Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Omega Tyrant]

No, you're still not quite getting it.

You can't afford to go to tournaments, at which point you're not competing and thus there's nothing to be "disadvantaged" over.

I fail to see how this response relates to anything that it's responding to. If I want to make something and give it to someone for free, that's my right. Free DLC exists. It's out there.

As the adage goes, "time is money", if you're so aware of the value of money, you should certainly be aware of the value of time and not just give it away for free to other people nor are you entitled to the fruits of other people's time for free.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh okay, thanks for the warning. Though I personally have no problem with NSFW images, but that's a topic for another thread

Uhhh, which thread?

 

[Cap'n Jack]

So is the Grinch leak still going strong?

Yes, it is

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Let's move on from the anime/DLC/art arguments, please.

Also, please do not post media-only replies(that includes linking to just an image).

Please do not double post either. Edit your messages instead.

Any other rule I forgot to mention that's relevant to the situation?

 

[EndlessPillows]

https://i.imgur.com/uSigudb.png

Ugh. This would be so.. sooooo awesome.

 

[Vrbtm]

animoo

Sigh, I knew someone was going to bring this up.

A video game having an anime does not make it an anime.

Fire Emblem is anime-inspired, but it disgusts me less because it is less anime-inspired than Xenoblade. This is not complicated.

I mean yeah, I can get the VCR but they want more money and added thingd that weren't on the VCR. Outrageous right?

...

You're clearly not equipped for this conversation, so I'm going to end it here. Thanks for playing.

Guess what DLC is?

Not a bonus feature in the slightest? Especially when it's playable characters, which are the CORE of the game?

A better analogy: you pay full price for a ticket to watch a movie, but you have to pay a 10% extra to watch the post-credits sequence.

That's what DLC is.

Why are you guys arguing about something so stupid, if you don't like DLC just don't buy it!

Because I consider it a problem with the industry that is worth discussing.

Corporations are evil. Fact.

You are entitled to content that is on the disc. Expecting rights on DLC, just because you paid for the base game is illogical.

How?

Your anti-anime tirade sounds racist as **** mate. Like an entire industry of Japanese can't do anything right. Literally lumping thousands of very, very different productions into one because it comes from Japan. Seriously?

It's not because it comes from Japan.

 

[Maxoxpower]

https://i.imgur.com/uSigudb.png

but why create that in France? i'm sure japan got plenty of print material company that are more safe against leak

At the end of the day..i trust no vergeben, no fake leak, no grinch leak , no insider , not my friend papagenos.
NOPE im waiting the direct , is that simple

 

[Cristaran]

I don’t get it?

The Grinch leak and the arm band

 

[MSmariosonic]

But....essentially you are.

Like when you set down to play Chrom in Smash Ultimate for example. You are literally playing someone's hard work. A person designed him, drew him, they made him into a 3D model based off that art and that person is also an artist because of that, then a person voiced him, etc.

Doesn't that make any human creation in existence art?

I mean those vessels the Europeans used to travel to the new world are also considered art right? Since they were designed, built and well thought out before being sent on their maiden voyage?

For the record I do consider most forms of entertainment art

 

[Untouch]

In the grinch leak battle royale, chorus kids are still living, and at least I can still be happy about that.
I saw someone mention that a DQ character cannot be in because it cannot get a music post. I thought the music theory was dead, fitting for it to return on halloween as a ghost of it's former self.

 

[Vrbtm]

Let's move on from the anime/DLC/art arguments, please.

Also, please do not post media-only replies(that includes linking to just an image).

Please do not double post either. Edit your messages instead.

Any other rule I forgot to mention that's relevant to the situation?

I'm only seeing this post now, just so you know. I will drop it if everyone else does.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Also FE GBA was the absolute best kind of anime trash. Just look at these sprites.

Apparently Roy has a little bit of a harem as well which is also anime I guess, but that's not the cool part. Those sprites though? Those are cool.

