Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[SuperSceptile15]

I'm so happy there are many people who agree with me that Piranha Plant is the best newcomer in Ultimate. Although, I wonder if they only like him ironically rather than genuinely. I like him both as an actual character (plants are cool) and as a joke character.
https://old.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...hbros_ultimate_character_hype_survey_results/

 

[CrusherMania1592]

So the current topic is still DLC?


Bruh, let's talk about why Sector Z should've returned over Corneria

 

[Potato_]

I'm not implying that....but he's objectively a different case from Loz, who leaked legit one thing which was some E3 details...Hitagi has leaked numerous other things which means he has sources in the industry. I don't think Hitagi's 100% truthful, dude's contradicted himself numerous times, but it's very different.

Alright this is slightly revisiony.

He had ALL the E3 details, weeks before. Like he knew EVERYTHING from that direct.

I know he ended up a fraud later but that doesn't mean the stuff he had previously is suddenly moot.
Hell the whole reason Vergeben decided to talk to him was because of the sheer amount of stuff he had gotten right from that E3.

 

[Starbound]

That's still K. Rool.

Mewtwo and Lucas had both normal and fighter trophies. Why are Spirits now a special case?

It's no different if we had a Fire Mario spirit. It's not the fighter spirit which is what really matters.

Spirits are meant to simulate characters not in the game. Which is why they are different from trophies.

Why create a simulation for a character you're just going to add anyways?

 

[Deleted member]

It's no different if we had a Fire Mario spirit. It's not the fighter spirit which is what really matters.

Spirits are meant to simulate characters not in the game. Which is why they are different from trophies.

Why create a simulation for a character you're just going to add anyways?

Why create a trophy for a character you're planning on adding?

 

[Luigi The President]

I'm so happy there are many people who agree with me that Piranha Plant is the best newcomer in Ultimate. Although, I wonder if they only like him ironically rather than genuinely. I like him both as an actual character (plants are cool) and as a joke character.
https://old.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...hbros_ultimate_character_hype_survey_results/
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I will be real with you chief a portion of it is ironic.

But that makes it better for guys like you and people like me who will still be playing him even after people drop him 3 days post-release because he isn't funny anymore. I really do love that plant. So do you. We will prove them wrong.

Alright this is slightly revisiony.

He had ALL the E3 details, weeks before. Like he knew EVERYTHING from that direct.

I know he ended up a fraud later but that doesn't mean the stuff he had previously is suddenly moot.
Hell the whole reason Vergeben decided to talk to him was because of the sheer amount of stuff he had gotten right from that E3.

I don't recall this...? I recall him stating specific things like Ganondorf's design and returning items.

 

[Potato_]

I'm so happy there are many people who agree with me that Piranha Plant is the best newcomer in Ultimate. Although, I wonder if they only like him ironically rather than genuinely. I like him both as an actual character (plants are cool) and as a joke character.
https://old.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...hbros_ultimate_character_hype_survey_results/
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It's Reddit, so it's 100% as a "haha meme guys I'm hilarious" thing.

But I do think the Plant is cool, I like how he incorporates a bunch of different stuff that they've been able to do over the years, with the extending neck, the poison and the spikeball.

 

[Deleted member]

It's no different if we had a Fire Mario spirit. It's not the fighter spirit which is what really matters.

Spirits are meant to simulate characters not in the game. Which is why they are different from trophies.

Why create a simulation for a character you're just going to add anyways?

To be fair, I very highly doubt every spirit will have a battle as well.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

The logic behind box theory and Ken and Incineroar was sensible.

People going 100 percent into it at the time? Didn't appear so though.

At least that's how I viewed it personally. Granted I was pretty Anti-Box myself.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Misinfo
They JUST finished negotiation for characters
It would not have taken them 3 years to negotiate for 5 DLC characters

Are we even sure we know the timeframe for when they were done picking the DLC? Maybe I've missed something, but for all we know they could have finalized DLC plans long ago (hence how Vergeben knew about the Square Rep back in early September).

