Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[N3ON]

wait, what did mystic say? cant see his tweet since its protected

Last I heard he said that Emily thoroughly disagreeing with what he had heard was good enough for him, and he deferred to her knowledge. Also that he had received multiple warnings from credible people that he should set his twitter to private by tomorrow (now today).

 

[Jetsurge]

Prediction: DLC will be a season pass this time instead of paying separately for every character

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

Some conflicting opinions as usual, also Mystic agreed with Emily about Geno and Isaac not being in smash and locked his account or something

Oh god now he's riding on this bs too?

 

[Paperchampion23]

The thing I like is that every single one of the 7 characters for DLC were not actually available till after the Wii U version. They were extra work. I felt it fair to pay for each of them. Maybe the prices were perhaps a little high, but they were all unique work. The lack of on-disc DLC was a great thing and done really well. Some of the other content, like Mii costumes perhaps could've costed a bit less, yeah.

Not only that, but we waited like 5 months for Mewtwo. They literally started working on him after the 3ds version released.

 

[cooldude17]

Last I heard he said that Emily thoroughly disagreeing with what he had heard was good enough for him, and he deferred to her knowledge. Also that he had received multiple warnings from credible people that he should set his twitter to private by tomorrow (now today).

Wow two leakers getting different info from their insiders it’s almost like insiders get lied to or something.

what exactly does the tweet say is what i mean?

 

[Vrbtm]

After all these years...

We fought for so long...

Yeah sorry, I think Sakurai was completely right. Shrinking him down just to make him playable was a bad idea.

I guess part of me is glad that everyone is happy he's in the game, but... another part of me is upset that nobody but me seems to care about portraying Ridley as he was always portrayed in his own games (see: enormous). And I swear to god, don't bring up Metroid 1.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Never had an issue with the price of the DLC characters

Games like Smash have a big replay value

If you buy a character for only 5,- you'll have that character for as long as you have a game

It's like buying popcorn and soda for a movie expect that popcorn lasts forever

Just skip a week of buying chocolate bars from vending machines and voila! You have enough for a newcomer!

Odd comparison I know but just go with it

 

[Paperchampion23]

Some conflicting opinions as usual, also Mystic agreed with Emily about Geno and Isaac not being in smash and locked his account or something

Wait she said that too? I though it was just the AT comment and nothing about those 2 specifically.

 

[The_Intruder]

If the Grinch leak is false, I'll hold it against the person who made it, not Sakurai and the team that made Smash. The only thing that can actually bring the game down from greatness is if Steve and Incineroar were the final unique newcomers in the base roster, but with forty minutes, and Sakurai trying to make this game blow us away (which he already has) as much as he can, I do not see that happening.

The problem is a lot of people are not gonna reasoning like this and I expect a lot of hate on nintendo or sakurai twitter account unfortunately.

 

[osby]

Yeah sorry, I think Sakurai was completely right. Shrinking him down just to make him playable was a bad idea.

I guess part of me is glad that everyone is happy he's in the game, but... another part of me is upset that nobody but me seems to care about portraying Ridley as he was always portrayed in his own games (see: enormous). And I swear to god, don't bring up Metroid 1.

I don't even like Ridley but: Nobody seems to care about portraying Olimar as he was always portrayed in his own games (see: miniscule), too.

 

[Cristaran]

Never had an issue with the price of the DLC characters

Games like Smash have a big replay value

If you buy a character for only 5,- you'll have that character for as long as you have a game

It's like buying popcorn and soda for a movie expect that popcorn lasts forever

Just skip a week of buying chocolate bars from vending machines and voila! You have enough for a newcomer!

Odd comparison I know but just go with it

I like your comparison


Also im hungry now

 

[Buzzwole]

I just want this to be over. Just one more day and the speculation can finally end....

 

[TheBlue10]

Yeah sorry, I think Sakurai was completely right. Shrinking him down just to make him playable was a bad idea.

I guess part of me is glad that everyone is happy he's in the game, but... another part of me is upset that nobody but me seems to care about portraying Ridley as he was always portrayed in his own games (see: enormous). And I swear to god, don't bring up Metroid 1.

Let me guess, you also hate the fact that Olimar isn't the size of an AA battery, hm?
Gosh, this reminds me of an argument I had yesterday.

I just want this to be over. Just one more day and the speculation can finally end....

I feel you.

 

[osby]

I just want this to be over. Just one more day and the speculation can finally end....

Don't worry, we can still speculate about whether Waluigi can be DLC or not.

 

[Vrbtm]

DLC is good for the industry.

Day 1 on the disc DLC? No. Hell no.

Other DLCs though? Yes.

Think of it this way. You buy a house. You buy a car. What do you with that house? That car? You continuously buy things for it to extend the longevity of it.

That is what DLC is for video games when done right. You are taking a product you like/loved enough to buy it initially and extending it with new content to keep it fresh till the new model comes out.

To me, a good enough game doesn't need its lifespan to be artificially extended. I think that's an overrated concept.

