Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[CantGetRidOfTheRidley]

There is no such thing as this all inclusing Nintendo feel. People try to make Nintendo into Disney, but the truth of the matter is. Nintendo genre hops and theme hops far more than Disney ever has.

I mean....Fatal Frame? Eternal Darkness? Do they have the "Nintendo feel"?

Bayonetta isn't their only M rated franchise or venture into darker corners.

Remember that time Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean opened with a kid being hung? Disney has plenty of more adult ventures that may not seem Disney but still are (especially counting stuff they own in proxy), probably more than Nintendo has. I think waving off the idea there's a Nintendo feel to their games because they've published some M rated titles in the past is a bit odd.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Because Day 1 / On-the-Disc DLC has no excuse not to be in the base game. DLC that was developed after release usually does. That's why I'm not opposed to it - we probably wouldn't even get that content if it wasn't DLC, and in a world without DLC I never would have gotten to play as Mewtwo in Smash 4.

Day 1 DLC can be legitimate and isn't necessarily "withheld content" from the base game; during the last stretch of development it's pretty much all balancing and debugging, where during this portion of development your art team/asset makers have nothing to do, so you can set them off to making some DLC. Then about a month or so before release the game goes gold, where development is finished on it and the game is sent off to have copies produced and everything else, at which point the rest of the development team has nothing to do, where you can then have them work on those aforementioned newly created DLC assets to get something ready for download by Day 1 or finish content that couldn't be finished in time that can then be released as Day 1 DLC.

 

[SoccerStar9001]

What did I miss?
This Mystic guy is hinting at a shocking third party and then closed his tweeter? I tough the Emily rogers leaker said he was wrong, can someone help me understand what happened? In chronological order if possible

Vergeben call Isaac an assist trophy.
Mystic disagree and say he believe Isaac is playable.
Emily say she does not agree with Mystic at all.
Mystic agrees with Emily and believe her over himself.

Also I despair a lot.

 

[Pyra]

I don't hate any characters in Smash. The closest I come to that emotion is when a character is revealed whose game I've never played. But then I play their game and know their character and see how they fit into Smash.

I'd never played Mega Man until Smash 4 announcement, then boom played 1-10 in like 2 months.

Anyway, I'm more hyped for tomorrow to find out about the modes. I can't wait to play the SP, collect the trophies, and have it not feel like a chore a la Smash 4.

I also don't particularly hate characters. The characters introduced from games I've never played usually compel me to play them. I'll get around to Bayonetta and Metal Gear eventually. And Final Fantasy 7. And others.

I pretty much love every character, though there has to be a bottom of my list, at least when it comes to how I reacted to their reveal.

 

[Vrbtm]

If you're a competitive player, you're going to be spending vastly more money to travel and enter tournaments than you will on some DLC, and unless you're in like the top 5-10% of your region or intentionally only enter weak tournaments you can win, you're going to end up very negative financially, far far far more than you spent on the game if you enter tournaments with any regularity. If you have the money to burn on tournaments, you can certainly afford to throw some extra bucks on DLC to get that practice for tournaments.

Not the point.

 

[Pyra]

after the direct it'll just be a DLC morality war between people who don't mind and people who mind waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much

 

[Vrbtm]

I mean....Fatal Frame? Eternal Darkness? Do they have the "Nintendo feel"?

Bayonetta isn't their only M rated franchise or venture into darker corners.

Yeah, but you're forgetting one thing: None of these are Nintendo IPs.

Published by Nintendo? Yes, but that's not close to the same thing.

 

[PLATINUM7]

It's been years since I played the game, but I don't recall the ''family friendly" image that Nintendo typically has. If anything it felt more like to me at the time Nintendo's own attempt at Resident Evil's vibes.

It was released when Nintendo were trying to have a "mature and hardcore" market of games alongside their usual titles after the success of titles like Turok on the N64 and Playstation's own success in areas like that. Nintendo had some very experimental titles during the Gamecube era. By nature of what was in Eternal Darkness and what Nintendo wanted, it obviously wasn't going to be horror like Luigi's Mansion. The insanity meter having things like false file deletions, pretending to adjust the volume of your TV and the like helped still give it some Nintendo personality.

