Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Noipoi]

Honestly Yoshi's doing pretty good for himself, especially compared to other series (cries in F Zero).
I'm not in the Yoshi fan base so I don't know if this is common of them, but I don't see much to complain about.

 

[Chandeelure]

I'm going to believe this only because it has a playable Waddle Dee.

https://smashboards.com/threads/info-leak-on-big-titles.463631/

 

[Paperchampion23]

Ignoring those question would have raised flag since he's been answering all of them.
And yup. It's to protect his sources, and the best he can tell us is that he heard about DQ characters.

However, he is also being sure. Spirit are spirit, and spirit doesn't have a chance to be DLC, it's not speculation from his part.






And asked about AT/Mii costumes

My question is, HOW does he know this. I seriously doubt him or any of his sources are part of the development team so far as to know who CANT be in the game. When people deconfirm characters by establishing rules like "Spirits can't be DLC", it's exactly the same logic people posed when Mewtwo and Lucas were found as Trophies in Smash 4.

I really think he's putting his own personal opinion into his leaks. "They can't be this because I say they can't and it makes sense to me"

 

[Noipoi]

Folks, we've been looking at it all wrong.

The reason no one can decide on a "Square rep" is because it's not a Squeenix repo but rather a literal Square Rep.

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[Starbound]

Just because a series isn't popular in Smash speculation doesn't mean the series itself isn't popular.

I agree but that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying RH isn't as big a deal as it's made out to be.

 

[Deleted member]

On that bit about Spirits...



That is all.

 

[TheCJBrine]

So I'm just gonna assume that, based on Hitagi's info, that only Steve, SE, and Namco are confirmed. He seems to not even be sure about Granblue.

People seem to say different things about who the SE character is, no one else mentioned Namco to my knowledge aside from Mystic saying Lloyd, and to be fair not even Steve is 100%.

I wouldn't say a Mii Costume disconfirms Geno, because Chrom's costume is back. As for if he is a Spirit, there might be some other art they could use for him but I'm not sure, I've just seen an SMRPG jigsaw puzzle and one other thing (I don't remember what it was). Plus it's not like Spirits are last-minute additions with DLC fresh on the mind, I'm getting tired of these disconfirmation theories.

 

[Luigi The President]

So I'm just gonna assume that, based on Hitagi's info, that only Steve, SE, and Namco are confirmed. He seems to not even be sure about Granblue.

People seem to say different things about who the SE character is, no one else mentioned Namco to my knowledge aside from Mystic saying Lloyd, and to be fair not even Steve is 100%.

I wouldn't say a Mii Costume disconfirms Geno, because Chrom's costume is back. As for if he is a Spirit, there might be some other art they could use for him but I'm not sure, I've just seen an SMRPG jigsaw puzzle and one other thing (I don't remember what it was).

He seems more confident in Katalina.
He himself explicitly has said that his only confirmed thing is Steve tho.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Boy! Y'all's series got nice and neatly wrapped up and Mother 3's translations are everywhere online if you actually wanna play it.
Ness and Lucas are both in Smash. You guys got it pretty good.

But it's not a pissing contest or anything. My point was acting like Yoshi has it bad at any real angle is absurd.

I agree... Mother is an amazing series... but it a concise trilogy.
I can understand being upset, but as far as Smash goes, there isnt a series other than Kid Icarus that has so well been represented, per game.

 

[Nekoo]

My question is, HOW does he know this. I seriously doubt him or any of his sources are part of the development team so far as to know who CANT be in the game. When people deconfirm characters by establishing rules like "Spirits can't be DLC", it's exactly the same logic people posed when Mewtwo and Lucas were found as Trophies in Smash 4.

I really think he's putting his own personal opinion into his leaks. "They can't be this because I say they can't and it makes sense to me"

How about the simple reasoning of "He probably know some of the DLC characters, or heard of potential candidate that are neither spirits or AT or Mii Costumes"?

I'm going to believe this only because it has a playable Waddle Dee.

https://smashboards.com/threads/info-leak-on-big-titles.463631/

Interesting but don't pay attention to it until stuff happens.

 

[Noipoi]

Omg guys

He's got a Championship belt

 

[Deleted member]

Saying a Spirit couldn't also be playable is saying Sakurai is going to skip making them playable because oh no, there's already a JPEG of them in the game! I guess we have to toss out hundreds of ideas now...

If a preexisting, highly detailed 3D model wasn't enough to dissuade Sakurai, I highly doubt a gacha JPEG will.

 

[Luigi The President]

Saying a Spirit couldn't also be playable is saying Sakurai is going to skip making them playable because oh no, there's already a JPEG of them in the game! I guess we have to toss out hundreds of ideas now...

If a preexisting, highly detailed 3D model wasn't enough to dissuade Sakurai, I highly doubt a gacha JPEG will.

Dude Hitagi is not going off of his speculation he's saying that based on his actual info

 

[Cosmic77]

Unless he actually knows all five DLC characters (or at the very least, knows all five come from an unrepresentated series), then I don't see how him saying Spirits deconfirm a character is anything more than an opinion.

