Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[FreeFox]

Oh that. Honestly, I couldn’t think of a response. It’s just sad that some people can get that upset about a fictional character.

Isnt this the forum where people get upset if their fictional character doesnt make it to the playable roster of a videogame? AKA the place where people get mad when a character they dont like makes it?

 

[Raxxel]

In hindsight, K. Rool and Ridley's inclusions were never guaranteed now. Knowing that they made it in despite the odds makes them being here even sweeter.

 

[Slavic]

asking for a... friend, how do you prank?

also while I feel for Zin's Yoshi neglect at least he didn't get pushed out of the first 12 by an echo unlike my pride and joy

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly this newcomer line up is really one of the better ones.

all appear to modern, more casual audiences.

are fan favorites of their series

appeal to the hardcore Smash scene

There's something here for everyone!

Honestly, I fully believe this game's set of newcomers beats Smash 4's 10 to 1. A lot of Smash 4's choices felt super weird to me.

 

[Luigi The President]

asking for a... friend, how do you prank?

also while I feel for Zin's Yoshi neglect at least he didn't get pushed out of the first 12 by an echo unlike my pride and joy

I mean...I really am not trying to berate the guy. But I don't feel it.
Yoshi's got a thriving series with a new game coming out, amiibo, a constant stream of quality games, ports, appearances in every single Smash with numerous stages and trophies and enemies...but he isn't in a trailer? And that's the end of the world?
I hate to revive the topic. But it's just...absurd.

Not to go "well imagine being [x]" but do imagine being a Paper Mario fan lol.

 

[Double K]

Ah, I think I'm gonna set a avatar
One of these

Spoiler

Well that's literally Smash Tour

Yeah, but I mean make it the entire game.

 

[Luigi The President]

Ah, I think I'm gonna set a avatar
One of these

Spoiler

Yeah, but I mean make it the entire game.

From what I recall people enjoyed that...a lot less then they'd expect.
I'm sure they'd make it great tho.

 

[Slavic]

I mean...I really am not trying to berate the guy. But I don't feel it.
Yoshi's got a thriving series with a new game coming out, amiibo, a constant stream of quality games, ports, appearances in every single Smash with numerous stages and trophies and enemies...but he isn't in a trailer? And that's the end of the world?
I hate to revive the topic. But it's just...absurd.

Not to go "well imagine being [x]" but do imagine being a Paper Mario fan lol.

being a Jiggs fan is having one of your favs be the most requested cut and be shafted for SSE

in short, liking anything is disappointing apparently

 

[LetterO]

obscure characters from OBSCURE franchises had that much of a bigger chance because of that Grinch "leak" (GS, RH, SMRPG).

The RH fan in me is angered by this comparison. No offense to Geno and Isaac fans, but RH is on a much higher league in terms of popularity. It's not a dead or old franchise, and it's fairly popular in Japan.

 

[Luigi The President]

being a Jiggs fan is having one of your favs be the most requested cut and be shafted for SSE

Oh yeah I love little Jiggs. Got screwed over in Brawl. Luckily Ultimate's looking good for it. I think, haha

 

[Nekoo]

I'm not sure I'm understanding Nekoo.
He did explicitly say things about certain characters. And how he's heard nothing about them. Therefore implying they're not on the list.
Am I missing something? Sorry; I'm just confused.

Basically. There is some characters HE REALLY didn't heard anything about (exemple Layton/Banjo/Xenoblades). But also some others he ALSO did heard from his source, but never as a "confirmed choice" so he's not commenting/Being vague/Lying about them.

I'm being vague on purpose. I have heard a few of people's requests from my sources, but if I have literally heard nothing, I actually haven't ever heard their name ever pop up as a confirmed choice.

I.e. professor layton, banjo, xenoblade characters, and a few others are all characters i will just say are all characters I haven't heard from my sources. Other than that, no one has guessed a confirmed character in this thread.

For the square-Enix characters, he's been shooting down every names people asked him about not to deconfirm them, but because he can't say "yeah I head about that specifics names" he just play smart and say for now "Nothing"

I have heard about DQ characters but can't confirm if it's true or not

There's like a million DQ charaters. If i said I heard of them, but didn't state which one, and if the DQ are even confirmed to begin with, we're still at step 1.