 

[Starbound]

I mean...Nintendo literally stated this. Sakurai specifically said negotiations have ended for fighters like a week ago. It's why we've been talking about Nintendo selecting the roster for the past week. Source

Oh that's how you read the post.

I read it as "PSA: we already know the characters who are going to be DLC so stop bugging me because it isn't going to change anything".

tbh he doesn't actually use the word negotiations

 

[Luigi The President]

Are we even sure we know the timeframe for when they were done picking the DLC? Maybe I've missed something, but for all we know they could have finalized DLC plans long ago (hence how Vergeben knew about the Square Rep back in early September).

Yes...

The usage of "now" is essential.

Oh that's how you read the post.

I read it as "PSA: we already know the characters who are going to be DLC so stop bugging me because it isn't going to change anything".

tbh he doesn't actually use the word negotiations

"Super Smash Bros. Ultimate’s DLC line-up is now complete."
...??

 

[RyuhoFox]

Why exactly are we expecting the in game Spirits to hint at anything regarding DLC? Especially considering that there's nothing saying that a DLC character won't add spirits from its series into the game when added anyways. Like last time DLC characters had trophies added when they were. DLC characters could likely do that as well here with spirits where when they release it adds a few Spirits based on them or their series

 

[ClaTheBae]

So the current topic is still DLC?


Bruh, let's talk about why Sector Z should've returned over Corneria

um what the **** no

 

[Starbound]

Why create a trophy for a character you're planning on adding?

Trophies aren't meant to be simulations.

 

[SuperSceptile15]

It's Reddit, so it's 100% as a "haha meme guys I'm hilarious" thing.

But I do think the Plant is cool, I like how he incorporates a bunch of different stuff that they've been able to do over the years, with the extending neck, the poison and the spikeball.

I love how his poison spit move references TTYD as well. I'm happy to see that game get more recognition.

 

[Potato_]

I don't recall this...? I recall him stating specific things like Ganondorf's design and returning items.

I can try to pull up the posts after (currently procrastinating from writing my paper) but it might be hard to do considering he deleted his account on GameFAQs.

But from what I remember he stated:

- Inkling moveset perfectly (Like he even got the Shield and button to recharge Ink thing).
- Zelda based on ALBW
- Link new moveset
- Ganondorf new moveset (gee notice a trend yet?)
- ALL characters returning

And probably more, I remember it being a big deal once people found his posts after the direct.

 

[Deleted member]

Why exactly are we expecting the in game Spirits to hint at anything regarding DLC? Especially considering that there's nothing saying that a DLC character won't add spirits from its series into the game when added anyways. Like last time DLC characters had trophies added when they were. DLC characters could likely do that as well here with spirits where when they release it adds a few Spirits based on them or their series

Because the thread is bored and needed a new argument now that we can't yell at each other about the box anymore.

 

[Luigi The President]

I can try to pull up the posts after (currently procrastinating from writing my paper) but it might be hard to do considering he deleted his account on GameFAQs.

But from what I remember he stated:

- Inkling moveset perfectly (Like he even got the Shield and button to recharge Ink thing).
- Zelda based on BOTW
- Link new moveset
- Ganondorf new moveset (gee notice a trend yet?)
- ALL characters returning

And probably more, I remember it being a big deal once people found his posts after the direct.

Which is why I stated "some", not all of the changes
I get what you're saying though

 

[ClaTheBae]

I love how his poison spit move references TTYD as well. I'm happy to see that game get more recognition.

plant's got some yummy frame data too. I'm very excited for him

 

[okamifire]

I also read the tweet with the intended take away being "Okay, stop tweeting us, we've already decided the line up". I'm sure they got thousands of tweets nonstop about "add this character" or "add that character". It's undoubtedly overwhelming.

I don't really think that we know whether they finished picking the DLC a week ago or a year ago. I don't think we ever will, tbh.

 

[Starbound]

"Super Smash Bros. Ultimate’s DLC line-up is now complete."
...??

Was it complete last week or years ago?

The tweet doesn't say.

 

[okamifire]

Oh, and what you guys are talking about, Piranha Plant looks really fun, haha. I'm excited for him and Inkling the most.

 

[Deleted member]

Trophies aren't meant to be simulations.

