Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Guh-Huzzah!]

They really did my guy right.
I'm so happy!

Your so right! Honestly love Incineroar more that ever now lol. He's so freaking smug. I was an Incineroar fan before this, but now I'm full Incineroar.
Moveset looks amazing as well. and his voice is really interesting. Excited to play him.

 

[GoeGoe]

They are stingy, but reasonable. In the same way they love to be stingy they absolutely love cross promotion. Examples Noctis Tekken and 2B in Soul Calibur. As for KH3 never coming to the Nintendo Switch we don't know that. Tetsuya Nomura has stated he would be open to KH3 coming to the Nintendo Switch. https://www.ign.com/articles/2017/0...ible-after-xbox-one-ps4-versions-are-released

So the idea of KH3 never coming to the Switch is not true. Lets just speculate its a possibility, then its in Square Enix's benefit to have Sora in Smash Bros to cross promote. Im not saying they will, but I am saying that it would be a similar business pattern that they have done before. I cannot think of a time Square brought a character into a game thats not theirs. And it had zero loss and zero gain, its just not how they do business.

"considering", KH3 would look ugly on Switch (the current Switch, who knows about the updated ver.). Nintendo has to prove a lot before they "consider" doing that. It'll take a lot, just like DQ11 on Switch.
You got me wrong on that one. I said Zero loss "plus" gain. That's all gain with no loss. I don't think Square would refuse that

 

[ThatOneAnon]

I hope your most-wanted gets beheaded by Sakurai live on stage.

I hope your most-wanted gets in!

 

[The DanMan051]

...Do we know if Roy speaks English?

Since this is the release build, and I believe the non-Pokemon characters have the same VAs regardless of region in the Western releases.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Smash 4 had a single button on the 3ds version (cant speak for the wii u cuz i played it less) maybe theyll do that?

Wii u could fit an extra 6 fighters with Bayonetta pushing it out of a square. Then the top two rows had extra characters than the bottom rows. They squished it to work.

 

[WolfCypher]

NEW GAME!
Make a list of Five Characters who the door is now open to thanks to Robin's Final Smash that you'd like to see in Smash one day as dlc maybe.

For me its..

1. X
2. Proto Man
3. Bass (yeah yeah i like Mega Man OK)
4. Fiora
and 5. Shadow Mario (As an echo of mario but with Bowser Jr.s Final Smash)

1. Toad
2. Toad
3. Toad
4. Toad
5. Toad

The point is, any character that is a part of a moveset, is now possible, be it Final Smash or Peach and Daisy's throws and counters.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Yeah. I despised him at first, but now he's kind of grown on me. Sakurai and the development team have done a great job with the characters.

Honestly never understood the Incineroar hate. As a former Incineroar despiser, can you explain the hate to me?

 

[Nekoo]

...Do we know if Roy speaks English?

Since this is the release build, and I believe the non-Pokemon have the same VAs regardless of region in the Western releases.

He speak weebs apparently.

Which is good.

Thanks ****ing good.

 

[shadowjosh]

Not trying to be confrontational, but post-direct I've seen people suggest we will get big name third party characters for DLC because that will drive sales unlike second tier one off characters that casual fans might not have heard of. Fine, I totally understand that. I would much prefer Geno or Black Mage over Sora, but whatever. And I'd prefer even the plant over freaking Steve, but I get it.

But how does this work for having a DLC character be someone much of even gaming websites haven't heard of, much less the casual public? Katalina makes no sense, but this is Smash so it's probably real.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

Has anyone seen or posted the different colors for Wolf yet?

So far no, I wanna know the colors for each character myself. I've always been a big fan of alt colors/costumes. I hope someone shows them sooner than later.

 

[Flyboy]

I hope your most-wanted gets in!

Thanks man, she won't, but I hope yours does.

... Who is your most-wanted?

 

[Peeton]

In an odd way. i thought box and grinch leaks where real it could've gone either way. I was leaning more towards Grinch though.

Either way, Honestly Box Theory being real wasn't a very big stretch.

I never believed the box theory especially after Isabelle got revealed. Wouldn’t there only be one more newcomer? Well whatever, doesn’t matter! Still very happy with all the characters and can’t wait to try em out!

 

[vaanrose]

I suppose now is as good a time as any.

Back in Smash 4, I figured out what the CSS would look like just by analyzing the demo CSS. I was correct, but it disconfirmed Ridley, so everybody hated on me and called me an idiot because "they can change it." I actually did the same thing with the CSS for this game, I just didn't bother posting it because the climate is so hostile now.

The box was brushed aside and everyone who said it had meaning was constantly insulted. It can't be evidence at how many characters are left, because they can change it.

The Grinch leak had proven discrepancies between the backgrounds, but those don't matter, because, after all, they can change it. (I am not condensing the entire pro-Grinch argument down to this one talking point, this was simply the one talking point I disagreed with which was constantly thrown back at me.)

The point isn't that they can't change things, because they always can. The point is that if there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for why something is the way it is, and no good reason for why it would change, then it's perfectly fine to draw conclusions from something based on how it exists, and not just ignore those points because anything can change.

 

[Deleted member]

Apparently, Skull Kid's Mii Costume was shown in the shop during the Direct so this means not all of them have been revealed yet.
Also gives me hope Spirits has unrevealed bosses(that aren't just from SSE)

As of now, here's where each franchise stands with reps.















When I look at all these guys together, I really start to appreciate the balance Ultimate has brought between franchises and the number of reps they have. I'd still like to get another Zelda and Kirby character, but I'm pretty content with this being the final layout.

tOo MaNy fYAH eMBUREM cHaraCterS

 

[GoeGoe]

According to your logic, what did Nintendo have to gain by putting Cloud in Smash 4? We didn't get FFXV on the Wii U or Switch, and the FFVII remake won't be on the Switch either.

*face palm* It's a door opener :/

 

[KingofKoopas]

Wii u could fit an extra 6 fighters with Bayonetta pushing it out of a square. Then the top two rows had extra characters than the bottom rows. They squished it to work.

If they do multiple seasons of dlc (and i dont see why not Smash is a Money Printer) then a singular button that opens a Tab for DLC Fighters may be needed, but hey we won't know for quite awhile.

 

[Potato_]

I know the forum and general hardcore community is obsessed over Isaac and Geno, but the characters I'm legitimately surprised still aren't in Smash are Paper Mario and some sort of new Zelda representative since Melee.

I mean, I've thought Paper Mario was a shoe-in as far back as Brawl, and it's crazy that one of Nintendo's big three hasn't gotten anyone since 2001, if you consider Toon Link just a natural extension of Young Link. These aren't obscure fanservice characters appealing to a vocal portion of the hardcore community. They're ****ing Mario and Zelda.

It's extremely disappointing personally that Sakurai doesn't want to choose any character outside the Triforce Trio for Zelda, and Paper Mario would be an amazing character to have as well. I mean hell, even Zelda's one off characters are EXTREMELY popular.

I feel like I really can't complain after getting Ridley, Chrom AND Ken this release cycle though. I would have loved Skull Kid, Midna or Tetra (and I guess there's still a chance on that last one) but it'll have to wait I guess.

 

[Starbound]

He speak weebs apparently.

Which is good.

Thanks ****ing good.

NOOO I wanted Ray Chase ;(

 

[The DanMan051]

NOOO I wanted Ray Chase ;(

Seriously. Was the only reason we got English Marth because they also re-recorded him in the Japanese version?
What a bummer.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Seriously. Was the only reason we got English Marth because they also re-recorded him in the Japanese version?
What a bummer.

I really don't understand why Marth being dubbed is such a bad thing.

 

[Burb]

Back in Smash 4, I figured out what the CSS would look like just by analyzing the demo CSS. I was correct, but it disconfirmed Ridley, so everybody hated on me and called me an idiot because "they can change it."