I didn't disconfirm any SE reps though. I said couldn't say rn

Basically, He can say he heard of DQ characters because there more than 2 in his list. But for the others, he just can't say anything right now so he pass it as "I heard nothing" since saying he heard about said characters give it away that they're on their short list of 7 names, and put their sources in dangers.

 

[Noipoi]

Honestly, I fully believe this game's set of newcomers beats Smash 4's 10 to 1. A lot of Smash 4's choices felt super weird to me.

Sakurai was right off the heels of KI: Uprising. He wanted to show us his new babies.

I mean...I really am not trying to berate the guy. But I don't feel it.
Yoshi's got a thriving series with a new game coming out, amiibo, a constant stream of quality games, ports, appearances in every single Smash with numerous stages and trophies and enemies...but he isn't in a trailer? And that's the end of the world?
I hate to revive the topic. But it's just...absurd.

Not to go "well imagine being [x]" but do imagine being a Paper Mario fan lol.

I'm a Pokemon fan. I complain about some things but I know how good i've got it. I wouldn't get mad if Pikachu wasn't in a commercial.

 

[osby]

Honestly this newcomer line up is really one of the better ones.

all appeal to modern, more casual audiences.

are fan favorites of their series

appeal to boomers the hardcore Smash scene

There's something here for everyone!

I still would have liked more new franchises, though

 

[Luigi The President]

Basically. There is some characters HE REALLY didn't heard anything about (exemple Layton/Banjo/Xenoblades). But also some others he ALSO did heard from his source, but never as a "confirmed choice" so he's not commenting/Being vague/Lying about them.



For the square-Enix characters, he's been shooting down every names people asked him about not to deconfirm them, but because he can't say "yeah I head about that specifics names" he just play smart and say for now "Nothing"







Basically, He can say he heard of DQ characters because there more than 2 in his list. But for the others, he just can't say anything right now so he pass it as "I heard nothing" since saying he heard about said characters give it away that they're on their short list of 7 names, and put their sources in dangers.

Wouldn't it had been smarter to just ignore the posts about Geno, Sora, and all them?
But thank you. I get what you're saying. It's to protect his sources, then?

 

[Paperchampion23]

The RH fan in me is angered by this comparison. No offense to Geno and Isaac fans, but RH is on a much higher league in terms of popularity. It's not a dead or old franchise, and it's fairly popular in Japan.

Sorry, relative to worldwide. I grew up on Golden Sun and have never heard of RH before Smash 4 lol

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

As somebody whose main Smash growing up was Brawl, it's goddamn crazy to realize that after DLC this game will be almost double Brawl's 39-character roster. What a game.

 

[Deleted member]

I mean...I really am not trying to berate the guy. But I don't feel it.
Yoshi's got a thriving series with a new game coming out, amiibo, a constant stream of quality games, ports, appearances in every single Smash with numerous stages and trophies and enemies...but he isn't in a trailer? And that's the end of the world?
I hate to revive the topic. But it's just...absurd.

Not to go "well imagine being [x]" but do imagine being a Paper Mario fan lol.

I'll do you one better:

Imagine being a Mother fan.

 

[Noipoi]

I still would have liked more new franchises, though

Yeah me too but for what we got i'm pretty happy.

 

[Luigi The President]

I'll do you one better:

Imagine being a Mother fan.

Boy! Y'all's series got nice and neatly wrapped up and Mother 3's translations are everywhere online if you actually wanna play it.
Ness and Lucas are both in Smash. You guys got it pretty good.

But it's not a pissing contest or anything. My point was acting like Yoshi has it bad at any real angle is absurd.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Idk, its sales numbers would like to argue with you

Try to tell me Donkey Kong Country is not one of the most successful Nintendo IPs.
It's fifth after Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, and Wii Fit.

 

[FreeFox]

I mean...I really am not trying to berate the guy. But I don't feel it.
Yoshi's got a thriving series with a new game coming out, amiibo, a constant stream of quality games, ports, appearances in every single Smash with numerous stages and trophies and enemies...but he isn't in a trailer? And that's the end of the world?
I hate to revive the topic. But it's just...absurd.

Not to go "well imagine being [x]" but do imagine being a Paper Mario fan lol.