I just got done beating the original Legend of Zelda for the 37th some odd time on the Switch's NES service. I've been playing that game for fifteen years, and though it hasn't aged well, I still find it fun to this day. No DLC, no patches.

 

[Jetsurge]

I just want this to be over. Just one more day and the speculation can finally end....

Don't worry as soon as the direct ends Sora, Springman, Rex and Crash will start popping up everywhere.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Yeah sorry, I think Sakurai was completely right. Shrinking him down just to make him playable was a bad idea.

I guess part of me is glad that everyone is happy he's in the game, but... another part of me is upset that nobody but me seems to care about portraying Ridley as he was always portrayed in his own games (see: enormous). And I swear to god, don't bring up Metroid 1.

It all depends on how important you feel his size is to his character. I'm a huge Ridley fan, doesn't matter whether it's Smash related or not, he's my favorite Nintendo character, and I don't feel like his size is an essential part of his character, for me it has no bearing on his role or the impact of his appearances. Kraid is someone who I feel you can't scale down as his size is everything, but I don't feel that way about Ridley. In my opinion Sakurai nailed him in Ultimate, there's such a big focus on how cruel and savage he is, but not mindlessly so, I think it's a fantastic representation of why the character appeals to me.

I'm not saying you're wrong for interpreting the character in your way, everybody is entitled to their opinion, but I'm just trying to give a bit of perspective as to why we Ridley fans think it's okay to scale him down, the core fanbase hasn't used Metroid 1 as an argument in ages.

 

[Wiziliz]

Prediction: DLC will be a season pass this time instead of paying separately for every character

I'm expecting character packs.
Imagine if whenever there was a new wave of characters (say, every four or five months), you could choose to buy individual fighters or the bunch of them. Either way, you get a new side story for Spirits mode, with each wave! That'd be neat, I think.

 

[PLATINUM7]

To me, a good enough game doesn't need its lifespan to be artificially extended. I think that's an overrated concept.

I just got done beating the original Legend of Zelda for the 37th some odd time on the Switch's NES service. I've been playing that game for fifteen years, and though it hasn't aged well, I still find it fun to this day. No DLC, no patches.

Most games that get DLC don't need it either. We get it as an extra.

 

[zeldasmash]

I just hate DLC with a passion. The full roster should not be locked behind a paywall, especially if they're pushing for the game to be more competitive and everything. It's scummy to nickel-and-dime people for a fundamental aspect of the game.

I like Assist Trophies and believe 90% of them deserve to be assist trophies and nothing more. Sakurai has good judgment when it comes to that, with the exception of Waluigi, who has no excuse not to be playable at this point.

Only....the entire roster is NOT locked behind a paywall. DLC is extra content for a game. Characters, especially new ones, take a long time to make and there is money, time and resources that go into making that one character so then charging a little extra makes sense (unless it's an echo in which case they should make it either $1 or flat out free).

I would be mad at DLC if it's 1) On the disc the whole time or 2) Day 1 DLC that is pretty big.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't know about anyone else, but I for one will be glad that this period of Smash speculation will be over. Some of us may have well been driven insane by it.

 

[Buzzwole]

Yeah sorry, I think Sakurai was completely right. Shrinking him down just to make him playable was a bad idea.

I guess part of me is glad that everyone is happy he's in the game, but... another part of me is upset that nobody but me seems to care about portraying Ridley as he was always portrayed in his own games (see: enormous). And I swear to god, don't bring up Metroid 1.

I get what you're saying but other than his size I think they really translated Ridley well. Everything else about him is spot on from his personality to his animations.

Bowser is the character that bothers me the most as far as his portrayal in Smash. I dont know why Sakurai is so insistent on making Bowser into a monster, but I just dont like it. Bowser has such a great personality and none of it is in Smash. Its especially jarring when you have bowser stand next to bowser jr.

 

[osby]

To me, a good enough game doesn't need its lifespan to be artificially extended. I think that's an overrated concept.

I just got done beating the original Legend of Zelda for the 37th some odd time on the Switch's NES service. I've been playing that game for fifteen years, and though it hasn't aged well, I still find it fun to this day. No DLC, no patches.

I still read the books I have ten years ago, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't move beyond ink-and-paper just because of that.

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

I don't know about anyone else, but I for one will be glad that this period of Smash speculation will be over. Some of us may have well been driven insane by it.

*cough* the insiders

 

[ZephyrZ]

What if the Ridley we have in Smash Brothers isn't the real Ridley, but rather Mini-Ridley? There's a Mini-Kraid so I don't see why there couldn't be a Mini-Ridley.

...These are the things I think about when I'm tired.

To me, a good enough game doesn't need its lifespan to be artificially extended. I think that's an overrated concept.

It doesn't need to be artificially extended, but then again, the game doesn't need to exist in the first place. Doesn't mean some of us wouldn't appreciate it. If you don't think it's worth the money, just don't buy the DLC. That's one of the nice things about a free market.

