Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Cosmic77]

To be fair, thats like comparing a Genocidal Dictator who tries to wipe out an entire race of people for the greater good to a Serial Killer. I would think the former is worse because he does evil for what he thinks is good as compared to the Serial Killer who is probably morally and mentally deficnient.

And that's my point. The fact that Ganondorf is doing what he does for the greater good indicates that he has some type of humane qualities. Ridley is completely unredeemable. He doesn't care who gets killed in the process of his plans, most of which are literally nothing but a petty desire to harm someone.

I think people are focusing too much on the number of people who would be effected by the villain rather than the actions themselves. You honestly think Ridley would be a step up from Ganondorf if he had the same goal of enslaving the entire world?

 

[FreeFox]

It says something about our villain for this smash when not even the most disgusting and henious of characters are interested in working with him. Whatever plan it has, it really doesnt seem like anyone is interested in allowing it. So, I think someone has taken the title as the worst Nintendo villain.

 

[StormC]

This is probably not related to any discussion in this thread but I was curious: does anyone know if we can use Switch Coins towards the Fighter Pass? I assume you can, but if so, it would affect my decision to go physical or digital. It's technically cheaper to just pre-order the vanilla game and then use the coins from that pre-order against the Fighter Pass, but I wanted to make sure that's an option.

 

[beans]

If someone believes their evil actions are just, does that make them less evil? If someone's motives are purely malicious but on a small scale, does that make them more evil then a self righteous villain who's crimes effect hundreds or millions?

This is why I don't believe in absolute goods or absolute evils. The topic is too complex to boil down to "x is evil, but y is evil-er".

But what if somebody is EVILLAK!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wvNvV6Yneg

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Regarding the main villian and our villians...do we have any confirmation that characters like Ganondorf, Ridley & Dark Samus aren't working with it?

Like sure we saw Bowser and King K. Rool but those two have played sports with Mario. I could totally see, at the very least, , & being bosses rather than corrupted allies. They'd still join after being defeated but I could see them not being one of the good guys initially.

 

[KingofKoopas]

And that's my point. The fact that Ganondorf is doing what he does for the greater good indicates that he has some type of humane qualities. Ridley is completely unredeemable. He doesn't care who gets killed in the process of his plans, most of which are literally nothing but a petty desire to harm someone.

I think people are focusing too much on the number of people who would be effected by the villain rather than the actions themselves. You honestly think Ridley would be a step up from Ganondorf if he had the same goal of enslaving the entire world?

I am thinking more on intentions. Somehow a villain who at least knows what he does is villainous and is doing it for the lulz pretty much (Joker, Carnage, etc) seems to be less evil and more animalistic. What creates a villain who really makes my skin crawls if that they believe they are the hero in their story and that their actions are just (Emperor Palpatine, Lex Luthor, Dr Doom, Magneto, Etc)

You may catch Joker on a good day and he may spare you, but if you get between Lex and something he wants your death warrant is signed.

 

[Idon]

Regarding the main villian and our villians...do we have any confirmation that characters like Ganondorf, Ridley & Dark Samus aren't working with it?

Like sure we saw Bowser and King K. Rool but those two have played sports with Mario. I could totally see, at the very least, , & being bosses rather than corrupted allies. They'd still join after being defeated but I could see them not being one of the good guys initially.

You could justify their assistance as short-term help for the sake of their own selfish goals.
Ganondorf can't rule a kingdom of statues, Ridley can't terrorize a dead galaxy, and Dark Samus is just looking for more stuff to infect.

 

[Amiibo Doctor]

Why are we talking about Ganondorf being Ganondorf he's a cool dude.

Is it just me or is Amiibo For Glory the most obvious online mode ever?

 

[Will]

Depends on how American they are.
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Spoiler

*tries to bang a minor*
*steals the corpse of jesus mother****ing christ*

"yeah dude im totally in the right"

Make way for an actual villain who dindu nuffin

 

[Idon]

Spoiler

*tries to bang a minor*
*steals the corpse of jesus mother****ing christ*

"yeah dude im totally in the right"

Make way for an actual villain who dindu nuffin

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No shut up, justice tho.

