Zero Suit Samus. Then in Smash 4, which came out 7 years after Metroid Prime 3, Dark Samus was an Assist Trophy, not a fighter, which is almost a death sentence. To put things in perspective, Golden Sun's last game with Isaac/Matthew was in 2010.

Combine this with virtually no visible support and I considered that Dark Samus would never happen. Ridley had historic support, but not Dark Samus. Geno, Shantae, Ashley, Isaac, Bandana Waddle Dee, Skull Kid, and many others all have way more support.

The fact that Dark Samus became an Echo Fighter over characters like Shadow and other much more popular picks is already a miracle. The fact that she's in after we already got Ridley is a double miracle. The fact that she made it in 11 years after her last appearance with no sort of campaign or anything is an additional miracle. I'm counting my blessings.

Not going to say that people shouldn't want more. I want more, too. But it's important to put things in perspective. It was this or nothing. And "this" is at least a character with a great deal of effort put into her model and animations, more so than many other characters.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, it's not like there are people who don't care about the moveset and just wanted to see Dark Samus playable finally.
I'm still in awe that she made the roster at all, considering her time had long passed and Ridley was who everybody wanted.

In fact I'll do you one better and say that I think Samus' moveset suits her dark counterpart better than Samus herself.

Sense Samus has been a pretty bad character in the last two games, redesign Samus from the ground up and then give Dark Samus her own moveset, and leave the current Samus to rot.

 

[Dee Dude]

Question, out of all the cinematic Final Smashes.


Which one is your favorite?

 

[Will]

It's Pokemon, guys.
It aint exactly Metal Gear Solid levels of plot twists.

Red is actually God

 

[beans]

It's Pokemon, guys.
It aint exactly Metal Gear Solid levels of plot twists.

I mean, I wasnt expecting friendly rival so that was certainly a twist.
A twist on me genitals

Question, out of all the cinematic Final Smashes.


Which one is your favorite?

Masked Dedede. Its the biggest missed opportunity he took so long to appear and he still isnt a costume. It's pretty much the mask and done, it couldnt be that hard.

 

[blackghost]

Mine would be Daisy, but that is absolutely, entirely, 100% due to bias and not legitimate misgivings.

I think Dark Samus or Lucina/Chrom would be the most necessary. If anything Lucina should be a clone of Chrom since she learned how to fight from him. Her being a Marth clone and Chrom being a Roy clone, canonically, makes no sense.

lucina being a clone of marth makes perfect se3nse. she literally pretends to be marth. how is that not worthy of being a clone of marth? amkes way more sense than having dark samus be a clone of samus. Richter and Simon arent even clones of each other they are a combination of each other so that also works.
but chrom being a clone of roy is just wrong. no connection to each other. different weapons and one is actually popular to FE fans and one has been carried by smash.

 

[Will]

Question, out of all the cinematic Final Smashes.


Which one is your favorite?

I would say but throwing Fiora in there literally screws up the entire ****ing point of what chain attacks are in Xenoblade

so probably

 

[Bee Card]

Question, out of all the cinematic Final Smashes.


Which one is your favorite?

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[Blargg888]

Guys, everytime I see this shot of Psyducks pose, I can't help but think of this.

Spoiler

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"No, we still have the victim's dying message"
"Dying message?"
"But what could 'Xun PTSD' mean?"

Spoiler

"Perhaps the killer was suffering from some sort of special disorder?"

Question, out of all the cinematic Final Smashes.


Which one is your favorite?

Megaman's

 

[Bee Card]

The Yoshi FS is the best FS of all time cause "Meleeeeeeeee !!!"

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Question, out of all the cinematic Final Smashes.


Which one is your favorite?

, easily. It fits his personality so well, and after 10 years, it holds up pretty well...
Dare I say it, it might be the greatest Final Smash in the entire series.
Honorable mentions to and

 

[Idon]

lucina being a clone of marth makes perfect se3nse. she literally pretends to be marth. how is that not worthy of being a clone of marth? amkes way more sense than having dark samus be a clone of samus. Richter and Simon arent even clones of each other they are a combination of each other so that also works.
but chrom being a clone of roy is just wrong. no connection to each other. different weapons and one is actually popular to FE fans and one has been carried by smash.