Then again, Mipha, Bandana Dee, and Lycanroc are still missing in action, so maybe I should support this theory until one of them becomes a Spirit. Then I'll turn around and say it was stupid and meaningless.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Three weeks. Three more weeks.



I'd argue this game is incredibly different from the other smash games, purely due to "Everyone is here!"

This game had 4 years of dev time, but most of that went to making sure every vet came back. They wanted that to be the big selling point of this game, that nobody had to drop or learn new characters because literally everyone was back.

Because of this and obviously implementing Spirits/World of Light, there was much less time for newcomers. Whereas every other Smash before this one largely focused on newcomers, instead this Smash focused on characters coming back, big names especially such as Snake, Pokemon Trainer, and the third parties from Smash 4. This is clearly a huge tone shift from the older games.

I think it's completely fair for some people to feel disappointed in this, mainly because they wanted to see newer characters and new movesets, but of course you can't win everyone over. That's why for the characters we DID get, they were either huge wants from the fans (Ridley, K.Rool) third parties with widespread appeal (Simon and Richter, Ken) and well known first parties (Isabelle, Incineroar). Echoes were just a bonus with the limited dev time they had to give something extra for the fans.

"Everyone Is Here" really changed everything for this game, and that's what largely made it different from previous entries.

I think we are in the era of the platform game.
Meaning, I anticipate at least 2-4 years of DLC.
I'm also an optimistic pup, so what do I know.

 

[Flyboy]

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Look originally it was a picture of O from Puyo Puyo Tetris to make a joke about a Tetrimino as a rep but the image being broken is a pretty good punchline too.

 

[FreeFox]

Honestly Yoshi's doing pretty good for himself, especially compared to other series (cries in F Zero).
I'm not in the Yoshi fan base so I don't know if this is common of them, but I don't see much to complain about.

Yeah, just think how sad it must be that we could have had an F zero game for the wii u. Sources:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-06-23-nintendo-asked-burnout-dev-to-make-wii-u-f-zero
www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/06/exclusive_we_almost_got_a_wii_u_f-zero_created_by_burnout_studio_criterion

Being a paper mario fan is painful in a different way. I wonder why they havent returned the series to basics like Mario Party.

 

[TheCJBrine]

He seems more confident in Katalina.
He himself explicitly has said that his only confirmed thing is Steve tho.

Sounds alright.

I'm just sayin', - while I myself don't have sources for this - I've seen users mention people saying Geno, people saying Banjo, Spawn Wave was fed info for the Direct but nothing about DLC...I don't know.

It's kinda confusing. I feel like just waiting for official announcements, yet somehow speculation always grabs my interest.

imo about Spirits: if Wii Fit Trainer's poses can exist as equip-able Spirits, they may well add anyone they want and rename their pre-existing Spirit if it's a name problem.

 

[Deleted member]

Dude Hitagi is not going off of his speculation he's saying that based on his actual info

I'm not one to take these types 100% unquestionably, especially when Hitagi hasn't even leaked anything credible about Smash yet that has come to fruition.

Only reason people are paying them any attention is because Verge said "Well, maybe".

 

[Luigi The President]

I'm not one to take these types 100% unquestionably, especially when Hitagi hasn't even leaked anything credible about Smash yet that has come to fruition.

Only reason people are paying them any attention is because Verge said "Well, maybe".

Which you shouldn't
But I am saying
The reason we are discussing spirits as not being playable
Is due to what Hitagi is saying
I'm not implying anything else

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

The only issue I have with the 'Spirits are just like trophies, and Mewtwo and Lucas proved those don't deconfirm DLC!' mindset is that Mewtwo and Lucas were veterans, we have yet to see a newcomer that's already represented in the game in some fashion.

I mean, we really don't know, we have no way of knowing for sure, we are in what is basically an 'anything can happen' scenario (minus manga characters, thank you for doubling down Sakurai) because we can't definitively say anything for sure, we can only really assume that it's unlikely an Assist or Spirit would get upgraded to playable later.

 

[Chandeelure]

Interesting but don't pay attention to it until stuff happens.

Too late, I already printed it, it's on my wall now.

 

[Noipoi]

Yeah, just think how sad it must be that we could have had an F zero game for the wii u. Sources:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-06-23-nintendo-asked-burnout-dev-to-make-wii-u-f-zero
www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/06/exclusive_we_almost_got_a_wii_u_f-zero_created_by_burnout_studio_criterion

Being a paper mario fan is painful in a different way. I wonder why they havent returned the series to basics like Mario Party.

We still haven't gotten a Paper Mario game on the Switch, and Switch games have been pretty good at listening to fans (ignoring a few examples )
Maybe, just maybe, now is the time for the real Paper Mario to return!

Or maybe i'm too optimistic.

 

[Luigi The President]

The only issue I have with the 'Spirits are just like trophies, and Mewtwo and Lucas proved those don't deconfirm DLC!' mindset is that Mewtwo and Lucas were veterans, we have yet to see a newcomer that's already represented in the game in some fashion.