 

[Deleted member]

I am thinking more on intentions. Somehow a villain who at least knows what he does is villainous and is doing it for the lulz pretty much (Joker, Carnage, etc) seems to be less evil and more animalistic. What creates a villain who really makes my skin crawls if that they believe they are the hero in their story and that their actions are just (Emperor Palpatine, Lex Luthor, Dr Doom, Magneto, Etc)

You may catch Joker on a good day and he may spare you, but if you get between Lex and something he wants your death warrant is signed.

I love Dr.Doom a lot.
He deserves either a TV Show with a big budget, or a movie with a similar length to Fellowship Of The Ring.

The Fox movies didn’t give the least bit of justice to the character.

 

[Royalty1702]

Kirby kills someone because they ruined his cake.
Kirby >>>>>> any villain, in terms of "evilness".

 

[Will]

No shut up, justice tho.

There is no justice when your kid's got super cancer incoming

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

You might have been confusing Geckos with Salamanders. They look sort of like Geckos/Lizards but are actually amphibians.

Yeah, I think that was the case...

 

[KingofKoopas]

I love Dr.Doom a lot.
He deserves either a TV Show with a big budget, or a movie with a similar length to Fellowship Of The Ring.

The Fox movies didn’t give the least bit of justice to the character.

**** that he deserves a full Solo Origin movie in the MCU with him being the next Thanos in the MCU.

 

[Amiibo Doctor]

Kirby kills someone because they ruined his cake.
Kirby >>>>>> any villain, in terms of "evilness".

Maybe it was good cake.

 

[Idon]

Honestly all I know of Dr. Doom is from his ridicc moveset in MvC3 and his legion of fans that said DR. DOOM DID NOTHING WRONG.

 

[Deleted member]

**** that he deserves a full Solo Origin movie in the MCU with him being the next Thanos in the MCU.

But it needs to be longer than any of the Lord Of The Rings movies.
And Reed Richards too.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Kirby kills someone because they ruined his cake.
Kirby >>>>>> any villain, in terms of "evilness".

Excuse me? Kirby clearly commits mass genocide because someone ruined his snack time by taking his treat. The Squeaks didn't return it out of guilt or gratitude, they did it out of fear

 

[KingofKoopas]

But it needs to be longer than any of the Lord Of The Rings movies.
And Reed Richards too.

Richards barely relates to Doom other than they went to college together, the worse thing the Fantastic 4 movies did was tie his origin with theirs.

 

[JustCallMeJon]

Off topic but...

Gametheory post an interesting Ultimate video discussing and theorizing the demographic of who will be likely be chosen based on gender, culture, countries, etc.

The demographic survey is voted by 500,000 people from different demographics!

Which character is favored by what demographic?

 

[Will]

Honestly all I know of Dr. Doom is from his ridicc moveset in MvC3 and his legion of fans that said DR. DOOM DID NOTHING WRONG.

I mean, Marvel literally said a universe where he wins brings the most good out of any other universe

Off topic but...

Gametheory post an interesting Ultimate video discussing and theorizing the demographic of who will be likely be chosen based on gender, culture, countries, etc.

The demographic survey is voted by 500,000 people from different demographics!

Which character is favored by what demographic?

That Waluigi edit is ****ing disgusting.

 

[KingofKoopas]

Off topic but...

Gametheory post an interesting Ultimate video discussing and theorizing the demographic of who will be likely be chosen based on gender, culture, countries, etc.

The demographic survey is voted by 500,000 people from different demographics!

Which character is favored by what demographic?

I think MatPat is an unoriginal clickbaiter. Fight me.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly all I know of Dr. Doom is from his ridicc moveset in MvC3 and his legion of fans that said DR. DOOM DID NOTHING WRONG.

He is overpowered in the comics, and in one a god from Wakanda saw that the only good future for humanity was the one where he ruled everything.
He also has a wonderful and tragic backstory, while also making his kingdom (Latveria) a wonderful and peaceful territory.

There’s one thing to note doh: he hates Reed Richards (Mr.Fantastic) so much, that he could even do dumb stuff just to rise over him. Most of the time it fails.

Richards barely relates to Doom other than they went to college together, the worse thing the Fantastic 4 movies did was tie his origin with theirs.

True.
But it is important to note the reason his plans ends up failing most of the time: Richards and the wish of Doom to succeed over him.

But yeah, don’t send him to space with the First Family. That is just dumb.