So what I'm getting at is, I don't associate the Nintendo feel that people like to talk about being a kid friendly aspect but rather it's to do with aspects of game design. It's part of why I think Metal Gear is a good fit amongst Nintendo series in Smash. The games may look like a realistic war story (with mechs and convoluted plots) but there's a lot of interactivity in the games that I feel like it could pass off as Nintendo's attempt at a game targeted to the "mature crowd". MGSV has a lot of, "If you think it will, it probably will" moments similar to BotW that garnered Nintendo so much praise.

 

[Deleted member]

after the direct it'll just be a DLC morality war between people who don't mind and people who mind waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much

This. When it does happen, I'll have my popcorn at the ready.

 

[Wiziliz]

So apparently Vergeben is saying Isaac is an AT. Well, you had a good run, Verge.

Looks like there's only one person left who we can trust...

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Nah, we can only trust Sakurai.

 

[SmileyLeet]

Vergeben call Isaac an assist trophy.
Mystic disagree and say he believe Isaac is playable.
Emily say she does not agree with Mystic at all.
Mystic agrees with Emily and believe her over himself.

Also I despair a lot.

Ok so the "shocking third party" is confirmed fake news? Or it happened after all this?

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

A Summary of Insiders this whole leak:

Before direct announcement:
"I think its real but uh, also think its fake cause no Fire cat and background"

After Direct Announcement:
"LEAK HAS AT IN IT, 1000% FAKE CAUSE THERE ARE AT IN IT TRUST ME GUYS, THAT INCLUDES ISSAC"

 

[osby]

Yeah, but you're forgetting one thing: None of these are Nintendo IPs.

Published by Nintendo? Yes, but that's not close to the same thing.

I'm pretty sure Fatal Frame is a Nintendo IP.

 

[Vrbtm]

The game is finished either way. The DLC doesn't make the game anymore finished.

This is an oxymoron for obvious reasons.

Your food analogies don't work because video games are not just disposable products to me. They're art.

 

[lurxy]

I was away the last days, was the grinch leak Debunked or are you guys talking about what the Insiders have to say?

 

[TheBlue10]

Only because you don't find it insulting. For some reason. Your prerogative.

At this point, I can't see you having a discussion about DLC, rather you're just trying to tell everyone how DLC is the spawn of Satan and whatnot.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

after the direct it'll just be a DLC morality war between people who don't mind and people who mind waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much

Also the inevitable "**** YOU SAKURAI THIS ISN'T THE CHARACTER I WANTED HOW DARE YOU I WILL HATE YOU FOREVER MORE". Bonus points if 3 years later they go "Oh thank you Sakurai, this means a lot to us, we'll make a thank you card. By the way that thing from 3 years ago is still bull****"

 

[I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!]

I just wanted to share this with you guys.

 

[Deleted member]

This is an oxymoron for obvious reasons.

Your food analogies don't work because video games are not just disposable products to me. They're art.

Well, there's your problem right there.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Yeah, but you're forgetting one thing: None of these are Nintendo IPs.

Published by Nintendo? Yes, but that's not close to the same thing.

Nintendo co-owns Fatal Frame (as far as a citation trail goes, it's hard to say for sure) and they actually own Eternal Darkness. If they didn't own Eternal Darkness, they wouldn't renew its trademark every few years and Denis Dyack would have made crowdfunding campaigns for a sequel, not a spiritual successor.

 

[Vrbtm]

I'm pretty sure Fatal Frame is a Nintendo IP.

Regardless, it was originally developed by Tecmo.

 

[I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!]

Yeah, but you're forgetting one thing: None of these are Nintendo IPs.

Published by Nintendo? Yes, but that's not close to the same thing.

Eternal Darkness is a Nintendo IP-
https://www.trademarkia.com/eternal-darkness-87274495.html

 

[Luigifan18]

At this point, I can't see you having a discussion about DLC, rather you're just trying to tell everyone how DLC is the spawn of Satan and whatnot.

Ugggghhhhhh... it's CH2001 all over again...

 

[Cutie Gwen]

At this point, I can't see you having a discussion about DLC, rather you're just trying to tell everyone how DLC is the spawn of Satan and whatnot.