Oh my god, that was such a headache.

Especially the whole "PIKACHU MOVED IN MELEE'S CSS!" counter-argument, which was literally the only instance of it ever happening in the entire series.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

"considering", KH3 would look ugly on Switch (the current Switch, who knows about the updated ver.). Nintendo has to prove a lot before they "consider" doing that. It'll take a lot, just like DQ11 on Switch.
You got me wrong on that one. I said Zero loss "plus" gain. That's all gain with no loss. I don't think Square would refuse that

Ok, but consider this:

Square Enix has nothing to lose and more to gain if they add a more popular, relevant character over Geno.

 

[Starbound]

Seriously. Was the only reason we got English Marth because they also re-recorded him in the Japanese version?
What a bummer.

They honestly could've reused his Heroes lines like they did with Black Knight and I wouldn't care.

Hell, they're reusing Mario Kart 7 lines for Rosa still ;/

 

[The DanMan051]

I really don't understand why Marth being dubbed is such a bad thing.

You mistook me entirely. I'm disappointed that Roy isn't dubbed.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

I suppose now is as good a time as any.

Back in Smash 4, I figured out what the CSS would look like just by analyzing the demo CSS. I was correct, but it disconfirmed Ridley, so everybody hated on me and called me an idiot because "they can change it." I actually did the same thing with the CSS for this game, I just didn't bother posting it because the climate is so hostile now.

The box was brushed aside and everyone who said it had meaning was constantly insulted. It can't be evidence at how many characters are left, because they can change it.

The Grinch leak had proven discrepancies between the backgrounds, but those don't matter, because, after all, they can change it. (I am not condensing the entire pro-Grinch argument down to this one talking point, this was simply the one talking point I disagreed with which was constantly thrown back at me.)

The point isn't that they can't change things, because they always can. The point is that if there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for why something is the way it is, and no good reason for why it would change, then it's perfectly fine to draw conclusions from something based on how it exists, and not just ignore those points because anything can change.

People thought box was absolutely ridiculous but if you just listened to what the guy was saying it made sense as to why it revealed how many were left.

They used an non intuitive math based character placement design for the box that would suggest two more remained for it to be filled out. And the fact that no one prior to the box theory was saying "oh yeah only two more left" added to its credibility, as not even those who believed it wanted it to be true.

Meanwhile the main argument of detractors boiled down to the ridiculousness of the idea that the roster would be leaked by a box. And yeah it is pretty ridiculous that Nintendo was that short-sighted, but it's happened to them before.

Anti-box rage was mostly based on emotion, and how desperate people were for Grinch to be true demonstrates that

You have one leak with a BUNCH of stretches, discrepancies, inconsistencies, lack of faith from the insider/leaker community, and requirement for leaps of logic to be true.

And you have a box that's only missing two spots.

 

[GoeGoe]

Agree plus lets just say they added Geno into the Mario & Luigi Rpg's. Then they would constantly have to be partnering with Square, whereas before they didn't and it was successful. The only way Geno will have future games with Nintendo, is if Square sells him to Nintendo.

Thank you. I hope Geno fans get this. Though that does make me wonder, why did Sakurai want Geno then? Was it really a pure desire of his? Was it not for the fans to begin with? hmm, who knows.
Well, according to Vergeben. The first DLC is the Square one. A couple of months till that I suppose.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

You mistook me entirely. I'm disappointed that Roy isn't dubbed.

oh okay.

 

[Iridium]

Uh, this gives me terrible feels.

So, was voiced by Unshō Ishizuka, who voiced Professor Oak and the old Joseph Joestar among others. Now that he's gone, his presence at least remains in this game when we play the wrestler.

I'm just searching for literally anything I can at the moment.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Just curious, do we have a list of all the visible characters seen at the start of the story cinematic? I think we have a few MIA’s whose deaths weren’t shown on screen. Like K Rool and Simon for example.

What do you think they were doing in thier final moments?