I mean, we really don't know, we have no way of knowing for sure, we are in what is basically an 'anything can happen' scenario (minus manga characters, thank you for doubling down Sakurai) because we can't definitively say anything for sure, we can only really assume that it's unlikely an Assist or Spirit would get upgraded to playable later.

He didn't double down. What you're talking about is the same 10 year old quote.

 

[Deleted member]

Which you shouldn't
But I am saying
The reason we are discussing spirits as not being playable
Is due to what Hitagi is saying
I'm not implying anything else

That's fine, I'm just sharing my opinion on the matter. I see no reason why Sakurai would exclude hundreds of options just because they have some JPEGs in the game already. Trophies are 10 times more work and they didn't, so why should spirits?

 

[Nekoo]

I'm not one to take these types 100% unquestionably, especially when Hitagi hasn't even leaked anything credible about Smash yet that has come to fruition.

Only reason people are paying them any attention is because Verge said "Well, maybe".

The difference is that now both Him AND Vergeben are working TOGETHER as of now to get the DLC list. It's not just Hitagi alone, if what he say is true, he and Vergeben are on the "verge" of getting all of the roster

 

[Luigi The President]

That's fine, I'm just sharing my opinion on the matter. I see no reason why Sakurai would exclude hundreds of options just because they have some JPEGs in the game already. Trophies are 10 times more work and they didn't, so why should spirits?

With 5 DLC characters I don't expect any Spirit character tbh

 

[Royalty1702]

I'm going to believe this only because it has a playable Waddle Dee.

https://smashboards.com/threads/info-leak-on-big-titles.463631/

Besides the fact that I have no realistic reason to believe, I'd rather go big or go home when it comes to the Dee.

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

He didn't double down. What you're talking about is the same 10 year old quote.

Why the hell would they report on a 10-year old quote

What the **** kind of journalism is this

 

[Cosmic77]

Honestly, Katalina is the only way I'll start taking Hitagi seriously. Absolutely no one would've predicted her, and it sounds like Hitagi got info on her inclusion before Verge even had an idea she'd be a contender.

Until then, his predictions are just as good as ours.

 

[Luigi The President]

The difference is that now both Him AND Vergeben are working TOGETHER as of now to get the DLC list. It's not just Hitagi alone, if what he say is true, he and Vergeben are on the "verge" of getting all of the roster

Which is insane to me if they just finalized negotiations like a week ago.

 

[Potato_]

I think we are in the era of the platform game.
Meaning, I anticipate at least 2-4 years of DLC.
I'm also an optimistic pup, so what do I know.

Oh I hope so too. I really don't mind multiple season passes as long as the base game is something amazing, which Ultimate seems to be. Just more content that is ultimately optional.

As for the Hitagi stuff, I'm still waiting on Vergeben to come out with more info. Hitagi's still unproven when it comes to Smash, despite being an established leaker in other avenues. Vergeben so far has been 100% so I'm placing more confidence in him.

 

[Double K]

Oh yeah, what are the words on how Ridley plays at the moment? I'm curious.

Ah, I think I'm gonna set a avatar
One of these

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Also can't decide halp

 

[Deleted member]

With 5 DLC characters I don't expect any Spirit character tbh

I'm not really taking any guesses as to who they are specifically, TBH. Maybe some of them are Spirits, maybe they aren't, who knows? The only thing I feel positive about is that the Granblue thing is most likely false and they aren't all gonna be 3rd party.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Can we stop with Hitagi already?

I can't believe he's getting entertained this much.

''But he leaked a...""

I don't care.

He's also countering things that Verge has heard now and it's just...

Why are you guys entertaining him so much?

 

[Double K]

Honestly, Katalina is the only way I'll start taking Hitagi seriously. Absolutely no one would've predicted her, and it sounds like Hitagi got info on her inclusion before Verge even had an idea she'd be a contender.

Until then, his predictions are just as good as ours.

A way to check for Hitagi's credibility would be to wait for the CygamesFes and GranblueFes at the end of December to see if Cygames announces a collab with ArcSys for a fighting game.

 

[Luigi The President]

Can we stop with Hitagi already?

I can't believe he's getting entertained this much.

''But he leaked a...""

I don't care.

He's also countering things that Verge has heard now and it's just...

Why are you guys entertaining him so much?

Because he is...genuinely a reputable leaker???
Also what is he countering that Verge has said?

 

[Idon]

Oh yeah, what are the words on how Ridley plays at the moment? I'm curious.



Also can't decide halp

Unfortunately Smashboard's image sharing is borked so we can only see the blonde horn girl with the red bikini and transparent shirt.

 

[ClaTheBae]

I had a dream that last night that Koopa Kid and Jotaro were confirmed DLC and believe me when I say I was pissed when I woke up

 

[Double K]

Unfortunately Smashboard's image sharing is borked so we can only see the blonde horn girl with the red bikini and transparent shirt.

Ah rip

uhhh

here

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