 

[Idon]

He is overpowered in the comics, and in one a god from Wakanda saw that the only good future for humanity was the one where he ruled everything.
He also has a wonderful and tragic backstory, while also making his kingdom (Latveria) a wonderful and peaceful territory.

There’s one thing to note doh: he hates Reed Richards (Mr.Fantastic) so much, that he could even do dumb stuff just to rise over him. Most of the time it fails.

Sounds like they justified his actions a little too well and he's a good guy that happens to be a ****.

 

[beans]

Kirby is Chaotic Neutral most of the time.
And is Chaotic Against-Anything-In-His-Path whenever someone takes his food.
Lil' dude jumps to conclusions too, Dedede was doing nothing in Squak Squad and Kirby when his food got stolen broke in and gave him a beating. Dynablade was just feeding her kids and Kirby went there and suplexed'er off the mountain.
Waddle Dee is the true criminal mastermind. He stole Kirby's cake and made it so Kirby went after Dedede to make him Dededead. He also put on a hat and joined Meta Knight's council (so he wasnt on the list to fight) in Super Star.
Waddle Dee is the true villain of Kirby. Dark Matter is merely the crumble of cake in his plate.

 

[FreeFox]

I think MatPat is an unoriginal clickbaiter. Fight me.

I would add that he just speaks fast to try to keep you off balance and not realize he is just (pardon the word) bull****ing his way into believing his theory. He doesnt do enough research and most of his theories are convoluted, lazy and poorly thought out.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm gonna make a bit of a crazy bet and say that come 2019, we aren't gonna get any news on Smash @ E3. I'm starting to feel the event NOW really isn't worth plopping big announcements as it did back then, especially with the news that Sony straight up isn't even gonna be there at ALL. No pre-recorded presentation, they just aren't there at all.

I'm gonna bet the only "event" that we'll have Smash news will be EVO. Everywhere else most likely in Directs. Hopefully the VGAs might have one.

 

[Deleted member]

Sounds like they justified his actions a little too well and he's a good guy that happens to be a ****.

Kind of, yeah.

In fact, he is actually under the identity of the Infamous Iron Man to change the way the world looks at him.

This was a result of the reboot of Earth 616 during the Secret Wars, done by Richards to stop the conflict. He took the chance to give Doom at last the opportunity to become what he wanted to be: someone who could save the world with more ease.


I suggest to read Marvel 2 in 1: this comic series explains the things that Doom, the Thing and the Human Torch did some time after the Secret Wars, and also explains some unknown stuff about the things that were not so clear about the Fantastic Four during them.

 

[Will]

Sounds like they justified his actions a little too well and he's a good guy that happens to be a ****.

Wasn't Doom playing Iron Man for a certain time while Stark got a coma from Captain Marvel?

 

[Deleted member]

Wasn't Doom playing Iron Man for a certain time while Stark got a coma from Captain Marvel?

He still is.
And i find it good enough.

 

[Will]

He still is.
And i find it good enough.

I thought Stark was already out of comaville

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Not trying to be rude, but when did this thread become Marvelboards?
This a thread to discuss Smash Ultimate, Is it not?

 

[Deleted member]

I thought Stark was already out of comaville

I haven’t read the recent Iron Man comics yet.
But if Doom is still the Infamous Iron Man, i guess that he created a new armour.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Since I've never done this before I suppose I'll go ahead and rank how hyped I am for all the new characters.

1. King K. Rool - He's finally here (performing for you)! But seriously, I've been campaigning for this guy since Brawl. I've always felt that he'd fit perfectly in the world of Smash, and our patience has finally been rewarded. Honestly, it's still hard to believe he's here. And he looks just like I'd always wanted - the Blunderbuss, crown toss, and helicopter pack. He's perfectly crafted.
2. Inkling - I love the world and characters of Splatoon, and with their recent surge in popularity, there was no doubt they'd show up - but honestly, even though I expected them, they're translated directly from Splatoon, and that makes me excited.
3. Simon - Castlevania had a big impact on classic gaming, and the character is once again translated beautifully from their home series. His reach has got me excited and it makes me ready to fight once again.
4. Ridley - I'm still in the camp of "he's too big" and that they had to sacrifice a bit of the character to make it work, but damn, does he look menacing. He clashes hard with most of the cast - and honestly, it fits the sadistic villain he is fantastically. He deserves the slot.
5. Incineroar - I may have preferred Decidueye, but the really cool wrestling motif makes me excited for him.
6. Isabelle - I still don't want her in the game, but that's only because she's too cute to hurt. That said, I like her alternate take on Villager's moveset. Especially with the fishing rod, that always felt missing on Villager.
7. Daisy - I like Daisy's spunky personality, even if I'm not the biggest fan of Peach's playstyle.
8. Ken - I like Ryu in Smash, and it's cool that they gave Ken some of his own moves instead of making him a direct copy.
9. Richter - I wish Richter would have gotten the same treatment Ken did, but I like what I've seen of Simon's moveset, so I'm sure I'll be fine with Richter too.
10. Dark Samus - I'm not a big fan of Samus' playstyle, so... eh.
11. Chrom - I really don't think he adds much that Roy and Lucina didn't already do, and I've already explained my problems with so many Fire Emblem characters.
12. Seriously, screw this. There are so many characters who really deserve the slot more than a generic enemy that in his own series doesn't do anything but chomp.

 

[Will]

I haven’t read the recent Iron Man comics yet.
But if Doom is still the Infamous Iron Man, i guess that he created a new armour.

Meh, modern Marvel is weird. It just got done with Asian Hulk being done being Asian Hulk and now he's just green asian man.

 

[Diem]

I mentioned this last week, but given the current discussion, I figure it's worth bringing up again.

It's all but confirmed that the cutscene we saw two weeks ago for World of Light/Spirits is cut down for the Direct. If you watch the very end of the trailer, you can see a shot of Galleem that is not present in the cinematic earlier in the trailer. In this shot, it seems like Galleem or the Master Hands are shooting out red lasers, which definitely didn't happen in the famous scene in the beginning of the trailer.

My theory is that before everyone gets blasted, there will be some scenes where the cast is fighting some of the Master Hands (sort of fulfilling how Marth said they'd each need to take down about 10), and this will include some of the characters we didn't see more closely in the trailer shown in the Direct. Mario, Luigi, Peach, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Dedede, Meta Knight, Yoshi, Ness, Ike, R.O.B., Ryu, Cloud, Mega Man, etc., may all be shown in some capacity. Either before or during the "Everyone Is Dead" attack.

Whether or not the Metroid villains are still present... that'll be interesting to see. Ridley and Dark Samus are much darker villains than Bowser and K. Rool, and likely wouldn't cooperate with everyone else. Even Ganondorf worked with Link and Zelda when Tabuu was a threat. But Ridley's a psychopath, and Dark Samus was on track to take over the universe just as much as Galleem did.

 

[Will]

9. Richter - I wish Richter would have gotten the same treatment Ken did

You realize most of Simon's moveset comes from Richter, right?

 

[Deleted member]

I mentioned this last week, but given the current discussion, I figure it's worth bringing up again.

It's all but confirmed that the cutscene we saw two weeks ago for World of Light/Spirits is cut down for the Direct. If you watch the very end of the trailer, you can see a shot of Galleem that is not present in the cinematic earlier in the trailer. In this shot, it seems like Galleem or the Master Hands are shooting out red lasers, which definitely didn't happen in the famous scene in the beginning of the trailer.

My theory is that before everyone gets blasted, there will be some scenes where the cast is fighting some of the Master Hands (sort of fulfilling how Marth said they'd each need to take down about 10), and this will include some of the characters we didn't see more closely in the trailer shown in the Direct. Mario, Luigi, Peach, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Dedede, Meta Knight, Yoshi, Ness, Ike, R.O.B., Ryu, Cloud, Mega Man, etc., may all be shown in some capacity. Either before or during the "Everyone Is Dead" attack.

Whether or not the Metroid villains are still present... that'll be interesting to see. Ridley and Dark Samus are much darker villains than Bowser and K. Rool, and likely wouldn't cooperate with everyone else. Even Ganondorf worked with Link and Zelda when Tabuu was a threat. But Ridley's a psychopath, and Dark Samus was on track to take over the universe just as much as Galleem did.

Dark Samus would even try to infect every fighter present.
Ridley would kill a lot of stuff, that’s for sure.

 

[MainJPW]

“Sonic’s alts are all a shade of blue”

I dunno about y’all but this doesn’t look like a shade of blue to me.

Spoiler

It’s black as the ace of spades!