I mean, Corrin and Bayonetta were apparantly hellspawn for some people

 

[ThatOneAnon]

This is an oxymoron for obvious reasons.

Your food analogies don't work because video games are not just disposable products to me. They're art.

Video games are not art.

 

[Vrbtm]

Xenoblade totally doesn't "feel" like a Nintendo game imo, or at least X and 2 don't (I've admittedly never played 1). Clunky, poorly polished platforming? Textures that load while on screen? Brain dead gameplay that still somehow manages to be overly complex? It's like the polar opposite of Mario. Man I'm making it sound like I really hate Xenoblade here, I actually really loved Xenoblade X.

Yet it's still a Nintendo game all the same and no one seems to be arguing against Shulk being in the roster (aside from dumb anime swordsmen arguments which was a long time ago for him). Whoever it was that said 3rd party characters have cooties wasn't kidding.

I would definitely argue that Xenoblade has no place in Smash, but I'm biased against anime trash.

 

[Smartiicals]

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I just wanted to share this with you guys.

Nintendo will fake certain graphics that will be better than their roster to generate false hype and then let fans down just to find leaks?

mmmmm

 

[Luigifan18]

Eternal Darkness is a Nintendo IP-
https://www.trademarkia.com/eternal-darkness-87274495.html

IIRC, Nintendo actually patented its "fake-out game crash/save corrupt/console go screwy" insanity effects.

 

[MSmariosonic]

This is an oxymoron for obvious reasons.

Your food analogies don't work because video games are not just disposable products to me. They're art.

Yeah..

I don't think many people buy video games just because they're artistic

 

[I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!]

I'm pretty sure Fatal Frame is a Nintendo IP.

You would be wrong, my friend-
https://www.trademarkia.com/fatal-frame-78096019.html

 

[Vrbtm]

I feel like I've gone back to when DLC was becoming common and everyone just indiscriminately called it all a scam.

That would be because that's all it is.

I come from that era. I never changed my mind and I probably never will.

 

[ZephyrZ]

My favorite part about all this Grinch leak drama is that we're treating all insiders like some sort of hivemind or secret cult that all share the same credentials, personalities and beliefs. Like if one insider says something rude or backtracks then they all did.

I would definitely argue that Xenoblade has no place in Smash, but I'm biased against anime trash.

*Glances at avatar*

Ironic.

 

[osby]

Also the inevitable "**** YOU SAKURAI THIS ISN'T THE CHARACTER I WANTED HOW DARE YOU I WILL HATE YOU FOREVER MORE". Bonus points if 3 years later they go "Oh thank you Sakurai, this means a lot to us, we'll make a thank you card. By the way that thing from 3 years ago is still bull****"

This feels like a very specific complaints and I think I know why.

Regardless, it was originally developed by Tecmo.

And Pokemon is developed by Game Freak.

 

[kirbsmash]

None of the characters are even 'anime' (A.k.a an cartoon )

 

[Deleted member]

I would definitely argue that Xenoblade has no place in Smash, but I'm biased against anime trash.

*He says, as he has a photo of Roy as his avatar*

 

[PLATINUM7]

I would definitely argue that Xenoblade has no place in Smash, but I'm biased against anime trash.

Biased against anime trash.

But you have Roy as your avatar?

 

[osby]

You would be wrong, my friend-
https://www.trademarkia.com/fatal-frame-78096019.html

My bad, thanks. If you need any more proof that I'm an idiot.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I would definitely argue that Xenoblade has no place in Smash, but I'm biased against anime trash.

*looks at avatar*
Bull ****ing **** you are

Video games are not art.

I mean, what IS 'art'? That's the issue. Cause it means different things. Granted, this guy is acting like movies are art but special edition DVDs with bonus features are bad

 

[Tornado_Man]

I find it pointless to be biased against any character because as long as there are those who enjoy them, then they are justified. Others' happiness is more important than some personal criteria. Just my two cents.

Plus the "anime" argument is dumb. Seriously.

 

[I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!]

This feels like a very specific complaints and I think I know why.



And Pokemon is developed by Game Freak.

Who primarily owns Pokémon?
https://www.trademarkia.com/pokmon-85829856.html

(that particular trademark info is for merch, but look at any of them and you will see that Nintendo will always be listed)