Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

People have gone from believing the Grinch to becoming the Grinch by denying Verg.


It's a casual option though, it's not bad at all.

People have always denied Verge, let's be fair lol. Dude was right on every single thing he predicted and people still denied him. He didn't knw about K Rool, Chrom, or about every fighter returning, but he didn't deny it either. People think tat by not knowing that, he just got lucky by predicting Ridley, Snake & Ice climbers returning, Simon Belmont, Ken, Isabelle, and Incineroar. He was 7/7 with the information his sources gave him, but no, he totally guessed according to some people lol.

 

[Troykv]

Right here, for you.

Obliterate! That Final Smash looks so cool despite being so humble with camara work xD

 

[Deleted member]

At this point the hate for Smash 4 is so strong you'd want them to retcon it out of the series and make Ultimate the actual Smash 4.

Smash 4 isn't bad, it's just kinda eh, especially when compared to Ultimate. It's the John Cena of the Smash games.

 

[Noipoi]

At this point the hate for Smash 4 is so strong you'd want them to retcon it out of the series and make Ultimate the actual Smash 4.

I don't hate Smash 4 at all, it just feels a little...lacking in certain areas I suppose?

 

[Deleted member]

Wait, wasn't there supposed to be another Nintendo Direct like tomorrow or something?

 

[Deleted member]

We got some more like Masked Lumen, Werewolf, and that Bokoblin chief, so that's something

I'm still not fully sold on that because Lumen Sage would be way too hype and Death would make more sense as a second Castlevania boss(unless he's the third???).
I'm persinally hoping for updated Metal Face, ported over Black Knight as the smallest boss(he doesn't flinch unlike other assists as some pointed out) and mother****ing Arceus.

 

[Idon]

At this point the hate for Smash 4 is so strong you'd want them to retcon it out of the series and make Ultimate the actual Smash 4.

Dude, this happens every single Smash.
"Boy guys, the last Smash wasn't too great, but this one's gonna be a-MAZE-ing!~"

 

[Will]

The last thing we need is another ESRB situation with a disappointing final roster

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You call that disappointing?

 

[Bionichute]

This is just a random thought I had the other day.
What if there's one more assist trophy we haven't seen yet? We finished with 59 and there might be a 60th. I figured the reason we haven't seen it yet is because it would be unlocked by beating the story mode. What could it be? Since Rathalos is the "first" boss and assist trophy put together, I was thinking that there could be a possibility of Master Hand being an assist trophy that is unlocked through World of Light. We had unlockable assist trophies before so its not too far-fetched.

This is very unlikely but cool.

the 60th assist trophy was definitely supposed to be piranha plant

 

[Luigi The President]

I'm desensitized by leaks at this point, unless it's by someone with a respectable track record. The last thing we need is another ESRB situation with a disappointing final roster, or another Grinch Leak, with promising roster that ended up being fake.

SNAKE IS IN THIS GAME I CANNOT GRASP YOUR MINDSET HERE
IT'S ****ING SNAKE!!!

 

[PLATINUM7]

Dude, this happens every single Smash.
"Boy guys, the last Smash wasn't too great, but this one's gonna be a-MAZE-ing!~"

It's the Smash cycle.

 

[Deleted member]

The one that's rumored to happen tomorrow from that twitter that always gets the direct dates.

If there was one tomorrow, wouldnt the announcement for it have already happened?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Dude, this happens every single Smash.
"Boy guys, the last Smash wasn't too great, but this one's gonna be a-MAZE-ing!~"

This. Legit the only one people continue to suck the teet of is Melee. I've never seen anyone speak ill of Melee and the moment someone does they get attacked.

Which is funny because it mightly actually be the one that when viewed without any sort of nostalgia or real fan bias has the most logical problems of any of the games in terms of balance, bugs, etc.

 

[Idon]

If there was one tomorrow, wouldnt the announcement for it have already happened?

I don't ****in' know, guys.
I'm just answering a question.

 

[Bionichute]

I'm still not fully sold on that because Lumen Sage would be way too hype and Death would make more sense as a second Castlevania boss(unless he's the third???).
I'm persinally hoping for updated Metal Face, ported over Black Knight as the smallest boss(he doesn't flinch unlike other assists as some pointed out) and mother****ing Arceus.

im gonna bet every stage boss is gonna be in the mode because they're easy to reuse. black knight is probably a boss, and on that note if they don't make dr wily a boss whats even the point of having him here (not that i mind him being an assist but still)

 

[PLATINUM7]

Wait, wasn't there supposed to be another Nintendo Direct like tomorrow or something?