 

[Vrbtm]

Let me guess, you also hate the fact that Olimar isn't the size of an AA battery, hm?

I'm not interested in strict adherence to canonity; my problem is with proportion. Bowser's size constantly shifts from Mario game to Mario game, yes. However, one thing has always remained constant: he is significantly larger than Mario. And in Smash, he is represented as such.

Olimar is supposed to be tiny, sure. But his Pikmin are all proportionally smaller than him, because, well, they are in his own games.

Ridley? Ridley is supposed to be enormous. There's only one game, the original Metroid, where he's not so big, but that game was remade into Zero Mission, where he was scaled up significantly. It's part of his character, and one that should never have been infringed, in my opinion.

 

[Deleted member]

DLC exists now. Weather you like or don't like it, it's a gaming practice now. And if you don't like it, vote with your wallet and don't buy it. Simple as that.

 

[kirbsmash]

....I love Bayonetta. But heck, she's getting nerfed. No need to just hate on her right now.

 

[N3ON]

I just want this to be over. Just one more day and the speculation can finally end....

Ah ha ha ha

You think this is over

Well strap in

We've only just begun

Welcome to the DLC phase

I hope you brought your canteen

Because soon the real droughts begin

 

[Deleted member]

....I love Bayonetta. But heck, she's getting nerfed. No need to just hate on her right now.

People are very good at holding grudges here. Might want to get used to that.

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

Ah ha ha ha

You think this is over

Well strap in

We've only just begun

Welcome to the DLC phase

I hope you brought your canteen

Because now the real droughts begin

Listen if Geno enters the base, this won't bother me at all.

 

[Vrbtm]

Because Smash brothers has a consistent tone? The bright and chipper world of Kirby mixes well with the isolated and dangerous world of Metroid?

The world of Metroid is not merely "isolated and dangerous."

It is Nintendo-brand "isolated and dangerous." It still has a Nintendo feel to it.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Perhaps some of us will think bright and cheerful when it's over. The only problem that I worry about besides the inevitable backlash no matter what's shown is what secrets and such will be in the game that the Direct won't show, and if DLC will be something spectacular or something. And since the Direct is a tad over a month before the game's out, I can still imagine the frustration to happen during that time.

 

[MSmariosonic]

I'm not interested in strict adherence to canonity; my problem is with proportion. Bowser's size constantly shifts from Mario game to Mario game, yes. However, one thing has always remained constant: he is significantly larger than Mario. And in Smash, he is represented as such.

Olimar is supposed to be tiny, sure. But his Pikmin are all proportionally smaller than him, because, well, they are in his own games.

Ridley? Ridley is supposed to be enormous. There's only one game, the original Metroid, where he's not so big, but that game was remade into Zero Mission, where he was scaled up significantly. It's part of his character, and one that should never have been infringed, in my opinion.

Funny you say that since K. Rool is without a doubt clearly twice the size of DK

The biggest reason why Bowser's size shifts from game to game is due to spin-offs

In almost any main Mario game Bowser is clearly far bigger than he is in Smash

If Ridley would've been added in Melee most wouldn't have even thought about him being too big

 

[Vrbtm]

Just like the characters in the base game.

Which is justified, except $59.99 is all I'm willing to pay. It is insulting to expect me to pay more.

 

[PLATINUM7]

I get what you're saying but other than his size I think they really translated Ridley well. Everything else about him is spot on from his personality to his animations.

Bowser is the character that bothers me the most as far as his portrayal in Smash. I dont know why Sakurai is so insistent on making Bowser into a monster, but I just dont like it. Bowser has such a great personality and none of it is in Smash. Its especially jarring when you have bowser stand next to bowser jr.

I think it was the Melee website where Sakurai said he tried making Bowser how he use to appear. He stated something along the lines of "Bowser isn't scary anymore".

Which I guess his Smash appearances are true to how he appeared in early Mario games. SMB, SMB3, SMW, SM64, he's this big hulking intimidating final boss of a monster. Beyond putting him in a kart and having him play sports, he's become this big goofball in the 3D games and even a comic relief character in the RPGs.

You could look at it as antiquated or true to his original character. I feel both views are equally valid just because we'll think of a character's aspects differently.

 

[Mayoman]

So is the Grinch leak still going strong?

 

[osby]

The world of Metroid is not merely "isolated and dangerous."

It is _Nintendo-brand_ "isolated and dangerous." It still has a Nintendo feel to it.

That's very subjective.

Which is justified, except $59.99 is all I'm willing to pay. It is insulting to expect me to pay more.

If it's your limit, that's okay. But some people are willing to pay more for more content and there is nothing insulting about catering to them.

 

[Deleted member]

So apparently Vergeben is saying Isaac is an AT. Well, you had a good run, Verge.

Looks like there's only one person left who we can trust...

 

[Wyoming]

I don't know about anyone else, but I for one will be glad that this period of Smash speculation will be over. Some of us may have well been driven insane by it.

I am hoping we will finally be able to discuss the actual game after Direct reactionary talks.