Edit: Sorry Spirit Tamer, I'll stop arguing now.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

99 pages left,
Anyways, what did I miss while I was asleep?

 

[Amiibo Doctor]

Let's move on from the anime/DLC/art arguments, please.

Also, please do not post media-only replies(that includes linking to just an image).

Please do not double post either. Edit your messages instead.

Any other rule I forgot to mention that's relevant to the situation?

Be excellent to each other?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'm only seeing this post now, just so you know. I will drop it if everyone else does.

To be fair, I posted it barely before you posted.

But yes, everybody dropping it is a good idea.

 

[Pyra]

Let's move on from the anime/DLC/art arguments, please.

Also, please do not post media-only replies(that includes linking to just an image).

Please do not double post either. Edit your messages instead.

Any other rule I forgot to mention that's relevant to the situation?

Nah you're good boldmod.
Other than arguing about the morality of THE MAN
ROW ROW, FIGHT DA POWAH

i can't believe "evil corporations" are actually a minor subject right now

i'm kidding don't hurt me redname
i have scars from the last infractions

 

[Grippy_Toad]

If a crayon drawing on the fridge could be considered art then so can Bubsy.

 

[Deleted member]

If a crayon drawing on the fridge could be considered art then so can Bubsy.

We're supposed to stop with the art arguments

 

[PLATINUM7]

Doesn't that make any human creation in existence art?

I mean those vessels the Europeans used to travel to the new world are also considered art right? Since they were designed, built and well thought out before being sent on their maiden voyage?

For the record I do consider most forms of entertainment art

If you're really into ships, then yeah.

People will consider cars art. There's a creative aspect in designing vehicles becuase they each have their own visual design.

 

[Deleted member]

Corporations are evil. Opinion.

Fixed that for you. And for the sake of this thread, we're done here mate.

 

[Wiziliz]

but why create that in France? i'm sure japan got plenty of print material company that are more safe against leak

At the end of th day..i trust no vergeben, no fake leak, no grinch leak , no insider , not my friend papagenos.
NOPE im waiting the direct , is that simple

That's actually a very good point. ****.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Said I wasn't going to involve myself, but I'll just ask a question - do you think there's a difference between art and artistic efforts?

Trust me I will be the first one to fight that most videogames are art. Gotta admit though, I'm on the fence on whether a fighting game is art. Just my opinion though!

I mean it depends on what you mean by artistic efforts. Like if someone tries to say sing but they're not that great at it? Or like a little kid drawing a picture but it's just stick figures or what?

Now I'll admit certain games are hollow and they don't have much content art wise, but even to a degree even the most hollow of like films and music and books and what not, all had some degree of artistic merit put into them.

I do think however that not everyone can be an artist? Some people just cut are not out for it, because most mediums take a lot of work and practice.

 

[SoccerStar9001]

To be fair, I posted it barely before you posted.

But yes, everybody dropping it is a good idea.

I almost ask you guys to calm things down, but wondered if you think these discussion is fine.

 

[Cristaran]

Be excellent to each other?

Remember that every person here has layers, like an onion?

 

[osby]

You really can't compare Fox in Melee to Bayo in Smash 4, Bayo gets hate from the competitive community because:
1. She's by far the best character.
2. She has way too many tools that give her an answer to practically every situation.
3. She's pretty easy to get good at.
4. A combination of all three means she's both awful to play against aswell as watch.

Fox is the best character in Melee, but not by as great a distance as Bayo, he even has some even matchups. He also has by far the highest skill ceiling in the game, which not only means that there's more respect for people who reach the absolute top with him as they've put in a ton of work to get there, but also that they can't always consistently pull off victories in easy or cheap manners. Lastly, a great Fox is just so much fun to watch, he's one of the most entertaining top tier characters in any fighting game.

The competitive community usually doesn't care one bit about a character's origins and who he/she is, the fact of the matter is just that Bayonetta was incredibly oppressive to the Smash 4 meta, which was in an otherwise good place before her. Whether you like Bayo or not it's hard to deny that she needs changes in Ultimate.

