Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[RodNutTakin]

What addition or change, if anything, would ruin Smash Switch for you? Or at least get you to play an older one instead. Is it something realistic? A mechanic change?

(Removing things doesn't count, only changing or adding.)

I can't really think of much that would kill a Smash game for me at this point, but if they re-added tripping I'd personally be pretty upset..

Or if they did the Mario Kart 8 DX thing and the only way to play 3+ player LAN is to use the single Joycons, of course, that wouldn't kill the game for me, it'd just be really frustrating.

sand undertale joins the brawl i would much rather have papyrus

 

[Baskerville]

What addition or change, if anything, would ruin Smash Switch for you? Or at least get you to play an older one instead. Is it something realistic? A mechanic change?

(Removing things doesn't count, only changing or adding.)

I can't really think of much that would kill a Smash game for me at this point, but if they re-added tripping I'd personally be pretty upset..

Or if they did the Mario Kart 8 DX thing and the only way to play 3+ player LAN is to use the single Joycons, of course, that wouldn't kill the game for me, it'd just be really frustrating.

I'd be pissed if they brought back Rage, but even that wouldn't be enough to ruin Smash Switch for me.

 

[?????????????]

What addition or change, if anything, would ruin Smash Switch for you? Or at least get you to play an older one instead. Is it something realistic? A mechanic change?

(Removing things doesn't count, only changing or adding.)

I can't really think of much that would kill a Smash game for me at this point, but if they re-added tripping I'd personally be pretty upset..

Or if they did the Mario Kart 8 DX thing and the only way to play 3+ player LAN is to use the single Joycons, of course, that wouldn't kill the game for me, it'd just be really frustrating.

I can't think of anything realistic that would ruin it for me.

 

[-crump-]

What addition or change, if anything, would ruin Smash Switch for you? Or at least get you to play an older one instead. Is it something realistic? A mechanic change?

(Removing things doesn't count, only changing or adding.)

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It wouldn’t keep me from buying the game, but I would probably be less enthusiastic about the new Smash if it played like Brawl did. I’m fairly casual (I watch competitive Smash but I don’t go to tournaments), but Brawl is just flat-out not fun to play or watch. Having every character feel like they have invisible parachutes strapped to their back in the air but having rocks tied to their feet on the ground does not make for an enjoyable experience.

On the unrealistic side, if they managed to cut my favorite veterans and add a bunch of characters I hate... Yeah, I’d probably not be all that interested.

 

[BrytonJ]

What addition or change, if anything, would ruin Smash Switch for you? Or at least get you to play an older one instead. Is it something realistic? A mechanic change?

(Removing things doesn't count, only changing or adding.)

I can't really think of much that would kill a Smash game for me at this point, but if they re-added tripping I'd personally be pretty upset..

Or if they did the Mario Kart 8 DX thing and the only way to play 3+ player LAN is to use the single Joycons, of course, that wouldn't kill the game for me, it'd just be really frustrating.

This is probably an unpopular opinion but I don't really have the time to get really heavily involved in learning a complicated game so anything that had melee levels of technical depth would turn me off a bit. Wouldn't be a deal breaker and there seems to be no way that'd even happen considering Sakurai's feelings on the matter. On the other hand I do think Brawl was too far in the other direction and I'd be upset if they brought back tripping and whatever else. I like a balance.

What would actually make me not pick up the game? If the crossovers started reaching outside of video games. Not trying to see Goku or Shrek they both have their own fighting games to be in.

 

[Lyndis_]

I can't think of anything realistic that would ruin it for me.

Pretty much the same here. Even if the gameplay was the same as Brawl, i'd still at least pick it up and play it before eventually returning to 4 & PM.

 

[Phaazoid]

I'm kinda in the middle with this. I don't think it's a port, but I don't think it's a fully new game either. I think it'll build off Smash 4 and add in enough content for it be considered a new game. Can't wait to see more of it hopefully at e3.

Eyy, welcome to smashboards friend.

I'm sorta with you there, but I think I lean a bit towards the 'new game' side, what with Link's design being from BoTW. Honestly though I wouldn't be mad if this were just new content on smash 4's engine.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

I don't blame them if they use the Sm4sh engine. I only hope for some newcomers, Ice Climbers, menu changes, and not Smash Tour.

