Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[ClaTheBae]

Unfortunately Smashboard's image sharing is borked so we can only see the blonde horn girl with the red bikini and transparent shirt.

That's all I needed to see

 

[Deleted member]

Can we stop with Hitagi already?

I can't believe he's getting entertained this much.

''But he leaked a...""

I don't care.

He's also countering things that Verge has heard now and it's just...

Why are you guys entertaining him so much?

Personally, I’m entertaining him because it’s entertaining.

 

[Potato_]

Why the hell would they report on a 10-year old quote

What the **** kind of journalism is this

The type of journalism where people just blindly post articles without actually reading them.

I even saw PushDustin post the link, only bothering to correct that it was from 10 years ago and take down the tweet the day after. Which is surprising considering he's the one always saying to check the source and such, and typically he's better with this stuff than the average Nintendo news site.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Because he is...genuinely a reputable leaker???
Also what is he countering that Verge has said?

But not for Smash or any Bandai Namco game or Nintendo game.

So he has no ground to stand on here.

Verge and other insiders have legit left the impression their list of Square characters DOES include Geno.

Verge legit said ''It's not to say I haven't heard the name Geno" or something similar.

Hitagi is the only one saying 'No Geno."

He also is just saying insane out there **** none of you should be entertaining. Katalina? No. A roster of DLC people will love? But de-confirming literally every fan community? How about this Spirits comment which is just dumb.

Nintendo and Sakurai: Guess we can't add this character they have a picture in the game.

 

[Deleted member]

Can we stop with Hitagi already?

I can't believe he's getting entertained this much.

''But he leaked a...""

I don't care.

He's also countering things that Verge has heard now and it's just...

Why are you guys entertaining him so much?

This is almost exactly word for word what people said in regards to Verge before the Final Direct silenced all doubt.

Just saying.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

This is almost exactly word for word what people said in regards to Verge before the Final Direct silenced all doubt.

Just saying.

Yeah but Verge was still sensible **** he was saying.

People only doubted him because it wasn't what they wanted.

This just....none of it legit makes logical sense. It's all coming across as someone who knows he got stuff right and now just likes the attention the Smash community will give him.

Because we're a feverish peckish bunch of individuals.

 

[TheCJBrine]

The only issue I have with the 'Spirits are just like trophies, and Mewtwo and Lucas proved those don't deconfirm DLC!' mindset is that Mewtwo and Lucas were veterans, we have yet to see a newcomer that's already represented in the game in some fashion.

To be fair there's Chrom's Mii Costume and Robin's Final Smash; while he may be an echo, Sakurai seems to still see echoes as newcomers, just easier to make and a way to get some extra fan-wants in the base-game.

Plus supposedly Nintendo is deciding the characters, at least asking Sakurai if he can make certain ones work or they gave him a list, and he may have decided on some that happened to be Spirits anyway. I think Nintendo may also be "better" at character-choosing than some people give them credit for, based on what they've been doing with the Switch (supposedly they're listening to fans), but of course this is as hypothetical as everything else.

 

[Luigi The President]

But not for Smash or any Bandai Namco game or Nintendo game.

So he has no ground to stand on here.

Verge and other insiders have legit left the impression their list of Square characters DOES include Geno.

Verge legit said ''It's not say I haven't heard the name Geno" or something similar.

Hitagi is the only one saying 'No Geno."

He also is just saying insane out there **** none of you should be entertaining. Katalina? No. A roster of DLC people will love? But de-confirming literally every fan community? How about this Spirits comment which is just dumb.

Nintendo and Sakurai: Guess we can't add this character they have a picture in the game.

Who are the other insiders you speak of?

Verge actually has explicitly mentioned Geno twice now I don't believe he's done the same for any other Squenix rep. And you forgot the context of that quote. "Squenix probably doesn't take leaks with Geno as seriously because they know everyone expects him...not to say Geno isn't on my list". Not confirming or deconfirming Geno to be on his list, as this is his opinion, but the context is essential.

I'm willing to entertain Katalina after we got a Piranha Plant. Smash Bros continues to shock me whether it be good or bad. And I understand the situations vastly different but my point is I'm not gonna throw out any leak because of a specific character on it if it's a gaming character who's company has at least a semblance of a connection with Nintendo.

Also a Spirit is far more than a picture.

 

[Starbound]

Saying a Spirit couldn't also be playable is saying Sakurai is going to skip making them playable because oh no, there's already a JPEG of them in the game! I guess we have to toss out hundreds of ideas now...

If a preexisting, highly detailed 3D model wasn't enough to dissuade Sakurai, I highly doubt a gacha JPEG will.