If there was one tomorrow, wouldnt the announcement for it have already happened?

Could be a Direct Mini.

I think they usually just get uploaded, no live stream.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

I'm not believing in any leaks anymore, not since what happened to the Grinch Leak

 

[Deleted member]

At this point the hate for Smash 4 is so strong you'd want them to retcon it out of the series and make Ultimate the actual Smash 4.

Smash 4 will probably end up being my second favorite if Ultimate is as good as it seems right now. There are certain things I don't like about it (the main theme being one of them), but I've played it for 4 years now, and it's going to be a little sad to move on.

 

[Noipoi]

I'm desensitized by leaks at this point, unless it's by someone with a respectable track record. The last thing we need is another ESRB situation with a disappointing final roster, or another Grinch Leak, with promising roster that ended up being fake.

Bro, Snake, Ridley, K Rool, Inkling, Incineroar (i know it's an unpopular opinion but he's hype as hell).
This game is maximum hype.

 

[Luigi The President]

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...so they really did remove Black Knight from Castle Seige huh

 

[The Slayer]

At this point the hate for Smash 4 is so strong you'd want them to retcon it out of the series and make Ultimate the actual Smash 4.

Which is silly because Brawl still isn't all that great, from a competitive view at least.

 

[Robertman2]

If there was one tomorrow, wouldnt the announcement for it have already happened?

Could be a direct mini that drops out of nowhere like the January one

 

[Deleted member]

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...so they really did remove Black Knight from Castle Seige huh

Idon You want to take this one?

 

[Deleted member]

I don't ****in' know, guys.
I'm just answering a question.

lol alright, sorry; it was news to me, but with people still 'wondering' about it without any concrete announcement, it surprised me that it was even given any credible thought at this point unless it was just stealth-announced or something.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm desensitized by leaks at this point, unless it's by someone with a respectable track record. The last thing we need is another ESRB situation with a disappointing final roster, or another Grinch Leak, with promising roster that ended up being fake.

Ultimate's Roster, , disaspointing?

 

[Deleted member]

Which is silly because Brawl is still isn't all that great, from a competitive view at least.

Brawl is a fantastic game, but it is a **** competitive one.

 

[Llort A. Ton]

Even Smash 4's theme is kind of dull and lifeless compared to all the others.

64 had a theme that incorporated the different series involved with a sense of whimsy that went with the toy theme.

Melee had an epic theme that makes it seem more grandiose. Instead of it being a bunch of toys fighting, it's a huge showdown with all these different characters.

Brawl had its amazing orchestra with Latin lyrics about great heroes and rivals banding together to save the world.

Smash 4... has I have no idea. The theme isn't nearly as dynamic or interesting as any of the others. The trumpets sound flaccid, and overall it doesn't inspire any intense emotions. It's not bad, but it doesn't get me pumped the way any of the others do.

Ultimate has a really powerful theme that communicates how all the characters are here, and then has a different remix with amazing lyrics that accompanies the story and scope of World of Light/Spirits.

While Smash 4 was helpful for us getting to Ultimate, it definitely doesn't have much of a lasting impact outside of its core gameplay.

I agree. The tone is as generic as Smash has been, making it kinda feel like the "New Super Mario Bros" of Smash. It just feels "safe", like it has a lot of fun characters and stages but outside of it theres very little ambition. Melee was quite a step up from 64, including many new characters, stages, modes and trophies in just one year of development. Brawl brought 3rd party characters and a story mode. But what does Smash for Wii U have to show for itself? A half baked mario party, and a butchered classic mode with no special minigames like targets. The name of the game even reflects it. Its Super Smash Bros... for Wii U. Doesnt sound exciting or leave an impact.

I may sound like Im just ****ting on it, but I enjoyed the game a lot (I wouldnt put thousands of hours into a game I dont like). But I do not see myself returning to play it at all once Ultimate comes out.

 

[Deleted member]

lol alright, sorry; it was news to me, but with people still 'wondering' about it without any concrete announcement, it surprised me that it was even given any credible thought at this point unless it was just stealth-announced or something.

Also, I didnt know a spontaneous drop of a direct was possible.
EDIT: Hmmm....didnt mean to quote myself; I meant to edit it and add it to the last reply. Sorry about that.

 

[Will]

This. Legit the only one people continue to suck the teet of is Melee. I've never seen anyone speak ill of Melee and the moment someone does they get attacked.