 

[Lyndis_]

I'd personally like them to use as much as Sm4sh as possible, but overhauling the balance, gameplay mechanics and visuals.

I don't even care if they use most of the same models and textures as long as we get better lighting and a bunch of new costumes for the characters.

Just give me a lot of new content while adjusting and overhauling the old content. No need to make everything again.

New game psuedo-port in the same way Splatoon 2 is sounds perfect to me.

I really don’t expect a lot of news until E3, that and directs giving info here and there.

I don't expect any news until E3 honestly. We might start hearing some small things about a week earlier or a pre-E3 direct specifically dedicated to Smash, but I otherwise expect we'll hear absolutely nothing until then.

 

[Chron]

What addition or change, if anything, would ruin Smash Switch for you? Or at least get you to play an older one instead. Is it something realistic? A mechanic change?

(Removing things doesn't count, only changing or adding.)

I can't really think of much that would kill a Smash game for me at this point, but if they re-added tripping I'd personally be pretty upset..

Or if they did the Mario Kart 8 DX thing and the only way to play 3+ player LAN is to use the single Joycons. Of course, that wouldn't kill the game for me, it'd just be really frustrating.

I want it to be as NEW as possible.
I don't think anything is going to keep me from buying the game, even if it's just for the new characters.
There are, however, some features I desperately want changed. Number one on my list is the return of Direction Air Dodging, or at least the removal of multiple air dodges. After that is: no more Rage, no i-frames on counters, ledge hogging, L-Cancelling, and more techskill in general, also Tripping needs to never return.

The one thing that will keep me from buying, is if it is somehow a port/extremely similar to Smash 4.

 

[Blackwolf666]

Who would y'all say are the five most requested characters this time?

hmm Inkling already got in so I'll exclude that one from the list.

1. Rex + Pyra
2. Springman
3. Bandana Dee
4. Waluigi
5. Daisy

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

I'd replace Daisy and BWD with Ridley and K. Rool.

 

[Cosmic77]

Would you rather get more characters for pre-existing franchises (Mario, Pokémon, etc.), or get more characters who represent new franchises (Splatoon, ARMS, etc.)?

Normally, I'd like a balance of both, but if I had to choose, I'd pick the former. There's a ton of cool franchises that aren't in Smash yet, but most of them can't compete with what we already have. Plus, Sakurai neglected to give a lot of big franchises a newcomer in Smash 4. I think those franchises should get someone new added this time.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Would you rather get more characters for pre-existing franchises (Mario, Pokémon, etc.), or get more characters who represent new franchises (Splatoon, ARMS, etc.)?

Normally, I'd like a balance of both, but if I had to choose, I'd pick the former. There's a ton of cool franchises that aren't in Smash yet, but most of them can't compete with what we already have. Plus, Sakurai neglected to give a lot of big franchises a newcomer in Smash 4. I think those franchises should get someone new added this time.

New franchises. We need more of that. Wii Fit was a wonderful start!

 

[Malkior7]

Nindie showcase is starting in 5 minutes for those who are interested

https://www.twitch.tv/nintendo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZYQmrdaW8g

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Can't think of anything that would stop me from buying the game, although there are certainly things I hope for.

Beyond new characters/stages/music, one of my big hopes would be a new story mode. SSE, even with its faults, was such a neat idea, with all of the cutscenes and cool character interactions. Even if not a direct sequel, I hope there's something like that.

 

[Jubileus57]

Would you rather get more characters for pre-existing franchises (Mario, Pokémon, etc.), or get more characters who represent new franchises (Splatoon, ARMS, etc.)?

Normally, I'd like a balance of both, but if I had to choose, I'd pick the former. There's a ton of cool franchises that aren't in Smash yet, but most of them can't compete with what we already have. Plus, Sakurai neglected to give a lot of big franchises a newcomer in Smash 4. I think those franchises should get someone new added this time.

I'm with you on that one. There aren't that many unrepresented franchises that I do care about enough to warrant Smash hype imo. Besides several franchises really deserve newcomers (Zelda and Kirby are the one that strike me the most).

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Get your hopes down. There will be no Smash news.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Would you rather get more characters for pre-existing franchises (Mario, Pokémon, etc.), or get more characters who represent new franchises (Splatoon, ARMS, etc.)?

Normally, I'd like a balance of both, but if I had to choose, I'd pick the former. There's a ton of cool franchises that aren't in Smash yet, but most of them can't compete with what we already have. Plus, Sakurai neglected to give a lot of big franchises a newcomer in Smash 4. I think those franchises should get someone new added this time.

Former, if only because I don't have a personal attachment to franchises that fall in the latter category barring third parties.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

It has to be said, I'm not a big fan of many Indie Games. The only one I've ever really enjoyed for more than an hour or two was Shovel Knight, and maybe Ori and the Blind Forest. If we do wind up getting an Indie character in Smash, I'm really hoping its Shovel Knight. That being said, I don't particularly want and indie character at all if possible.

 

[mario123007]

Can we drop the Xenoblade 2 character design discussion? Every single time that gets brought up, it opens up a can of worms given how polarizing it is.

It's already dropped due to not only being polarized but also end up being off topic...

If you want it to stop, then just ignored it lol.

hmm Inkling already got in so I'll exclude that one from the list.

1. Rex + Pyra
2. Springman
3. Bandana Dee
4. Waluigi
5. Daisy

I would put Bandan Dee to Number 2 and replace Springman as Minmin...

 

[Opossum]

Would you rather get more characters for pre-existing franchises (Mario, Pokémon, etc.), or get more characters who represent new franchises (Splatoon, ARMS, etc.)?

Normally, I'd like a balance of both, but if I had to choose, I'd pick the former. There's a ton of cool franchises that aren't in Smash yet, but most of them can't compete with what we already have. Plus, Sakurai neglected to give a lot of big franchises a newcomer in Smash 4. I think those franchises should get someone new added this time.

The former. Barring third parties, the characters from unrepresented Nintendo franchises that I want (Starfy, Henry Fleming, Muddy Mole) are all pretty much no-hopers, while there are several characters I'd want from, say, Fire Emblem, Super Mario, or Pokémon.

 

[Megadoomer]

I found the Nindies showcase to be disappointing. None of the games seemed interesting, aside from the Messenger, which would be really frustrating if it's anything like the games that it's clearly inspired by.

 

[mario123007]

The former. Barring third parties, the characters from unrepresented Nintendo franchises that I want (Starfy, Henry Fleming, Muddy Mole) are all pretty much no-hopers, while there are several characters I'd want from, say, Fire Emblem, Super Mario, or Pokémon.

I think franchises like those are actually ones I think there shouldn't be more new characters... those franchise already have one of the most characters in Smash 4 roster... don't get wrong I do want at least one new Pokemon and FE character... but I think LoZ and probably other smaller Nintendo franchise to get characters. Also don't forget the third parties.

I found the Nindies showcase to be disappointing. None of the games seemed interesting, aside from the Messenger, which would be really frustrating if it's anything like the games that it's clearly inspired by.

Yeah, it was pretty short...
That Bomb Chicken looks fun though.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Would you rather get more characters for pre-existing franchises (Mario, Pokémon, etc.), or get more characters who represent new franchises (Splatoon, ARMS, etc.)?

Normally, I'd like a balance of both, but if I had to choose, I'd pick the former. There's a ton of cool franchises that aren't in Smash yet, but most of them can't compete with what we already have. Plus, Sakurai neglected to give a lot of big franchises a newcomer in Smash 4. I think those franchises should get someone new added this time.

I think I'm in a weird spot where I want characters who don't fit either category, like Chibi Robo, Custom Robo, and Harvest Moon. Those franchises aren't new, but they aren't pre-existing either... Basically all my wants fit that middle ground category except Bewear and Mipha.

Now if I had to choose, I'd say i wanted more of the pre-existing franchise characters, like new Pokemon and a Zelda character like Mipha or Midna, not to mention I want another Star Fox character on top of Wolf returning, like Peppy.

 

[Cosmic77]

I found the Nindies showcase to be disappointing. None of the games seemed interesting, aside from the Messenger, which would be really frustrating if it's anything like the games that it's clearly inspired by.

I was disappointed because they didn't even bring up Smash once.