That's not really the argument.

Sakurai says Spirits mode is a way to incorporate fighters not in the game.

We also know DLC characters were decided as part of the project plan, and they will be added as fighters post-launch.

If they know the characters who are going to be fighters, they aren't going to include them in the mode designed to simulate playing as them.

Smash 4 DLC is entirely different because those characters were planned after the game launched. But trophies were never a disconfirmation in that game anyway.

 

[Idon]

Ah rip

uhhh

here

Spoiler

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https://gbf.wiki/File:Threo_Eternal's_Summer_Vacation.png
https://gbf.wiki/File:Hallessena_C.png
https://gbf.wiki/File:CagliostroIdol.png

Hmm, Ilsa appeals to my degenerate tastes the most so I nominate her.

 

[UserKev]

Isnt this the forum where people get upset if their fictional character doesnt make it to the playable roster of a videogame? AKA the place where people get mad when a character they dont like makes it?

Honestly, if my favorite character has a badass style of defense and design, you effin right I'm going to be upset he/she isn't playable, bruh. I need to feel badass when I want to get away from reality.

 

[Nekoo]

But not for Smash or any Bandai Namco game or Nintendo game.

So he has no ground to stand on here.

Verge and other insiders have legit left the impression their list of Square characters DOES include Geno.

Verge legit said ''It's not say I haven't heard the name Geno" or something similar.

Hitagi is the only one saying 'No Geno."

You will be surprised to learn that he literally said he didn't deconfirm any Square-Enix characters, he just can't say he heard about them to not ruin his source.
Which is words for words what Vergeben is doing.

Also...No? No one ever gave the impression that Geno was on Any list, or others characters for that matters.
The only things I can tell you, and for a fact I know is that there is two Dragon Quest names out there.
DQ is literrally the only series we can say is on that list, and it's mostly because of the numbers of characters possible on said series.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Spawnwave for one. He's directly far more reliable than Hitagi. If we believe him? Sora is our Square rep.

Yet Hitagi has essentially said ''Yeah no Sora either."

The only person he lines up with for his Square rep info is that other guy saying it's probably a Dragon Quest rep.

I just don't trust Hitagi as far as I can throw him until he actually gets something right about a Nintendo game or this game's DLC cycle.

 

[Starbound]

Can we stop with Hitagi already?

I can't believe he's getting entertained this much.

''But he leaked a...""

I don't care.

He's also countering things that Verge has heard now and it's just...

Why are you guys entertaining him so much?

1. There's nothing else worth talking about at this point.
2. Word of God says to entertain him so we're following orders
3. anime girls

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Ah rip

uhhh

here

Spoiler

https://gbf.wiki/File:Ilsa_B.png
https://gbf.wiki/File:Threo_Eternal's_Summer_Vacation.png
https://gbf.wiki/File:Hallessena_C.png
https://gbf.wiki/File:CagliostroIdol.png

Last one. Its more cute.

 

[Luigi The President]

Spawnwave for one. He's directly far more reliable than Hitagi. If we believe him? Sora is our Square rep.

Yet Hitagi has essentially said ''Yeah no Sora either."

The only person he lines up with for his Square rep info is that other guy saying it's probably a Dragon Quest rep.

I just don't trust Hitagi as far as I can throw him until he actually gets something right about a Nintendo game or this game's DLC cycle.

Spawn has only been predicting Sora. Nothing like "well my sources say..." just him personally speculating Sora to be in.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I will say I remember y'all saying Spawn Wave was saying Sora and now it's as if he doesn't matter.

We also know DLC characters were decided as part of the project plan, and they will be added as fighters post-launch.

That wasn't really confirmed; tbh it could've just been that they planned DLC if they planned anything like it all during the project plan, from Sakurai's tweets it sounds like they just finished the character lineup in the past few months or so at most.

 

[Cosmic77]

Well, regardless of how Hitagi's credibility plays out, I'm not setting myself up for a potential repeat of Loz18. Verge apparently thought Loz credible enough to the point where he PM'd him, and how did that turn out?

Best to take his words with a grain of salt.

 

[Luigi The President]

That's not really the argument.

Sakurai says Spirits mode is a way to incorporate fighters not in the game.

We also know DLC characters were decided as part of the project plan, and they will be added as fighters post-launch.

If they know the characters who are going to be fighters, they aren't going to include them in the mode designed to simulate playing as them.

Smash 4 DLC is entirely different because those characters were planned after the game launched. But trophies were never a disconfirmation in that game anyway.