 

[Untouch]

People thought box was absolutely ridiculous but if you just listened to what the guy was saying it made sense as to why it revealed how many were left.

They used an non intuitive math based character placement design for the box that would suggest two more remained for it to be filled out. And the fact that no one prior to the box theory was saying "oh yeah only two more left" added to its credibility, as not even those who believed it wanted it to be true.

Meanwhile the main argument of detractors boiled down to the ridiculousness of the idea that the roster would be leaked by a box. And yeah it is pretty ridiculous that Nintendo was that short-sighted, but it's happened to them before.

Anti-box rage was mostly based on emotion, and how desperate people were for Grinch to be true demonstrates that

You have one leak with a BUNCH of stretches, discrepancies, inconsistencies, lack of faith from the insider/leaker community, and requirement for leaps of logic to be true.

And you have a box that's only missing two spots.

The spots weren't the big giveaway for the box theory, it was that one was clearly set up to have Ken. I think a lot of people brushed this away, it was designed that way for a reason.

 

[GoeGoe]

Ok, but consider this:

Square Enix has nothing to lose and more to gain if they add a more popular, relevant character over Geno.

Yeah but then it wouldn't be a Nintendo desire. That deal goes both ways, so no. Geno it is.

 

[Deleted member]

At least the Grinch gave us a great supply of memes

 

[Deleted member]

It's there. They said in the direct you could pre-install it.

It's already like #2 best-selling game on eShop right now so you can find it under Best Sellers or Coming Soon.

Huh. Maybe because this was after the Direct I didn't see it, I dunno.

 

[Starbound]

So this is a total pipedream but if they decided the DLC lineup in 2015/2016, that was right at the hype of both Undertale and Overwatch.

Sans or Tracer would be hype af imo.

They just showed off two new heroes at Blizzcon please blizzard bring this game to switch im dying

 

[Burb]

On a side note, I find it funny how I ended up being similar to Burb during Sm4sh speculation, where I disputed many common ideas and theories meant to generate hype and advocated for anti-hype, or a lowering of expectations. I remember disagreeing with Burb a lot during the Sm4sh speculation period, sometimes on principle, sometimes due to blind hype, so it's ironic for me to take his place for this game's speculation. From there, the question becomes:

It's funny you say that, because, from what I've gathered, we actually had at least some of the same beliefs this time around. I, too, believed in Box Theory and was on #TeamFake with the Grinch leak.

I was also one of the first people, to my knowledge, on any Smash site, to hypothesize that all base game stages had been announced during the August 8th Direct (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76883797).

Even though I was primarily a GameFAQs user for this speculation cycle, I was doing the exact same thing I did here during Smash 4's.

 

[Mc.Rad]

oh we know for sure now that ridley's last two costumes were meta ridley placeholders now pic.twitter.com/p40O4NSRHG

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) November 2, 2018

So umm... anybody notice this?
This is certainly super odd....

 

[Starbound]

Huh. Maybe because this was after the Direct I didn't see it, I dunno.

They said it right before the World of Light trailer.

 

[Nethermoosen]

K Rool's up smash is a gift,

He’s showing Luigi how it’s done.

 

[blackghost]

Echoes are easier than full-on newcomers. But they still cost money, time and manpower. Expecting them for free when Mii costumes aren't even free was never really a fair expectation.

why the hell are people expecting free stuff now? no wonder people have ridiculous expectations.

 

[SuperSceptile15]

*face palm* It's a door opener :/

You seem to have this assumption that characters need to have history with Nintendo to get into Smash, but that's not true. At this point, it's clear that Smash is a celebration of gaming as a whole, not just Nintendo. And so what if KHIII isn't confirmed to be released on the Switch yet? Why would that stop Sora from getting in? I don't think you realize just how much insane hype his inclusion would lead to. The Internet would explode with hype even more than when Cloud was revealed. Geno is a nobody. There is nothing that could be gained by including him in Smash. He is a dead character. He has no games or merchandise coming out. More people need to realize this.