I totally agree. Some fans have it worse (I am a Paper Mario fan myself).

But may I point out that Yoshi is in fact part of the trailer?

 

[Paperchampion23]

I’m curious, do you guys think Smash Ultimate will be leaked like a lot of the recent games (i.e. Pokemon LGPE, Super Mario Party, etc) and while characters would not be the issue here (minus any possible data for dlc characters if the data isn’t no encrypted tightly?

if so, would we expect it at least a week before, or even 2+ weeks prior to the games launch?

i certainly do not want this, but seeing as a lot of games (big name or otherwise) are getting leaked, just thought i’d see what you guys thought.

Well yeah of course, but the most it can leak is single player content or hidden modes. Sakurai beat leakers by getting rid of the biggest thing they could leak: characters.

Unless somehow magically there is a secret character and we got bamboozled.

 

[Cosmic77]

I couldn't agree more. Honestly, it feels like most of the high expectations (before Grinch leak) came from . Smash speculation tend to romanticize those two a lot.

I think a lot of the blame falls on the ballot. As soon as Ridley was announced, people theorized that the entire list of newcomers would be fan favorites. Then K. Rool got announced, Sakurai tweeted that he got in because of the ballot, and people let their expectations get even further out of control. Then, to top it all off, we got a very believable leak with several fan favorites, and that all but guaranteed that we'd be disappointed when the real newcomers would be revealed.

I guess I shouldn't be too critical with people who expected more, because I definitely know I wouldn't have believed Ridley would get in. Still, I hope this goes to show that the first few characters don't represent the entire roster. It's not unusual for Nintendo to show off the most exciting newcomers first before moving on to the smaller reveals.

 

[Luigi The President]

I totally agree. Some fans have it worse (I am a Paper Mario fan myself).

But may I point out that Yoshi is in fact part of the trailer?

So...a big lol in the chat

 

[Nekoo]

Wouldn't it had been smarter to just ignore the posts about Geno, Sora, and all them?
But thank you. I get what you're saying. It's to protect his sources, then?

Ignoring those question would have raised flag since he's been answering all of them.
And yup. It's to protect his sources, and the best he can tell us is that he heard about DQ characters.

However, he is also being sure. Spirit are spirit, and spirit doesn't have a chance to be DLC, it's not speculation from his part.

Based on your personal opinion, do Spirit characters still have a chance to be DLC?

No

Do you have proof of that or are you just speculating?

No speculations. Spirits are spirits, not characters

And asked about AT/Mii costumes

Similar question, do Mii Costumes/AT have chances to be characters?

most likely not

 

[Paperchampion23]

As somebody whose main Smash growing up was Brawl, it's goddamn crazy to realize that after DLC this game will be almost double Brawl's 39-character roster. What a game.

It'll be more than double. 80 vs. 78

 

[Deleted member]

Boy! Y'all's series got nice and neatly wrapped up and Mother 3's translations are everywhere online if you actually wanna play it.
Ness and Lucas are both in Smash. You guys got it pretty good.

But it's not a pissing contest or anything. My point was acting like Yoshi has it bad at any real angle is absurd.

I was mainly goofin', lol. I agree though, Yoshi's been pretty good for a while now. Only semi-negative thing that happened was New Island, and that game wasn't even that bad.

 

[Starbound]

The RH fan in me is angered by this comparison. No offense to Geno and Isaac fans, but RH is on a much higher league in terms of popularity. It's not a dead or old franchise, and it's fairly popular in Japan.

Were you here before Gematsu leaked the Chorus Kids?

No one here had any idea who they were or their game until the leak.

I'm convinced the only reason they have as much fan support as they do is because the series is cut content from Smash 4.

 

[Double K]

Try to tell me Donkey Kong Country is not one of the most successful Nintendo IPs.
It's fifth after Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, and Wii Fit.

Nah, I'm talking Metroid.

 

[Luigi The President]

Ignoring those question would have raised flag since he's been answering all of them.
And yup. It's to protect his sources, and the best he can tell us is that he heard about DQ characters.

However, he is also being sure. Spirit are spirit, and spirit doesn't have a chance to be DLC, it's not speculation from his part.






And asked about AT/Mii costumes

Doesn't really shock me.
I feel like this inadvertently deconfirms Geno.