Misinfo
They JUST finished negotiation for characters
It would not have taken them 3 years to negotiate for 5 DLC characters

 

[Deleted member]

That's not really the argument.

Sakurai says Spirits mode is a way to incorporate fighters not in the game.

We also know DLC characters were decided as part of the project plan, and they will be added as fighters post-launch.

If they know the characters who are going to be fighters, they aren't going to include them in the mode designed to simulate playing as them.

Smash 4 DLC is entirely different because those characters were planned after the game launched. But trophies were never a disconfirmation in that game anyway.

K. Rool and Daisy also have Spirits, though.

Also, no one's explained to me why trophies, which were a ton more work, are the special case here. Sakurai did not specifically say "Spirits will never be fighters", so until he or Nintendo does, I'm still gonna entertain the idea of them potentally being playable plausible.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

You will be surprised to learn that he literally said he didn't deconfirm any Square-Enix characters, he just can't say he heard about them to not ruin his source.
Which is words for words what Vergeben is doing.

Also...No? No one ever gave the impression that Geno was on Any list, or others characters for that matters.
The only things I can tell you, and for a fact I know is that there is two Dragon Quest names out there.
DQ is literrally the only series we can say is on that list, and it's mostly because of the numbers of characters possible on said series.

To be fair I could be really mean and say something here, but I won't and just move on. It'd be better for PMs anyways.

All I'm saying and concluding with is. Ya'll are gonna entertain this man and look back and laugh, because he's clearly a leg puller and nothing more.

 

[KingofKoopas]

Like i been saying, lets not get fooled again and play it safe with Hitagi until he gives us something DECISIVE instead of going back and forth constantly. At this point youd think he confirmed Schrodigers Kat...alina.

 

[RyuhoFox]

Why the hell would they report on a 10-year old quote

What the **** kind of journalism is this

Have you actually seen what passes as games journalism these days? lol

 

[Deleted member]

2. Word of God says to entertain him so we're following orders

No God can control me.

 

[Luigi The President]

To be fair I could be really mean and say something here, but I won't and just move on. It'd be better for PMs anyways.

All I'm saying and concluding with is. Ya'll are gonna entertain this man and look back and laugh, because he's clearly a leg puller and nothing more.

Why are you ignoring my points? I'm not trying to appear hostile, seriously, but this guy is not Loz. He's leaked numerous things for other games.

 

[Nekoo]

To be fair I could be really mean and say something here, but I won't and just move on. It'd be better for PMs anyways.

...

What kind of reaction is this to just claim you wanna say something means to someone?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Why are you ignoring my points? I'm not trying to appear hostile, seriously, but this guy is not Loz. He's leaked numerous things for other games.

He's LoZ for this game.

Just because you go **** right about another game or game series does mean your info about another is indeed correct.

That's now it works. That's now how any of this works.

 

[okamifire]

The biggest red flag that I get from reading Hitagi's posts are that they're all "I know more but can't talk about it right now". Like... everything. (Everything but Steve.) If something gets officially released that lines up with what they're saying, maybe I'll start reading more into them. I know they have leaked other game information before, but as was mentioned, I haven't seen anything Smash related from them that wasn't from someone else first.

So yeah, I'm a bit skeptic. (Is it because I'm rooting for Banjo over Steve? Yeah probably, but taken at face value, "I can't say rn" is a crappy thing to say. Because like, there's a time where it is appropriate to leak something? Right.)

If they're right, I'll take the L, but it all just seems too indecisive.

 

[Luigi The President]

I keep thinking to myself "I may actually hold off on buying the season pass" but if this guy is right we're getting

Steve, one of my most wanted who I love a lot and have very fond memories of the game he's from
A Bamco rep...if it's Heihachi, I am IN. I love that guy. Anyone else will be fun I'm sure.
Katalina...who is cute and who I actually like a lot. Call me part of the problem I guess.
And 2 others who we know nothing about. This is epic.

 

[Potato_]

On the Spirits thing, we just have to wait until release and see if Piranha Plant has a spirit at all.

If he does? Hooray Spirits don't deconfirm characters.

If he doesn't? Then we have A LOT of characters to cross off the list.

 

[Starbound]

Misinfo
They JUST finished negotiation for characters
It would not have taken them 3 years to negotiate for 5 DLC characters

ooooo

Okay I retract my statement then.

This is the first I've heard that though. Do you have a source for that?

K. Rool and Daisy also have Spirits, though.

Also, no one's explained to me why trophies, which were a ton more work, are the special case here. Sakurai did not specifically say "Spirits will never be fighters", so until he or Nintendo does, I'm still gonna entertain the idea of them potentally being playable plausible.

That's Kaptain K. Rool which is a spirit and is different from King K. Rool as the fighter.

And the Daisy spirit is literally called a fighter spirit unlike the trophies for NPCs.

 

[ClaTheBae]

I've made it a point to only consistently trust what Vergeben's sources say. Not saying Hitagi is wrong or not credible, but until Vergeben says, "Yes, this is coming" then I'm not gonna put much faith into it

 

[KingofKoopas]

I keep thinking to myself "I may actually hold off on buying the season pass" but if this guy is right we're getting

Steve, one of my most wanted who I love a lot and have very fond memories of the game he's from
A Bamco rep...if it's Heihachi, I am IN. I love that guy. Anyone else will be fun I'm sure.
Katalina...who is cute and who I actually like a lot. Call me part of the problem I guess.
And 2 others who we know nothing about. This is epic.

Ok. You are Part of the problem. (youre not wrong though)

 

[Deleted member]

The biggest red flag that I get from reading Hitagi's posts are that they're all "I know more but can't talk about it right now". Like... everything. (Everything but Steve.) If something gets officially released that lines up with what they're saying, maybe I'll start reading more into them. I know they have leaked other game information before, but as was mentioned, I haven't seen anything Smash related from them that wasn't from someone else first.

So yeah, I'm a bit skeptic. (Is it because I'm rooting for Banjo over Steve? Yeah probably, but taken at face value, "I can't say rn" is a crappy thing to say. Because like, there's a time where it is appropriate to leak something? Right.)

If they're right, I'll take the L, but it all just seems too indecisive.

Being more serious, these are essentially my thoughts. I think it’s worth looking at what he says, but for now I’m taking with like, 9 grains of salt.

 

[Luigi The President]

He's LoZ for this game.

Just because you go **** right about another game or game series does mean your info about another is indeed correct.

That's now it works. That's now how any of this works.

I'm not implying that....but he's objectively a different case from Loz, who leaked legit one thing which was some E3 details...Hitagi has leaked numerous other things which means he has sources in the industry. I don't think Hitagi's 100% truthful, dude's contradicted himself numerous times, but it's very different.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

...

What kind of reaction is this to just claim you wanna say something means to someone?

Just PM me if you wanna continue the conversation that's all I'll say.

To be fair you've seemed like you've had nothing but pure grade A beef with me for no reason the past few days, so it might just me being stand offish with you but yeah PM me if you want to talk.

 

[Starbound]

Also with the Hitagi AMA, when he says no to a character or concept, are we assuming he means "no this concept isn't in the game" or "no I have no idea"?

 

[Deleted member]

ooooo

Okay I retract my statement then.

This is the first I've heard that though. Do you have a source for that?


That's Kaptain K. Rool which is a spirit and is different from King K. Rool as the fighter.

And the Daisy spirit is literally called a fighter spirit unlike the trophies for NPCs.

That's still K. Rool.

Mewtwo and Lucas had both normal and fighter trophies. Why are Spirits now a special case?

 

[FreeFox]

Can we stop with Hitagi already?

I can't believe he's getting entertained this much.

''But he leaked a...""

I don't care.

He's also countering things that Verge has heard now and it's just...

Why are you guys entertaining him so much?

Well, this is the speculation thread for DLC. Verge has been quiet. We havent got any other leads unless some credible leak appears.

Yeah but Verge was still sensible **** he was saying.

People only doubted him because it wasn't what they wanted.

This just....none of it legit makes logical sense. It's all coming across as someone who knows he got stuff right and now just likes the attention the Smash community will give him.

Because we're a feverish peckish bunch of individuals.

Sensible? Nobody called the box theory or Kencineroar sensible. People expected a big reveal note to end this.

"No way, there are ending this cycle with a pokemon almost nobody likes. He is obviously leak bait since people expect a pokemon. The grinch leak makes more sense. Its imposible that Nintendo leaked the number of characters. No way, we have only two characters left"

 

[Luigi The President]

ooooo

Okay I retract my statement then.

This is the first I've heard that though. Do you have a source for that?


That's Kaptain K. Rool which is a spirit and is different from King K. Rool as the fighter.

And the Daisy spirit is literally called a fighter spirit unlike the trophies for NPCs.

I mean...Nintendo literally stated this. Sakurai specifically said negotiations have ended for fighters like a week ago. It's why we've been talking about Nintendo selecting the roster for the past week. Source

Also with the Hitagi AMA, when he says no to a character or concept, are we assuming he means "no this concept isn't in the game" or "no I have no idea"?

With the majority of cases he simply means "my sources have not told me about this character"