I'm not denying that people hated her beforehand though, but the speculation and competitive community is not tied very tightly together.

Bayonetta DOES need nerfs (and she got them, as much as some doesn't want to admit it), but Fox literally had his own tier in Melee and he was better than a character that can do zero-to-deaths by pummeling. Also, how fun a character is to fight against is kinda subjective. I dislike playing against Fox or Cloud more than I do with Bayonetta.

 

[Pyra]

Remember that every person here has layers, like an onion?

Thank goodness. I was worried about whether or not i'd be delicious.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Hey guys!

In less than 2 hours, the Direct will officially be at the 24 hour mark!

ARE YOU GUUUUUUYS HYYYYYYYYYYYPED??!!!


Sorry, a little drunk...

 

[Deleted member]

Welp! Moving on, who are you looking forward to playing as in Ultimate? I have to try out . I need too.

 

[Paperchampion23]

after the direct it'll just be a DLC morality war between people who don't mind and people who mind waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much

That's exactly when I exit the discussion on this game. The drought will be far too long and too slow to even bother talking about DLC. It'll be like going from Ridley to Isabelle for a few years I'm sure in terms of waiting for them.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

All this talk of nerfs and I'm just looking forward to Zelda getting buffed to usable levels

 

[Cristaran]

Hey guys!

In less than 2 hours, the Direct will officially be at the 24 hour mark!

ARE YOU GUUUUUUYS HYYYYYYYYYYYPED??!!!


Sorry, a little drunk...

YEAAAAAAH LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Mehdow]

That's actually a very good point. ****.

It's probably being created everywhere, the same wristband, we just saw the French one leaked

 

[G Rank Zinogre]

The back and forth on part of the insiders definitely leans me more towards the leak being the real deal. Seems like none of them actually know what's even happening.

 

[Wiziliz]

Ugh. This would be so.. sooooo awesome.

Agreed.
And I still think it's a pretty likely outcome.
But as someone else pointed out, why would it be made in France?

 

[Deleted member]

Hey guys!

In less than 2 hours, the Direct will officially be at the 24 hour mark!

ARE YOU GUUUUUUYS HYYYYYYYYYYYPED??!!!


Sorry, a little drunk...

Hell yes! Thursday morning can't come soon enough!

 

[ZephyrZ]

Then explain the Meta Knight hate

I mean I know almost nothing about competitive Brawl (admittedly I don't know that much about competitive Melee either), but from my understanding Fox and Bayo wish they could be half as broken as Brawl Meta Knight. He's toxic from sheer over centralization to a degree Bayo hasn't even gotten close to reaching.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Hey guys!

In less than 2 hours, the Direct will officially be at the 24 hour mark!

ARE YOU GUUUUUUYS HYYYYYYYYYYYPED??!!!


Sorry, a little drunk...

Not that the possible fake leak killed the hype for me, but I know I'm gonna be pretty mixed tmrw regardless if it's not real. I love the game already. I wanted heavies and they gave me Ridley and K. Rool, but that stupid leak roster honestly can't be topped, and i know I set myself up for disappointment in getting too excited for it (not that I regret it, it just sucks)

But yeah, bring on the direct! At least tmrw should be surprising regardless.

 

[Pyra]

Hey guys!

In less than 2 hours, the Direct will officially be at the 24 hour mark!

ARE YOU GUUUUUUYS HYYYYYYYYYYYPED??!!!


Sorry, a little drunk...

Moreso than I let on.
If I wasn't able to suppress my unreasonably inhuman levels of hype, I'd be posting in tongues by now

 

[Metal Shop X]

Welp! Moving on, who are you looking forward to playing as in Ultimate? I have to try out . I need too.

Probably , yeah, I know she is just a echo, but dang, her animations are so good. I just want to see all the work they done to her.

That, and I intend to try out everyone anyway, so, yeah.

 

[Deleted member]

I made another Smash Direct Meme: