Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[paper roxy]

so are we sure that the first year of 5 dlc is going to be the only dlc we get for ultimate? the switch is obviously gonna last for a while and id honestly expect this to be the last smash game and they just add dlc occasionally

 

[Pakky]

I pour one out for Issac and Shadow,Skull kid (possibly Geno??) that ****ing suck bruh.

Though on the Inceniroar front I'm so happy he spawns ropes, ore thoughts later and yeah i marked out at work again

 

[Nekoo]

Can we all agree, that, Underwhelming direct or not.
That ****ing vocal main theme.
That ****ing ****.
It's dope.

Also that cutscene, the world of light ****ing hype me so much, I love it

 

[Retroator]

Pirahna plant tho

 

[SuperSceptile15]

Why are people so angry at the inclusion of Piranha Plant when they could've just not bothered and ended the character reveals after Incineroar? They just wanted to have some fun and give us an extra gift, but the cancerous Smash community treated it like Sakurai killed their mother.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm so goddamn happy cause this is like the best timeline for me. After Blue pays me in a few hours I'm booting up the eShop ASAP
EDIT: LMAO HE JUST DID AS I POSTED THIS

 

[Kensho]

I'm still laughing over Piranha Plant. That is such a random character and it actually looks like it fits in. The Piranha Plant Posse is going to be too fun next year!

Already got the digital game downloaded and bought the season pass because I had enough gold coins to get it for free.

Also I know this is controversial, but I really like how they cut a lot of the excess fat in the game and really focused on streamlining the experience:

• trophies are gone, which I think is great because they were a total waste of time. Instead, their successor is actually incorporated into the game as a major mechanic while still letting collectors collect them all (there's probably like 10,000 of them).
• side modes like HRC are really just time-wasters that don't really serve a purpose. Canning them helped us get Smashdown and Squad Strike, and that cool looking Century Smash
• stage builder was always gimped by some arbitrary decisions so instead of making it suck again, they put the dev time towards something very polished
• in general, if we lost all of the side non-Smash modes for the adventure mode, I think that's a great deal because this one looks like they fixed all of the problems with Subspace. Seriously, that world is huge! The replay value is probably insane too.

Training mode stage has to be selectable somehow. They'll reuse the menu and just put it in the last box.

You kidding right??? 75% of the spirits mechanics are gatcha filler that we won't be even looking at in a month. Sakurai saw the equipment from smash 4 that NOBODY liked and put stickers on them, but they are still random as ****, he put in farming mechanics and ****ty modes... Jeez, it's hard to be mad after such a cool final cutscene but the rest of the direct was such a downer...

 

[Noipoi]

Man Sonic slowing down to try and save Pikachu is so great to me for some reason.

It's nice to remember Sonic is more than just fast talking and lame jokes from time to time.

The fact that Sonic and Pikachu were paired together is hilarious.

 

[Starbound]

The Inkling trailer was a total tease for Spirits mode!

The Smash logo from their eye is THE SAME logo the possessed characters have.

 

[Chrono.]

Not even goomba level of irrelevant...

Now we're adding ****ing stage hazards.

Green Biker Dude is gonna be LIT.

 

[paper roxy]

The number one first party dlc picks just got murdered. What now?

my plan is to be hyped and pessimistic for geno at the same time. i dont think any insiders deconfirmed geno but if the one se rep we get is sora i think ill actually cry lmao

 

[Kawaki&Boruto98]

mario of all people wasn't shown to be spirit taken lol.

 

[ChronoBound]

ISAAC NOW HAS AN HD MODEL AND TROPHIES ARE GONE

THE LIFE OF AN ISAAC SUPPORTER

At least you are not a Toad supporter. Its the darkest timeline for a supporter of that character is when a generic enemy, a spinoff exclusive character, and a character from a single game released over 20 years ago will all make it in before you. Especially considering the credentials to like three different versions to the character (Toad, Captain Toad, Toadette).

 

[Burb]

I put Verg vs Grinch as a coinflip, but I actively dislike the guy. His mic-drop Isaac AT announcement was childish and mean to the point I thought he might be making it up to be spiteful. I don't owe him anything.

I don't hate insiders, I hate people who are ***** about it.

People were treating Vergeben like garbage for months now.

Even if it was wrong of him to respond to the vitriol with his own vitriol, it's ridiculous to treat him like he's the bad guy in all of this. He wasn't a jerk at all until the fandom started mistreating him.

 

[Deleted member]

 

[Jedisupersonic]

The number one first party dlc picks just got murdered. What now?

Now we go to Namco, SE and such I suppose, along with potential other 3rd party choices that'd fit.

 

[RandysRage]

Forget the Grinch.

Incineroar is the one TRUE heel.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

BTW someone should make this a Meme.

Rocket Raccoon: The Last Guardian
Kirby: The Last Smasher

Come on! Do it! Do it!

 

[Mutsukki]

By the way... no new remixes for Xenoblade, sigh...

And seems like old music is still botched (Gaur Plains only runs for 2:26...) buuuuut... seems like new tracks are ok to go over 2 minutes, like the other ones added. I guess we're still dealing with an incomplete DK Rap, but if something bigger gets added that one won't have any problems.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

Removal of trophies? And Medusa still has yet to be seen and was indeed a trophy in Smash 4... Get ready for Medusa dlc!

 

[Deleted member]

Forget the Grinch.

Incineroar is the one TRUE heel.

I am interested to play as Incineroar.

 

[KingofKoopas]

Hey kids were gonna bring back Wave Dashing and all that fun melee crap...

(6 months late)

Heres a bunch of glorified stickers that add a bunch of weird stats to throw the meta game into hell and also no For Glory


I mean i aint no competitive Smasher but i can imagine theyre not very happy today

 

[bountyhunta87]

Not really, making so many models for no purpose is a real time sink for a game with so tight development time.

Though, I loved Stickers, so I'm biased.

And now they at least do something or rather have some use (loved trophies and their bios tho), and im guessing there is going to be over a thousand spirits...
(I'm gonna lvl up the hell outta tha Tsubasa spirit)

 

[Lady Byakugan]

Now that the site is working a bit more stable here are my thoughts:

Ken - Cool addition.

Icineroar - Garbage tbh. I hate the over representation Pokemon and FE get, and in the case of Icineroar, there are far better options for pokemon. Icinerorar doesn't even look or fight like a pokemon, just a generic wrestling moveset. Man, screw the furries for this one.

Pirahan plant - this is such an unfunny joke. A slap in the face to every smash fan. I'm not surprised it's free since they know no one would buy that thing. A whole character slot dedicated to a common enemy character? Over Shadow, Geno, Isaac, Bandana Dee, Toad, and so many other great characters, you choose this? And no, don't even begin to compare a mario plant to Rob or GW or WFT. All three of those were highly successful products that sold millions and/or put nintendo on the map.

And then you have the fact that this game is being hyped as the ultimate smash game, the ultimate video game crossover with reps from SO MANY companies and legendary series, where every smash character ever gets to duke it out with one another alongside 3rd parties like Megaman and Cloud, with Sakurai himself stating he is well aware of which characters are popular and which ones fans want (hence Simon, Ridley, and K Rool). But instead of picking someone iconic to stand alongside all the other great characters in the game, we get a damn plant? Just no.

Something deep down tells me the pirhana plant is a "take that" from Sakurai to the Waluigi fans who harassed him, hence why it is so late in development. Sounds outlandish, but it's the only way I can convince my brain to accept this.

And Shadow! My god, what the heck??? what a let down. If he wasn't gonna even be an echo why the hell was he hidden all this time? Wish he'd just gotten the goddamn Ashley treatment already. Same goes for Isaac. That said, the only way I can accept Shadow not being an Echo for a 3 time veteran like Sonic when newcomers like Ryu and Simon got them is if they are planning Tails or Eggman as DLC.

Overall, there is no way I am buying this game or a switch. K Rool and Ridley are the only non-echo newcomers I cared for (and Young Link but I don't think he counts). No Shadow, No Skull Kid, No Geno. Yeah, I'll stick with the Wii u version for what it's worth. And there's no damn way I'm wasting 6 dollars on 5 characters each.

 

[osby]

Man Sonic slowing down to try and save Pikachu is so great to me for some reason.

It's nice to remember Sonic is more than just fast talking and lame jokes from time to time.

He's really selfless, no? I'm sure he didn't even think about himself.

Actually, World of Light was ****ing great. It was just right amount of drama and comedy.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Underwhelming, or just overhyped?

Overhyped

Everyone set their expectations too high and they came crashing with all the salt around here. It's nothing new with final characters since Brawl but c'mon guys at least some common sense

 

[KiBom]

Really hope Incineroars has a green alt so I can tag up as the Grinch.

 

[WolfCypher]

Everytime Incineroar whiffs Revenge, it grabs its crouch...

 

[paper roxy]

Why are people so angry at the inclusion of Piranha Plant when they could've just not bothered and ended the character reveals after Incineroar? They just wanted to have some fun and give us an extra gift, but the cancerous Smash community treated it like Sakurai killed their mother.

at this point im just glad nintendo has some reference to the mario rpg games playable (putrid pirannha attack) but i dont think ill ever get over how incineroar was a base roster pick over literally any of the other fan favorites

 

[GoeGoe]

I put Verg vs Grinch as a coinflip, but I actively dislike the guy. His mic-drop Isaac AT announcement was childish and mean to the point I thought he might be making it up to be spiteful. I don't owe him anything.
I don't hate insiders, I hate people who are ***** about it.

It's not like I'll force you to, take it easy. I'm just putting out like this. Though, I didn't feel hit Issac AT post was childish. When someone drives himself to give something to the community then gets so doubted and rejected despite all the effort, this is really nothing. It is actually.

He should get an apology, but he was NOT right about everything, otherwise we would have gotten Minecraft content and a Square Enix rep. And don't say, "he meant for DLC!" That is not what he said.

No he didn't mean DLC but it's a possibility. He didn't say it'll be introduced at this Direct either.. so..

 

[MaestroDavros]

After I've let it sit for a bit.. in my opinion..

GOOD
- Incineroar looks much better than I had anticipated him looking, I expected him to be a clone of Bowser so I'm pleasently surprised.
- Ken looks a lot more fleshed out that other echos.
- Piranha Plant looks really fun to play. I always like odd picks and he's a very odd pick.
- My favourites' chances just really shot up, I never really expected them for base game.
- King K Rool is still playable.
- Actually having matchmaking is a huge positive for online.

MEH
- Spirits doesn't look as exciting as Subspace or Adventure, but we'll see.
- I was kind of expecting more than 103 stages (I know, that's a lot, but new 4 stages for launch is a bit low in my opinion).
- Sakurai is locking himself to only 6 DLC, Smash 4 had 7 and that was stretched out over 2 years, this is going to be done in 1.
- Online doesn't seem explained well to me at all.

BAD
- Where did Home Run Contest go?
- No demo, will it be released later?
- The direct itself was a mess, content aside, 20 minutes was decided to what felt like filler.

All in all I'm content, expected a bit more, but not really let done for the most part. 7/10

Pretty much my thoughts in a nutshell. Only thing I have to add is that I'm slightly disappointed that we don't seem to be getting any echoes as DLC. In fact, there seems to be a lot less variety with DLC this time around (just 5 packs with 1 character, 1 stage and some music each, plus Piranha Plant), when I was hoping for more variety (echoes, alternate costumes, etc.).

 

[Untouch]

Hey kids were gonna bring back Wave Dashing and all that fun melee crap...

(6 months late)

Heres a bunch of glorified stickers that add a bunch of weird stats to throw the meta game into hell and also no For Glory


I mean i aint no competitive Smasher but i can imagine theyre not very happy today

there is absolutely no way that stickers will even for 1 microsecond be considered legal

 

[SuperSceptile15]

So who will the five DLC characters be? Place your bets everyone! I'd say we might get:
1. Sora
2. Banjo-Kazooie
3. Waluigi (yes I know he's already an Assist but this is Sakurai we're dealing with here)
4. Fire Emblem Three Houses rep
5. Gen 8 Pokemon rep

 

[Dcas]

Well, ill never believe any leaks when it comes to smash games.
Ill assume the worst possible scenario all the times.