But seriously, it was "meh" at best. A little bothered that the three Shovel Knight amiibo STILL weren't brought up. I've had those things on preorder since last fall.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I found the Nindies showcase to be disappointing. None of the games seemed interesting, aside from the Messenger, which would be really frustrating if it's anything like the games that it's clearly inspired by.

Only two games that really interested me were The Messenger and West of Loathing, but yeah, wasn't all that exciting. Suppose it's good for people who are fans of indie games though.

Spoiler

tfw West of Loathing is better than any Paper Mario game released by "Intelligent" Systems in recent years.

EDIT: for those interested TinyBuild is doing their own showcase in a few minutes. They plan on revealing a "super secret Switch reveal" as well as releasing Hello Neighbor and Clustertruck on Switch, among other things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1J_hl0rP-k&feature=youtu.be

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

I want the bomb chicken for Smash.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I want the bomb chicken for Smash.

Add a character to Smash that uses all the Nitrome characters. I'd be down for that character, i used to play Nitrome games all the time.

 

[Senselessbreak]

I found the Nindies showcase to be disappointing. None of the games seemed interesting, aside from the Messenger, which would be really frustrating if it's anything like the games that it's clearly inspired by.

You have yourself to blame for getting excited over indies.

 

[Staarih]

You have yourself to blame for getting excited over indies.

It's perfectly fine to get excited about indie games tho.

That said, it was a bit of the shorter side and nothing of personal interest. Not sure if a four day notice was really needed for that lol.

 

[BrytonJ]

I think it would've been pretty unfair to the indie studios to overshadow them with a Smash Bros. related thing. This is their chance to show what they have to offer.

That said I would've liked to see a release date on King of Cards as well as the Shovel Knight amiibos I've had preordered for a while now.

 

[Lyndis_]

I found the Nindies showcase to be disappointing. None of the games seemed interesting, aside from the Messenger, which would be really frustrating if it's anything like the games that it's clearly inspired by.

Agreed. All of these games are either uninteresting to me or ancient. I was hoping for some info on games like Wargroove, King Knight, Stardew Valley's Multiplayer, etc;

Even stuff I figured were a shoe-in like a Terraria port I suppose just wasn't happening.

I want the bomb chicken for Smash.

"If Konami won't let us have Bomberman, we'll just make our own!"

 

[DraginHikari]

There was never a chance that they were going to talk about Smash in something like that. It would completely defeat the point of it and completely draw attention away from what it is suppose to be about.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Well any minor hopes of a "Shovel Knight in Smash" reveal or something like that has been dashed.

Even outside of that unrealistic hope, it was kinda disappointing. Banner Saga's cool but I don't think it's final news point-worthy.

Well, we can always wait for E3.

 

[Lyndis_]

Well any minor hopes of a "Shovel Knight in Smash" reveal or somethign liek that has been dashed.

I don't see how at all.

Even if a bunch of indie characters suddenly got into Smash Switch we wouldn't even be seeing it mentioned at this showcase.

 

[Senselessbreak]

It's perfectly fine to get excited about indie games tho.

That said, it was a bit of the shorter side and nothing of personal interest. Not sure if a four day notice was really needed for that lol.

Getting excited for an indie showcase is like going to a grade school talent show and expecting a Vegas quality production level. I mean every once in a while you will go "hey" that kid can go somewhere someday. But most of the time its a wannabe imitation.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Getting excited for an indie showcase is like going to a grade school talent show and expecting a Vegas quality production level. I mean every once in a while you will go "hey" that kid can go somewhere someday. But most of the time its a wannabe imitation.

You must be great at parties. There's plenty of great, critically acclaimed indie games out there. I don't usually enjoy them myself, but there's a ton of people who do. Why is it so wrong to you for someone to hope to see a game like that in this showcase?

 

[Fenriraga]

Nintendo: "We're going to have an Indie Showcase!"

*Literally showcases indies*

Fans: WHY DID YOU JUST SHOWCASE INDIE GAMES

 

[pupNapoleon]

My main issue with that is the Gen 1 Pokemon in the game are Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Charizard, and Mewtwo, all of which are either veterans from 64 or hugely iconic. There's not really much to be done about Gen 1 in Smash as a result.

If these Pokemon are simply "Gen 1 Pokemon," then Mario is JUST from Super Mario Bros.

This argument is ludicrous.