I dressed up as Obama for Halloween.
Ergo, I should be put into the White House as an Obama echo.
It makes sense.

 

[Noipoi]

Question, out of all the cinematic Final Smashes.


Which one is your favorite?

I really like these
But my favorite is his

Am I biased? Yes. But it's so cool! He slams you down with his head while wearing the smuggest grin imaginable, that's amazing!

 

[doomedtacox]

His immense popularity in Japan and NA with the fanbase is there at least.

Immense popularity? I'm fairly certain the majority of casuals (who outnumber the hardcore group quite easily) don't even know who he is apart from his Mii costume.

 

[Will]

has fire on the blue falcon now on his final smash and i like to pretend thats a direct reference to the anime

 

[Luigi The President]

Immense popularity? I'm fairly certain the majority of casuals (who outnumber the hardcore group quite easily) don't even know who he is apart from his Mii costume.

I mean you said it yourself
Dude got a Mii Costume out of sheer fan demand, one of the ONLY characters where Sakurai has acknowledged how many fans want him

 

[Deleted member]

I would say but throwing Fiora in there literally screws up the entire ****ing point of what chain attacks are in Xenoblade

so probably

Shulk is actually the avatar character from Xenoblade X, which is why he is allowed to have 3 party members.

It's neat that Fiora's there, but everything about Smash 4 Chain Attack was perfect, and I'd honestly prefer if she were left out. Oh well.

 

[T3Z3R1]

It's Pokemon, guys.
It aint exactly Metal Gear Solid levels of plot twists.

>pokemon
>ain't exactly metal gear Solid levels of plot twist

Well, yeah. But Pokemon BW and B2W2's plot actually feel like **** was going to get real with Ghetsis and his team Plasma very involved in the plot. That's same story I wanted after gen 5. Too bad, Pokemon XY's plot was rushed with "oh look there's hidden weapon of destruction used by some man in the past" and the fact big bad's plot is so ridiculous because he wants to commit the genocide on the whole world all for fabulous! (RIP Z, we could have B2W2-type plot in Z but instead they clopped it and went to gen 7 right away.)

That, and goddamn kanto pandering so much in pokemon SM and USUM! You can notice it very easily with those aloha forms of kanto pokemon and not other gens pokemon in the sight! Pokemon Let's go is an perfect example of kanto pandering being so hard in general.

 

[Idon]

Shulk is actually the avatar character from Xenoblade X, which is why he is allowed to have 3 party members.

It's neat that Fiora's there, but everything about Smash 4 Chain Attack was perfect, and I'd honestly prefer if she were left out. Oh well.

I have a compromise.
CUT RIKI.

 

[doomedtacox]

I mean you said it yourself
Dude got a Mii Costume out of sheer fan demand, one of the ONLY characters where Sakurai has acknowledged how many fans want him

Yeah his fans are very, very, very vocal and committed to him, that doesn't mean they make up a significant portion of the entire install base of people who buy smash.

 

[praline]

Question, out of all the cinematic Final Smashes.


Which one is your favorite?

Simon Belmont easily. GRAND CROSS!

 

[Luigi The President]

Yeah his fans are very, very, very vocal and committed to him, that doesn't mean they make up a significant portion of the entire install base of people who buy smash.

You could say the same thing about K. Rool, Chrom, Daisy.

 

[Noipoi]

>pokemon
>ain't exactly metal gear Solid levels of plot twist

Well, yeah. But Pokemon BW and B2W2's plot actually feel like **** was going to get real with Ghetsis and his team Plasma very involved in the plot. That's same story I wanted after gen 5. Too bad, Pokemon XY's plot was rushed with "oh look there's hidden weapon of destruction used by some man in the past" and the fact big bad's plot is so ridiculous because he wants to commit the genocide on the whole world all for fabulous! (RIP Z, we could have B2W2-type plot in Z but instead they clopped it and went to gen 7 right away.)

That, and goddamn kanto pandering so much in pokemon SM and USUM! You can notice it very easily with those aloha forms of kanto pokemon and not other gens pokemon in the sight! Pokemon Let's go is an perfect example of kanto pandering being so hard in general.

If we're lucky the existence of another Kanto game will make Gamefreak ease up on the pandering.

If only...