I am in hell.

 

[Potato_]

We need this game to come out soon.

Three weeks. Three more weeks.

Metroid and DK aren't obscure, though. DK especially is pretty big.

Honestly, this game is no different from any other Smash. People always expect too much out of this series, especially during the final reveals. Some people (myself included) assume characters are locks when nothing indicates that they are, and get upset when they aren't shown or if they get deconfirmed. Besides, the only people who get burned by these types of things are people hardcore into the speculation scene, which is very, very small compared to the total Smash Bros. player base.

I'd argue this game is incredibly different from the other smash games, purely due to "Everyone is here!"

This game had 4 years of dev time, but most of that went to making sure every vet came back. They wanted that to be the big selling point of this game, that nobody had to drop or learn new characters because literally everyone was back.

Because of this and obviously implementing Spirits/World of Light, there was much less time for newcomers. Whereas every other Smash before this one largely focused on newcomers, instead this Smash focused on characters coming back, big names especially such as Snake, Pokemon Trainer, and the third parties from Smash 4. This is clearly a huge tone shift from the older games.

I think it's completely fair for some people to feel disappointed in this, mainly because they wanted to see newer characters and new movesets, but of course you can't win everyone over. That's why for the characters we DID get, they were either huge wants from the fans (Ridley, K.Rool) third parties with widespread appeal (Simon and Richter, Ken) and well known first parties (Isabelle, Incineroar). Echoes were just a bonus with the limited dev time they had to give something extra for the fans.

"Everyone Is Here" really changed everything for this game, and that's what largely made it different from previous entries.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Boy! Y'all's series got nice and neatly wrapped up and Mother 3's translations are everywhere online if you actually wanna play it.
Ness and Lucas are both in Smash. You guys got it pretty good.

But it's not a pissing contest or anything. My point was acting like Yoshi has it bad at any real angle is absurd.

Porky and Kamek please. MOAR VILLAINS

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

I mean...I really am not trying to berate the guy. But I don't feel it.
Yoshi's got a thriving series with a new game coming out, amiibo, a constant stream of quality games, ports, appearances in every single Smash with numerous stages and trophies and enemies...but he isn't in a trailer? And that's the end of the world?
I hate to revive the topic. But it's just...absurd.

Not to go "well imagine being [x]" but do imagine being a Paper Mario fan lol.

Don't even get me started on being a Cloud Strife fan, a NiGHTS fan, an F-Zero fan, or a Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney fan on the edge here.
Yoshi has it made in comparison.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

RIP Spiderman chance's at being playable in Smash
And Stan Lee

There was a problem fetching the tweet

 

[Luigi The President]

RIP Spiderman chance's at being playable in Smash

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Did you just

 

[osby]

Were you here before Gematsu leaked the Chorus Kids?

No one here had any idea who they were or their game until the leak.

I'm convinced the only reason they have as much fan support as they do is because the series is cut content from Smash 4.

Just because a series isn't popular in Smash speculation doesn't mean the series itself isn't popular.

 

[Slavic]

I'll do you one better:

Imagine being a Mother fan.

okay but Smash is probably the only place being a Mother fan is a benefit; two playable characters, four stages of which three are incredibly good, loads of music, six characters across two Final Smashes, and any Mother 3 recognition. Just put Porky in pls

I'm just being facetious

 

[Double K]

okay but Smash is probably the only place being a Mother fan is a benefit; two playable characters, four stages of which three are incredibly good, loads of music, six characters across two Final Smashes, and any Mother 3 recognition. Just put Porky in pls

Put in a New Pork... City you say?

 

[Potato_]

Ignoring those question would have raised flag since he's been answering all of them.
And yup. It's to protect his sources, and the best he can tell us is that he heard about DQ characters.

However, he is also being sure. Spirit are spirit, and spirit doesn't have a chance to be DLC, it's not speculation from his part.






And asked about AT/Mii costumes

Dee chances rising

wait no he hasn't heard anything about Dee, ****

I wonder how he knows this, and if Vergeben thinks the same way.

 

[Flyboy]

Folks, we've been looking at it all wrong.

The reason no one can decide on a "Square rep" is because it's not a Squeenix repo but rather a literal Square Rep.