Which is funny because it mightly actually be the one that when viewed without any sort of nostalgia or real fan bias has the most logical problems of any of the games in terms of balance, bugs, etc.

I mean, I'm not Melee fan but it is pretty fun. Granted I wish it came out a year later or so, maybe get a better Wario moveset and a decloned Ganon.
But then we wouldn't have precious wavedashing probably I assume so thats how the world works

 

[SnakeFighter64]

the 60th assist trophy was definitely supposed to be piranha plant

I legitimately think that the 60th one was supposed to be a Final Fantasy one (they don’t have any assist trophy unlike every other third party franchise), but Square got last minute stingy with the rights

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

It's the Smash cycle.

I never really felt like that going from Brawl to Smash 4 (of course, I don’t speak for everyone else) but this time it does feel like Smash 4 really was an inferior game compared to Ultimate, I mean that’s pretty obvious though.

 

[Starbound]

Yeah, looks like Gaming Intel got the direct announcement wrong.

Legit not surprised though. Still salty they were wrong about the N64 mini last week.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You all think a new F Zero game would be a miracle, until...


F Zero: Amiibo Festival!

That would mean lots of Z-Zero amiibo. That doesn't sound like an awful thing, really.

 

[Idon]

Idon You want to take this one?

BLACK KNIGHT
ISN'T THE
BACK KNIGHT

 

[Luigi The President]

BLACK KNIGHT
WASN'T THE
BACK KNIGHT

why'd they change it then and he's an assist trophy AHYUCKHYUCKHYUCKHYUCK

 

[Arcanir]

I'm still not fully sold on that because Lumen Sage would be way too hype and Death would make more sense as a second Castlevania boss(unless he's the third???).
I'm persinally hoping for updated Metal Face, ported over Black Knight as the smallest boss(he doesn't flinch unlike other assists as some pointed out) and mother****ing Arceus.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Death, the Werewolf and some of the other enemies on the Castlevania stage were bosses in the mode. I'm not sure how they work on the actual stage, but they do already have the rights, models, and at least some unique animations done for all of them, so it would make sense to make use of those characters and make them bosses in the mode since the work is partially done. You could even do a boss rush in a similar fashion to Rondo of Blood with Shaft where you face off against each one before you get to the Lord of Darkness himself.

Same thing with bosses like Metal Face and Yellow Devil since they are fightable in their respective stages. I could also see Dr. Wily be similar to your Black Knight suggestion since he even has a unique losing animation.

 

[Luigi The President]

Seeing people on r/smashbros saying "Geno will be DLC btw" like it's an obvious fact is just...it's a feeling.
How blissfully they live.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I agree. The tone is as generic as Smash has been, making it kinda feel like the "New Super Mario Bros" of Smash. It just feels "safe", like it has a lot of fun characters and stages but outside of it theres very little ambition. Melee was quite a step up from 64, including many new characters, stages, modes and trophies in just one year of development. Brawl brought 3rd party characters and a story mode. But what does Smash for Wii U have to show for itself? A half baked mario party, and a butchered classic mode with no special minigames like targets. The name of the game even reflects it. Its Super Smash Bros... for Wii U. Doesnt sound exciting or leave an impact.

I may sound like Im just ****ting on it, but I enjoyed the game a lot (I wouldnt put thousands of hours into a game I dont like). But I do not see myself returning to play it at all once Ultimate comes out.

Wow. The Wii U really is the Charlie Brown of consoles. Even it’s smash is getting looked back on with a resounding “eh, it’s just not that great”. I personally love smash 4. I love the way it plays, I love the roster (the more third party reps the better IMO). The only think that would have made it better was Snake.

 

[Dee Dude]

There’s no denying Ultimate makes Smash 4 look like utter trash in comparison considering how stale and boring the latter is.

The only few remaining saving graces it has on it’s own are the load of newcomers we’ve gotten, introducing DLC, removed tripping, Smash Run, transformation Final Smashes and trophies.

On another note, considering how we saw the Ghiraham Spirit mission, I hope this means we can have more Assist Trophy based missions with killable ATs Waluigi, Krystal, Shovel Knight etc

Hey, if most of them couldn’t make to the roster then atleast we can atleast glance at them for more than 10 seconds.

 

[Wyoming]

F-Zero but Sakurai's directing it and it's just Kirby Air Ride without the Kirby until DLC but don't tell anybody

So...the Death Race we have but with open world?

Yeah sure I'd take it. It would need good level design.