As simple as making this direct in august and the august one in november with the added trailer and everyone will be happy, there would be ****talk indeed but at least we would have known from MONTHS that the top favorite were only gimmicks and stickers. So then we could have recieved the megaton that were the belmont and k rool.

 

[hazza5557]

Is the Season Pass thing available now? If it is, how can I get it?

 

[KamikazePotato]

Honestly? Not sure if I'm getting the game after that Direct. I didn't even believe in Grinch and I'm *still* left feeling hollow.

 

[Starbound]

You kidding right??? 75% of the spirits mechanics are gatcha filler that we won't be even looking at in a month. Sakurai saw the equipment from smash 4 that NOBODY liked and put stickers on them, but they are still random as ****, he put in farming mechanics and ****ty modes... Jeez, it's hard to be mad after such a cool final cutscene but the rest of the direct was such a downer...

Trophies were already gacha so I don't see how this is any different.

And we'll have to disagree on the direct being a downer because I was hyped the whole time.

 

[CroonerMike]

Now that the site is working a bit more stable here are my thoughts:

Ken - Cool addition.

Icineroar - Garbage tbh. I hate the over representation Pokemon and FE get, and in the case of Icineroar, there are far better options for pokemon. Icinerorar doesn't even look or fight like a pokemon, just a generic wrestling moveset. Man, screw the furries for this one.

Pirahan plant - this is such an unfunny joke. A slap in the face to every smash fan. I'm not surprised it's free since they know no one would buy that thing. A whole character slot dedicated to a common enemy character? Over Shadow, Geno, Isaac, Bandana Dee, Toad, and so many other great characters, you choose this? And no, don't even begin to compare a mario plant to Rob or GW or WFT. All three of those were highly successful products that sold millions and/or put nintendo on the map.

And then you have the fact that this game is being hyped as the ultimate smash game, the ultimate video game crossover with reps from SO MANY companies and legendary series, where every smash character ever gets to duke it out with one another alongside 3rd parties like Megaman and Cloud, with Sakurai himself stating he is well aware of which characters are popular and which ones fans want (hence Simon, Ridley, and K Rool). But instead of picking someone iconic to stand alongside all the other great characters in the game, we get a damn plant? Just no.

Something deep down tells me the pirhana plant is a "take that" from Sakurai to the Waluigi fans who harassed him, hence why it is so late in development. Sounds outlandish, but it's the only way I can convince my brain to accept this.

And Shadow! My god, what the heck??? what a let down. If he wasn't gonna even be an echo why the hell was he hidden all this time? Wish he'd just gotten the goddamn Ashley treatment already. Same goes for Isaac. That said, the only way I can accept Shadow not being an Echo for a 3 time veteran like Sonic when newcomers like Ryu and Simon got them is if they are planning Tails or Eggman as DLC.

Overall, there is no way I am buying this game or a switch. K Rool and Ridley are the only non-echo newcomers I cared for (and Young Link but I don't think he counts). No Shadow, No Skull Kid, No Geno. Yeah, I'll stick with the Wii u version for what it's worth. And there's no damn way I'm wasting 6 dollars on 5 characters each.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You'll end up buying it anyway.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

So..........


Gonna make some people go a bit crazy here, but....



5 DLC characters+Stages, right?



Then why does the stage select screen have room for SIX stages? If we're not getting a DLC button, Random is accounted for, and Stage Builder seems to be gone.... why are there 6, not 5?

Future-proofing. The Switch has at least another four years left in it, and if Smash DLC sells well (which you know it will), they could plan another season. ~10 characters seems reasonable enough given the scope of the game and the Switch's success.

I love that we’re willing “Grinched” as a term into existence

Can we get an edit of this with the Grinch's face on it?

 

[SneakDuckens]

So, I am super disappointed that the leak turned out to be false, because I really wanted Shadow, but I have to admit, Incineroar looks pretty dope. Do you guys think that the 5 packs will be the only DLC? Or with Nintendo's recent push to add content to it's older games do you think that there might be some surprises sprinkled in? Perhaps an Echo Fighter?