Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Gks1]

Here's Kirby with the Incineroar hat.

Short vid showing kirby incineroar pic.twitter.com/b6WDGMdZAU

— SefiCompacto (@SefiCompacto) November 2, 2018

Ohhhh so cute and cool!!!!

 

[KarneraMythos]

Yeah it was a joke.

Well ya got me...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8XTpCwicwE

Vergil is the Bayonetta of MvC 3.

He would probably get the Ken treatment if anything. There's enough about them that's somewhat similar, but Smash would obviously size down everything in Dante's disposal so the two are closer in similarity.

Now if you think Nero would make a better Echo Fighter, by all means.

 

[Kingslime304]

Is there any threads that are good for posting a moveset you've created?

 

[Flyboy]

For the character you want in, you also have to make an echo fighter out of it:

Marina Liteyears - Calina
Phoenix Wright - Miles Edgeworth
Travis Touchdown - Kimmy Howell OR Bad Man
2B - A2

As much as I'd love Shinobu or Henry in they'd need to be original or at least semi-clones, so...

 

[Luigifan18]

Is there any threads that are good for posting a moveset you've created?

The support thread for the character in question would appreciate it.

 

[Graizen]

Hey guys im back.

Its bad if i talk about Agumon and Digimon in Smash here today?

If you guys don't like it , i will not

 

[Kingslime304]

The support thread for the character in question would appreciate it.

Oh okay, thanks!

 

[Deleted member]

Hey guys im back.

Its bad if i talk about Agumon and Digimon in Smash here today?

If you guys don't like it , i will not

Agumon rocks.

 

[blackghost]

Now that Chrom's in, does that increase or decrease her chances? Roy needs to be reunited with his mum.

her chances are at 0 percent shes an assist trophy. every assist trophy isnt getting in.

 

[Robertman2]

Joker - Goro Akechi
Master Chief - The Arbiter
Dante - reboot Dante

 

[blackghost]

Vergil is the Bayonetta of MvC 3.

vergil is better in marvel 3 than bayo has ever been in smash 4. dont even think that it is close. people called vergil the devil. he could walk through projectiles, he had range, damage, and speed, he had an auto crossup.
all best characters are not created equal.

 

[KiBom]

Hey guys im back.

Its bad if i talk about Agumon and Digimon in Smash here today?

If you guys don't like it , i will not

I just feel like we've talked about it a fair bit enough in like the last 24 hours even?

 

[Graizen]

I just feel like we've talked about it a fair bit enough in like the last 24 hours even?

Yeah , thats right i think.

Ok. Sorry

 

[PeridotGX]

Is there any threads that are good for posting a moveset you've created?

Make Your Move is the closest thing we have. I should warn you that they have very high standards over there though.

 

[N3ON]

Hey guys im back.

Its bad if i talk about Agumon and Digimon in Smash here today?

If you guys don't like it , i will not

I think a better option, going forward, is letting it get raised organically versus injecting it into conversation.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Shantae - Holly Lingerbean
Rayman - Dark Rayman (sorry, it's the only viable option)
Crash Bandicoot - Coco Bandicoot

Here's Kirby with the Incineroar hat.

Short vid showing kirby incineroar pic.twitter.com/b6WDGMdZAU

— SefiCompacto (@SefiCompacto) November 2, 2018

Kinda disappointed he didn't remold his skin into sideburns, but it works.

On a Kirby hat note, it's almost certain the PP one will be the second time a hat is eating him.

 

[Royalty1702]

I can see PP Kirby being Kirby with a PP on his head.



That's sounds weird. I take that back.

 

[ShadowGamer193]

Now that Chrom's in, does that increase or decrease her chances? Roy needs to be reunited with his mum.

I thought Ninian was Roy’s mother?

her chances are at 0 percent shes an assist trophy. every assist trophy isnt getting in.

I mean, Chrom is a Mii Costume and in a Final Smash. And the whole AT means a character is deconfirmed as DLC is just a fan rule based on one game. You never know with Sakurai.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I thought Ninian was Roy’s mother?

I mean, Chrom is a Mii Costume and in a Final Smash. And the whole AT means a character is deconfirmed as DLC is just a fan rule based on one game. You never know with Sakurai.

her chances are at 0 percent shes an assist trophy. every assist trophy isnt getting in.

Meant to say Smash 6 onwards. Not that she'll get a chance anyway, since IS loves it when Sakurai picks characters from recent titles...