Spirits are literally the replacement for trophies.

Trophies were used as a way to enjoy characters as well. I think you're taking Sakurai a little too literally and reading into things.

 

[Luigi The President]

I also read the tweet with the intended take away being "Okay, stop tweeting us, we've already decided the line up". I'm sure they got thousands of tweets nonstop about "add this character" or "add that character". It's undoubtedly overwhelming.

I don't really think that we know whether they finished picking the DLC a week ago or a year ago. I don't think we ever will, tbh.

They literally said it has "now" been finished. Not trying to be rude. But this heavily implies they just finished it within the week.

Was it complete last week or years ago?

The tweet doesn't say.

NOW been finished

 

[Starbound]

I can try to pull up the posts after (currently procrastinating from writing my paper) but it might be hard to do considering he deleted his account on GameFAQs.

But from what I remember he stated:

- Inkling moveset perfectly (Like he even got the Shield and button to recharge Ink thing).
- Zelda based on ALBW
- Link new moveset
- Ganondorf new moveset (gee notice a trend yet?)
- ALL characters returning

And probably more, I remember it being a big deal once people found his posts after the direct.

We figured out LoZ managed to play the E3 build.

So he was a legit source but power went to his head.

 

[FreeFox]

I'm so happy there are many people who agree with me that Piranha Plant is the best newcomer in Ultimate. Although, I wonder if they only like him ironically rather than genuinely. I like him both as an actual character (plants are cool) and as a joke character.
https://old.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...hbros_ultimate_character_hype_survey_results/
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My new two mains made it to top 5! I am so happy right now.

The logic behind box theory and Ken and Incineroar was sensible.

People going 100 percent into it at the time? Didn't appear so though.

At least that's how I viewed it personally. Granted I was pretty Anti-Box myself.

But sensible is usually decided by the majority and for the majority, it wasnt considered sensible. That is what makes the whole situation sad.

 

[TheCJBrine]

After reading some other posts, I just realized something that might go wrong with DQ inclusion. Nothing against DQ, but...

...well, I don't know if there's more than one DQ composer, but if there is...

...I think you know where I'm going with this.

Was it complete last week or years ago?

The tweet doesn't say.

Tbh I don't think they're gonna include DLC characters as must-haves in the project plan before actually negotiating them.

What was stated when Rex's Mii Costume was shown off wasn't perfectly clear.

If the characters are being used to promote games, then I definitely can't see them being chosen long ago.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Off-topic but did you guys hear the news?

We lost a legend today...

 

[Luigi The President]

After reading some other posts, I just realized something that might go wrong with DQ inclusion. Nothing against DQ, but...

...well, I don't know if there's more than one DQ composer, but if there is...

...I think you know where I'm going with this.



Tbh I don't think they're gonna include DLC characters as must-haves in the project plan before actually negotiating them.

The DQ music is where I'm held up

From what I understand it's different from FF where the composer will literally /NOT/ allow his music to be used overseas

 

[Diem]

I will be real with you chief a portion of it is ironic.

But that makes it better for guys like you and people like me who will still be playing him even after people drop him 3 days post-release because he isn't funny anymore. I really do love that plant. So do you. We will prove them wrong.

It's Reddit, so it's 100% as a "haha meme guys I'm hilarious" thing.

This is what most of the Waluigi support amounts to. Compared to fanbases like with Ridley and K. Rool, who people are seriously invested in, Waluigi's support is just because people think he's a funny character and that they're funny by liking/playing as him.

Last year during Nintendo's Summer of Play event, I went to the mall to go get my hands on the Switch (this was back when they were hard to find). A friend and I played a Mario Kart 8 Deluxe game with two other strangers. One of them picked Waluigi, thought it was so funny, and was a shrill, screaming manchild the entire game. I was playing as Link, won the game, and then he kept screaming "WHO WAS LINK?! WHO WAS LINK?!" like it was hilarious. And he was probably older than I was.

Not that I'm generalizing every single person who wants the character. Not every Waluigi fan is shrill and immature, of course. There are some people who genuinely like him and would seriously play him, but they're definitely the minority.