Also, in Blazing Blade, you get to pick who will be Elliwood's wife, so it's a Schrodinger's Mother case.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

vergil is better in marvel 3 than bayo has ever been in smash 4. dont even think that it is close. people called vergil the devil. he could walk through projectiles, he had range, damage, and speed, he had an auto crossup.
all best characters are not created equal.

God Vergil was a headache to fight against in UMVC3, if he has enough energy bars filled and does that spinning sword special "you're going down".

 

[monadoboy]

I thought Ninian was Roy’s mother?

Yes and no, it could be any of the two, or even an unnamed woman depending on who Eliwood ends up with in Blazing Sword.
Edit:

 

[Luigifan18]

I thought Ninian was Roy’s mother?

It could be Ninian, Lyndis, or Fiora — the game leans toward Ninian, though.

EDIT: Double 'd...

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Keywords: variety, unique move-set, unique play style. Is what I look for. So do you agree that most of Fire Emblem "chars" were a mistake? I honestly do.

As someone who does enjoy playing most, if not all, of the Fire Emblem characters, I can understand where one would be coming from when they say they don’t like the fact that many of them play similarly.

However, one thing I will say is that there’s a certain “touch” to each of them that, while they’re similar, they do play differently.

For example, if I play Marth, I have to space accordingly compared to Lucina, which means that I can’t play the exact same way. With Roy, despite his moveset being derivative of Marth, he’s completely different in play style, meaning, again, if I am trying to win as him, I cannot play him as I might play Marth.

The thing with those characters and the way they’re added to Smash is different from, say, a unique addition. Lucina was added as a last minute clone. Roy was added that way. Chrom is now the latest one. Chrom and Lucina, despite being Echo Fighters, are also characters that were popular picks from the fanbase, so to me you can’t entirely go wrong with picking characters that people want, especially when the base moveset (Marth) is so well done that it’s simply fun to play.

Echo fighters, in my humble opinion, aren’t really on the same plane in terms of requirements, as they are effectively “bonus drops” that would have never made it as unique fighters on their first appearance as playable in Smash. It’s less effort for characters that please a lot of people, there’s very little downside with that.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I haven't even had to do something as outrageous as state why Don chan could be a fighter.

HMM?

Don-chan fan here, Im listening. lay it on me,

 

[monadoboy]

I saw PP's icon just now and I can't believe it's real almost a week later...

 

[ShadowGamer193]

Meant to say Smash 6 onwards. Not that she'll get a chance anyway, since IS loves it when Sakurai picks characters from recent titles...

Also, in Blazing Blade, you get to pick who will be Elliwood's wife, so it's a Schrodinger's Mother case.

I’m pretty sure Eliwood flat out says he loves Ninian in the end of Blazing Blade(maybe not, it’s been a while)and I think the game wants Lyn and Hector to be canon

 

[Deleted member]

I thought Ninian was Roy’s mother?

I know a particular FE fan that would be irritated by that question...

 

[Troykv]

As someone who does enjoy playing most, if not all, of the Fire Emblem characters, I can understand where one would be coming from when they say they don’t like the fact that many of them play similarly.

However, one thing I will say is that there’s a certain “touch” to each of them that, while they’re similar, they do play differently.

For example, if I play Marth, I have to space accordingly compared to Lucina, which means that I can’t play the exact same way. With Roy, despite his moveset being derivative of Marth, he’s completely different in play style, meaning, again, if I am trying to win as him, I cannot play him as I might play Marth.

The thing with those characters and the way they’re added to Smash is different from, say, a unique addition. Lucina was added as a last minute clone. Roy was added that way. Chrom is now the latest one. Chrom and Lucina, despite being Echo Fighters, are also characters that were popular picks from the fanbase, so to me you can’t entirely go wrong with picking characters that people want, especially when the base moveset (Marth) is so well done that it’s simply fun to play.

Echo fighters, in my humble opinion, aren’t really on the same plane in terms of requirements, as they are effectively “bonus drops” that would have never made it as unique fighters on their first appearance as playable in Smash. It’s less effort for characters that please a lot of people, there’s very little downside with that.

Yeah; they're pretty much bonuses; the fact Robin still has the Chrom Final Smash; suggest he would be the latest character added to the game xD (the reason Ken was revealed after it was most likely because of the cinematic)

Wait... We're talking about FE in Smash now...

UNSHAMEFUL PLUG FOR MICAIAH4SMASH

(IwilldomybesttomakeMicaiahmorepopular)

 

[Cereal Bawks]

Do you guys think all the FE characters will get character banter during their victory scenes now that they all have been recasted/rerecorded? Lucina and Robin had them in Smash 4, but Ike and Marth couldn't because they just reused their Brawl clips.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I'd legit get hyped for a Fire Emblem fighting game.

id buy that game so hard

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Breaking a bit off topic, when you guys play online, will you go Hazards Off, Battlefield, or Omega for stages?

Hazards Off. It’s such a shame people play without just boring old omega and battlefield forms xD

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I’m pretty sure Eliwood flat out says he loves Ninian in the end of Blazing Blade(maybe not, it’s been a while)and I think the game wants Lyn and Hecotor to be canon

That depends on the A supports the characters have maxed with each other.

Yeah; they're pretty much bonuses; the fact Robin still has the Chrom Final Smash; suggest he would be the latest character added to the game xD (the reason Ken was revealed after it was most likely because of the cinematic)

Wait... We're talking about FE in Smash now...

UNSHAMEFUL PLUG FOR MICAIAH4SMASH

(IwilldomybesttomakeMicaiahmorepopular)

I find it almost funny that Black Knight was removed from the background of a stage...only to be turned into an AT.

I respect your enthusiasm though, I used to vouch for Micaiah.

 

[Luigifan18]

People make it all about repping things, when really this is a video game that needs to play well, and provide a variety of experiences for any one player to enjoy. If it was about representing, and ONLY representing different series, Smash wouldn’t be what it is, plain and simple.

Characters, and the representation of game series and character is absolutely important to Smash. The game is based on using our favorite characters against each other in familiar atmospheres and listening to familiar tunes while doing it. This often gives us a feeling that certain things are added to represent something from the series.

The problem with representing series, ONLY THROUGH CHARACTERS, like Smash character speculation always does, is that it dumbs down characters to only being picked for one reason. Every other reason, like roster diversity in design, ability, and archetype, is that it basically lumps it into, “TRhe Pokémon cast represents Pokémon.” In reality, Pikachu himself doesn’t not represent Mewtwo. Mewtwo represent Mewtwo. Characters are not adding to be a “rep”. They are added because the design team decides, “Hey, a character who does this would be cool”, and they decide on a character.

There’s also added relevance at the time of addition, or popularity, but arguably I would argue the most important factors are what the characters can do and, well, who they are. Just like any single person, it’s not like every character fits any single mold. Everyone is different.

For example, Piranha Plant definitely get in by the standard of, “Series staple, is popular, is a must-add for the Super Mario series”. Piranha Plant very likely was added because it was an oddball addition like Game & Watch and Wii Fit Trainer (oddball as in completely unexpected) but I also provided attributes that allowed it to not only have a unique move-set, but also a unique play style. That’s an important distinction to make.

Basically, I wish the word “rep” would die in a fire. Sure, it’s just a word. But that word just dumbs down what makes some character suggestions/ideas/additions so great. Everyone was just concerned about who would get in for various series, and ignored what certain characters could do. Incineroar, for example, doesn’t even seem like a Pokémon. He’s almost entirely wrestler based, which allows him to show personality and that Heel Wrestler design that is exclusive to Incineroar.

Sure, characters come from series. But characters should be looked at as individuals, rather than just bits of a larger whole.

Hey, just look at my list of supported characters. My primary reason for supporting virtually all of them is their gameplay potential.

 

[Flyboy]

I'd legit get hyped for a Fire Emblem fighting game.

Long as it didn't pull a Warriors and make the roster suck.

What engine would you prefer? Soulcalibur engine feels pretty obvious, but...I mean...that'd be really cool.

 

[Deleted member]

IIRC isn't different from slightly?

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Um, this is probably very off topic here at the moment, but I was wondering, would it be possible for Atlus to get some form of representation in Smash?

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

So, may be old news, but Best Buy’s around the world are getting Smash demos! Honestly, I played it during the Best Buy Demo in Atlanta, so I can’t wait to play it again!

 

[Deleted member]

Um, I was wondering, would it be possible for Atlus to get some form of representation in Smash?

God I wish that would happen. Joker and Flynn please.

 

[ShadowGamer193]

IIRC isn't different from slightly?

If you’re talking about Roy and Marth, Roy has a Sweet Spot closer to the hilt instead of the tip. But for Roy and Chrom, Chrom is basically Roy’s Lucina. No sweet spot on the blade

 

[Fane]

IIRC isn't different from slightly?

Roy differs a lot now.

Him and Marth are kinda like Isabelle/Villager in that he retains a few of Marth's moves and plays somewhat similarly, but for the most part his moveset is very different.