If he does ever get added, it will probably be funny for a month, give or take, and then everyone will go home.

 

[Starbound]

They literally said it has "now" been finished. Not trying to be rude. But this heavily implies they just finished it within the week.


NOW been finished

It doesn't really imply it though.

Especially when we know from the direct they picked the characters in the project plan.

It could be what your saying, but it could also be "Dudes did you not listen to me last week. The DLC lineup is now complete so stop bugging me".

 

[Luigi The President]

This is what most of the Waluigi support amounts to. Compared to fanbases like with Ridley and K. Rool, who people are seriously invested in, Waluigi's support is just because people think he's a funny character and that they're funny by liking/playing as him.

Last year during Nintendo's Summer of Play event, I went to the mall to go get my hands on the Switch (this was back when they were hard to find). A friend and I played a Mario Kart 8 Deluxe game with two other strangers. One of them picked Waluigi, thought it was so funny, and was a shrill, screaming manchild the entire game. I was playing as Link, won the game, and then he kept screaming "WHO WAS LINK?! WHO WAS LINK?!" like it was hilarious. And he was probably older than I was.

Not that I'm generalizing every single person who wants the character. Not every Waluigi fan is shrill and immature, of course. There are some people who genuinely like him and would seriously play him, but they're definitely the minority.

If he does ever get added, it will probably be funny for a month, give or take, and then everyone will go home.

Which sucks because I've genuinely wanted the guy for years now lol. Miss the good old days.

 

[Nekoo]

I think you're taking Sakurai a little too literally and reading into things.

Remember when that was said about "Stop believing what he said, no way we will get only two newcomers!"/s

The DQ music is where I'm held up
From what I understand it's different from FF where the composer will literally /NOT/ allow his music to be used overseas

I think you mean "Not allow his music to be remixed/Orchestrated overseas" if we get Dragon Quest, it will be ****ty Midi and we will have to like it. Which is a crime for that series.

 

[Luigi The President]

It doesn't really imply it though.

Especially when we know from the direct they picked the characters in the project plan.

It could be what your saying, but it could also be "Dudes did you not listen to me last week. The DLC lineup is now complete so stop bugging me".

Honestly it's just how one reads it I guess and I think we should leave it at that.
But deciding the DLC characters during planning doesn't seem very logical. And where in the Direct was it stated DLC was picked in the project plan?

 

[Deleted member]

I will be real with you chief a portion of it is ironic.

But that makes it better for guys like you and people like me who will still be playing him even after people drop him 3 days post-release because he isn't funny anymore. I really do love that plant. So do you. We will prove them wrong.


I don't recall this...? I recall him stating specific things like Ganondorf's design and returning items.

Ganondorf's and Zelda's designs, EVERYONE IS HERE!, and Ridley (IIRC).

 

[Luigi The President]

Remember when that was said about "Stop believing what he said, no way we will get only two newcomers!"/s



I think you mean "Not allow his music to be remixed/Orchestrated overseas" if we get Dragon Quest, it will be ****ty Midi and we will have to like it. Which is a crime for that series.

In Japan as well?
Because from what I get the game is one build worldwide.

 

[Deleted member]

Remember when that was said about "Stop believing what he said, no way we will get only two newcomers!"/s

That's the thing though.

Sakurai didn't say Spirits can't be fighters.

 

[Pazzo.]

Assuming they just now decided which characters to add I have no idea how anyone knows anything about which characters are being added.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Yes...

The usage of "now" is essential.


"Super Smash Bros. Ultimate’s DLC line-up is now complete."
...??

Right, the "now" escaped me when I first read that, it definitely sounds like they've only just got it all finalized recently. Still, it's likely that they have had some characters planned longer than others, negotiations won't all have taken place at the same time, so I do think they've known what some of the DLC will be for a while.

I agree that Spirits don't really deconfirm anything though, and I do expect some, if not all of the eventual DLC to have Spirits in the game. I don't believe Sakurai would show his hand in such an obvious manner, and we already know that collectibles don't really mean much in this regard with the Mewtwo trophy, so I do agree with your overall point.